[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Chris, I'll wont go on after this but will just repeat that the only historical evidence (from me- see earlier) on reentrant theorbo sizes in A or G is for large instruments. If you have anything like the Praetorius, Mace, Picinni, Talbot evidence on large theorbos but clearly relating to

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
(Sorry David for sending this to your private mailbox. I don't master yet all the subtleties of replying to the list when I get messages from such or such person ) Thanks David. That's a clear statement, full of good sense and and I totally concur. My not so small theorbo, which I use for

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread LGS-Europe
Martyn wrote: If you have anything like the Praetorius, Mace, Picinni, Talbot evidence on large theorbos but clearly relating to smalI instruments in this tuning, I'd like to see it please. So far we have seen evidence of reentrant tuning for large theorbos, thank you for the references.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Edward Martin
God question, Anthony. In absence of any evidence anywhere of making thumb picks for lutes,, I would highly doubt that this was done. ed At 08:46 AM 2/8/2008 +0100, Anthony Hind wrote: Ed I am still surprised that the long nails succeeded in marking through the strings. Does anyone

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Jean-Marie, There's quite a history to this discussion, both recently and some months ago and you may care to look in the archives for the long and, I'm afraid, rather tedious and repetitive thread. Basically the historical case (evidence for your 'burden of proof') for saying

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dalla Casa, mid 18thC seems to use something like this MH Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaroslaw Well that could be the explanation then, medium length nails, and perhaps the string length meant the use of quite low tesnion strings. Although Rob does say that somewhere on Van

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thanks Ron. I think I've got everything under control now ;-) Best, Jean-Marie (F) Expéditeur original:Ron Fletcher Adresse expéditeur original: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jean-Marie, 1) To make a private reply to an individual, click 'Reply'. It is important to check that their e-mail

[LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear All Thanks to David Van Edwards, I think I found the picture mentioned by Rob. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg20273.html I am not sure of the significance for our question here. Although if these are artificial nails, it would not be impossible, that

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
David, As promised - here it is again! Incidentally, if you look at the earlier messages you'll see that I do, of course, agree that solo music may well have sometimes/often(?) been played on small double reentrant theorbos. My focus however has been principally on the instruments

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
David, I'm afraid I thought Jean-Marie was the author of this email so I replied to him! It will come to the main list but I will also forward it to you - I hope it is helpful, especially on single reentrant being the usual for small theorbos if you can get away with it (ie the second

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thank you very much Martyn for these precisions. Actually, I think I am going to experiment with my smaller theorbo with a single reentrant first string. I will play continuo in some Locke music soon. It could be a good opportunity to try that ! Best, Jean-Marie Expéditeur original:

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Diego Cantalupi
From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] In short, if you can you should just detune the first course and only detune the next if the second string is likely to break. So why making a double reentrant tuning on a tiorbino? Diego To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Ronn McFarlane's INDIGO ROAD now available on iTunes

2008-02-08 Thread Suzanne Konefal
Hello Friends, Just to let you know that Ronn's newest release INDIGO ROAD is available for download from iTunes as well as many other digital platforms. Please direct your tech-savvy friends there to find this recording! cheers Suzanne Konefal Director of Marketing and Business

[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear David, Thanks - that's a very perceptive comment which I have taken to heart, despite the fact that the majority opinion seems to be in favour of reverb. Perhaps we are so used to hearing commercial CDs with compression, added reverb, etc, that we expect everything to sound like that.

[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread LGS-Europe
Martin I liked the ones without reverb, by far. The reverb sounds like you're in a big room but play behind a screen: all muffled and shy, not at all like the room acoustics would invite you to play! Just my two eurocents (which many shops already don't accept anymore, anyway). David

[LUTE] piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear All, I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my recordings page and let me know which you prefer: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html

[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
Is it possible that the Spanish Pavan actually is a spanish vihuela piece? Are Dear All, I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my recordings page and let me know which you prefer:

[LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Anthony, From the detail David send us(the big close up) I could say Pellegrini had very long nails on all fingers. They don't look like artificial ones unless they had Superglue at that time (which is rather improbable :-)) This could explain scratches in a simplest possible way. Have you

[LUTE] Re: Tarantella - ground, melody or rhytm?

2008-02-08 Thread Monica Hall
It has a melody as well as a ground and rhythm, and even lyrics in some sources. These do vary. There is quite a bit about it in Maurices Esses book Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain during the 17th and early 18th centuries. Including one version of the tune. There must be

[LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Anthony, Many years ago when I was at the stage of transformation from guitar to lute playing I tried playing my lute with normal (medium length) finger nails (influenced by Picinnini's remarks). The result showed up very quickly - the fingerboard was covered with small marks in the place where

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind
Jaroslaw Well that could be the explanation then, medium length nails, and perhaps the string length meant the use of quite low tesnion strings. Although Rob does say that somewhere on Van Edwards site there is mention (or a painting) of a thumb or finger attachment for playing theorbo.

[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread Rob Lute
Hi Martin, I personally prefer a bit of reverb, but admit it is a difficult thing to get right without spending thousands on a professional system. I think your recordings with reverb sound better - better separation, and more of the instrument's resonance comes through. Nice playing, again.

[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread Edward Martin
Highly doubtful, on many accounts. For the vast majority of pieces, the vihuela had fantasias, tientos, intabulations, Canciones. Not dances (although, there are 1 or 2 dances). Besides, the melody to me sounds very, very English/Elizabethan. ed At 08:00 PM 2/8/2008 +0100, Are Vidar Boye

[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Are, I'm not sure about the origins of the Spanish Pavan - I know there is an article by Diana Poulton in the LSJ 1961 but have not had time to look it up. It seems almost like a ground bass, rather than a tune, but as with so many other pieces, it is hard to draw a line between the

[LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Edward Martin
Yes, this is how it appears to be. In examining the top, it showed all signs of nail usage. I have never, ever encountered evidence to show that some sort of finger pick was used for the baroque lute. Nails were used by some, and nails are what made these marks. Keep in mind, that in this

[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived

2008-02-08 Thread Lute
Dear Martin, a couple of years ago a harpsichord player mentioned to me that the Elizabethan name for the piece we are talking about - The Spanish Pavan came from it being introduced to English musicians by Antonio Cabezón when he visited England in 1554-1555. He published the piece in one of his

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: lute body...

2008-02-08 Thread demery
On Tue, Feb 5, 2008, Duncan Midwinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 06:37 + 5/2/08, Duncan Midwinter wrote: Is there a method for drawing the teardrop shape of a lute soundboard using circles? I've been messing around in Adobe Illustrator drawing different sized circles and can almost get