Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 06:39:27PM +0100, mn wrote: > On 12.01.17 03:23, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > No, I did not. > I thought that this was already handled in the recent thread about "LyX > 2.2 slowness" in general. > If is indeed not a duplicate I will add a ticket. I don't actually know. I

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 12.01.17 03:23, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 06:24:19PM +0100, mn wrote: >> On 04.12.16 17:58, Scott Kostyshak wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 05:38:14PM +0100, mn wrote: >>> Something like an MWE is attached. Here, it triggers slowness on loading the file into

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 06:24:19PM +0100, mn wrote: > On 04.12.16 17:58, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 05:38:14PM +0100, mn wrote: > > > >> Something like an MWE is attached. > >> Here, it triggers slowness on loading the file into a fresh LyX session. > > > I cannot

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 09/12/2016 à 16:04, mn a écrit : Right now I guess there were several reasons we arrived at the current situation. Either very good or congruent reasons or just by chance. But I also guess that no-one has tested or adjusted all the color options: -- for people with (color-)vision

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 09.12.16 13:25, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 09/12/2016 à 12:59, mn a écrit : >> This setting dwells under a different Settings group named Look? >> There I can only change the color of this solid line, not its thickness >> or position. >> And in my eyes the line itself is the problem, not

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 09/12/2016 à 12:59, mn a écrit : This setting dwells under a different Settings group named Look? There I can only change the color of this solid line, not its thickness or position. And in my eyes the line itself is the problem, not its color. I understand your arguments, but this is all

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 08.12.16 16:31, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 08/12/2016 à 16:21, mn a écrit : >> Try to select what comes after the first colon (to the left) up until >> the second colon in the second line. Or in other words: what is just >> between those two. >> The selection will jump to the beginning of

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 08.12.16 16:27, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 08/12/2016 à 16:20, mn a écrit : >> Yes. But this means I loose the ability to immediately see whether or >> not this part was correctly assigned to a given language. >> I think there might be a better solution than to disable _a_ marking >>

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 08/12/2016 à 16:21, mn a écrit : Try to select what comes after the first colon (to the left) up until the second colon in the second line. Or in other words: what is just between those two. The selection will jump to the beginning of the first line (far right). This was not intended. If I

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 08/12/2016 à 16:20, mn a écrit : Yes. But this means I loose the ability to immediately see whether or not this part was correctly assigned to a given language. I think there might be a better solution than to disable _a_ marking completely. A grey bar in the background? You can freely

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 08/12/2016 à 16:20, mn a écrit : Yes. But this means I loose the ability to immediately see whether or not this part was correctly assigned to a given language. I think there might be a better solution than to disable _a_ marking completely. A grey bar in the background? You can freely

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 08.12.16 15:45, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 08/12/2016 à 12:55, mn a écrit : >> Hm, I wonder if this is also effecting selecting rtl-text with the mouse. >> Right now it drives me crazy how it behaves once the text is marked as >> containig Hebrew and spans more than one row in the editor

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 08.12.16 15:41, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 08/12/2016 à 15:23, mn a écrit : >> That means: default document language is, say, English and then Hebrew >> is added in afterwards. >> Apart from the slight annoyance mentioned above it becomes very hard to >> actually type something with

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 08/12/2016 à 12:55, mn a écrit : Hm, I wonder if this is also effecting selecting rtl-text with the mouse. Right now it drives me crazy how it behaves once the text is marked as containig Hebrew and spans more than one row in the editor display. Cursor mode visual and logical seem to be in

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 08/12/2016 à 15:41, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : On a side note: I would also appreciate something to quickly change the editor's zoom level. Is there a short-cut or can I define one? Ctrl+/Ctrl- or Ctrl with mouse wheel. Sorry, you are a mac user. Use Command instead of Ctrl. JMarc

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Le 08/12/2016 à 15:23, mn a écrit : That means: default document language is, say, English and then Hebrew is added in afterwards. Apart from the slight annoyance mentioned above it becomes very hard to actually type something with nikuds, since the "foreign-language-underline" (sorry, I do not

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 07.12.16 23:53, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 10:35:06PM +0100, Cor Blom wrote: >> Op 03-12-16 om 22:51 schreef Scott Kostyshak: The other thing is that on screen, when I type a rtl text in a ltr documents, I have to mark that word as e.g. Hebrew before the sequence

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 10:35:06PM +0100, Cor Blom wrote: > Op 03-12-16 om 22:51 schreef Scott Kostyshak: > > > The other thing is that on screen, when I type a rtl text in a ltr > > > documents, I have to mark that word as e.g. Hebrew before the sequence is > > > right. I would be nice to have

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Op 03-12-16 om 22:51 schreef Scott Kostyshak: The other thing is that on screen, when I type a rtl text in a ltr documents, I have to mark that word as e.g. Hebrew before the sequence is right. I would be nice to have that done automatically. Xetex does it right, even if it is not marked as rtl.

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 10:04:10PM +0200, Guy Rutenberg wrote: > XeTeX is by far the best option today to typeset Hebrew and LyX should > default to it. Culmus-latex and ivritex (the old ways to get Hebrew > working) are no longer actively maintained as they are inferior in almost > any sense. >

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Hi, On 3 December 2016 at 23:51, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > > > If I may offer some suggestions... I am not a programmer who can > implement > > this, but I use Hebrew in LyX quite often, including ancient Hebrew with > > everything on it. Xetex is the only one, in my

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 04.12.16 17:58, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 05:38:14PM +0100, mn wrote: > >> Something like an MWE is attached. >> Here, it triggers slowness on loading the file into a fresh LyX session. > I cannot reproduce with just your example. But if I select all and then > paste 10

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 05:38:14PM +0100, mn wrote: > Something like an MWE is attached. > Here, it triggers slowness on loading the file into a fresh LyX session. Thanks for your persistence and this example! I cannot reproduce with just your example. But if I select all and then paste 10

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 04.12.16 02:50, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 10:26:17PM +0100, mn wrote: >> On 03.12.16 21:43, Scott Kostyshak wrote: >> BTW: Until now I only had simple and short strings entered myself into an otherwise empty document. Copying this rather complex but

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Op 03-12-16 om 23:03 schreef Cor Blom: Op 03-12-16 om 22:51 schreef Scott Kostyshak: The fonts are the issue, both screenfonts and document fonts. Lyx allows for both to set only one font and many fonts do not support rtl languages properly. I think what LibreOffice does (and I think Ms Office

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 03.12.16 22:51, Scott Kostyshak wrote: >> The fonts are the issue, both screenfonts and document fonts. Lyx allows for >> both to set only one font and many fonts do not support rtl languages >> properly. I think what LibreOffice does (and I think Ms Office does the >> same) is a way to go:

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Op 03-12-16 om 22:51 schreef Scott Kostyshak: The fonts are the issue, both screenfonts and document fonts. Lyx allows for both to set only one font and many fonts do not support rtl languages properly. I think what LibreOffice does (and I think Ms Office does the same) is a way to go: add a

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Op 03-12-16 om 22:24 schreef mn: Where can the polyglossia option be set? This is not obvious to me. Under doc-settings>language>language package>custom = polyglossia ? Yes, I have to admit: this is not obvious. The setting "automatic" works for me, it give me polyglossia (although it is not

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 10:24:54PM +0100, mn wrote: > > \newfontfamily\hebrewfont[Script=Hebrew]{SBL Hebrew} > > > > For each script a separate font can be set. Options like "Scale" > > automatically scales the font so that it fits with the rest. > > That sounds brilliant. Depending on your

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 03.12.16 21:49, Cor Blom wrote: > Op 03-12-16 om 20:57 schreef mn: >> This font-switcheroo must go into the preamble, I am guessing now since >> I am new to Xetex also. >> But apparently this is not possible within LyX's gui? > > No, it is not. You need polyglossia for that (which can be set

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Op 03-12-16 om 21:43 schreef Scott Kostyshak: Mike, I'm CC'ing a few people who have LyX + Hebrew knowledge. Perhaps one of them is interested in joining this conversation about how we can improve LyX to make it easier for users of Hebrew. If I may offer some suggestions... I am not a

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Op 03-12-16 om 22:06 schreef Scott Kostyshak: On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 09:49:09PM +0100, Cor Blom wrote: Op 03-12-16 om 20:57 schreef mn: This font-switcheroo must go into the preamble, I am guessing now since I am new to Xetex also. But apparently this is not possible within LyX's gui? No,

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 09:49:09PM +0100, Cor Blom wrote: > Op 03-12-16 om 20:57 schreef mn: > > This font-switcheroo must go into the preamble, I am guessing now since > > I am new to Xetex also. > > But apparently this is not possible within LyX's gui? > > No, it is not. You need polyglossia

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

Op 03-12-16 om 20:57 schreef mn: This font-switcheroo must go into the preamble, I am guessing now since I am new to Xetex also. But apparently this is not possible within LyX's gui? No, it is not. You need polyglossia for that (which can be set in Lyx gui) and something like this in the

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 08:57:14PM +0100, mn wrote: > On 03.12.16 18:49, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Mike, I'm CC'ing a few people who have LyX + Hebrew knowledge. Perhaps one of them is interested in joining this conversation about how we can improve LyX to make it easier for users of Hebrew. If they

Re: LyX and (ancient) Hebrew

On 03.12.16 18:49, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 04:42:57PM +0100, mn wrote: >> So I wanted to get started with ancient Hebrew texts. >> Using Texlive-full, LyX and my usual setup I ran immediately into >> problems, quite severe. >> Searched tutorials for doing such a thing and