Re: [www.openbsd.org] faster machines and scareware

2012-07-28 Thread Peter Laufenberg
btw, I hope no one minds if I plug OpenBSD's website in the subject. this is a method of trying to get the site back up to better rankings in google. AFAIK, and few _really_ know, Google rankings use an acyclic graph with cumulative credibility weights. Say a NY Times article points to a web

Re: Calomel.org sucks ass

2012-07-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On 07/26/12 03:04, Peter Laufenberg wrote: Everytime you follow a non official documentation, you waste your time and the developer's time, we're not cranky about calomel only, we're cranky about people following unofficial documentation, remember, our FAQ and manpages are accurate 99.99

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:24:31PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody'ss here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work or you aren't. Who the fuck do you think you are to use that tone? The royal

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Ted Unangst [t...@tedunangst.com] wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote: /reference/, they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are really are no FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install instructions crucially leaving out 5 1/4 and 8

Re: USB not working after resume

2012-07-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Yes, I didn't attach dmesg or usbdevs because I thought it was a known issue. Well, my T410 has USB 3.0 ports, but before suspend everything works: mouse, pendrives, SD card reader, usb 3G modem, etc. After resume there's no power in any usb port. USB 3.0 interface are capable of supplying much

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Calomel is ranked 2 on google because it has been linked several hundred times from this list. Google doesn't know about good/bad opinions or flamewars. Google only cares about the reputation of the origin of the link. I don't think that's true; google link:calomel.org -site:calomel.org to find

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd, especially the sysctl tuning stuff. Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques. Maybe there needs to be a calomel faq on openbsd.org. Here's a better

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot down: openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question answered on misc has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards and trolls would think

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Everytime you follow a non official documentation, you waste your time and the developer's time, we're not cranky about calomel only, we're cranky about people following unofficial documentation, remember, our FAQ and manpages are accurate 99.99% of the time and they are pretty well written and

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On 07/26/12 03:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote: Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd, especially the sysctl tuning stuff. Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques. Maybe there needs

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Laufenberg
The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!! Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come. Other way around. I got better things to do than start a project obsd

Re: Calomel.org

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Laufenberg
That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody'ss here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work or you aren't. Who the fuck do you think you are to use that tone? The royal we? Are those mutual favors a currency I can trade for a cash? Will the

minimal radio streamer on Alix LX800 gateway?

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I want to set up a minimal mp3 Internet radio streamer directly on my Alix Geode 500 MHz gateway. The idea is to grab the data closest to my PPPoE ADSL modem so it doesn't travel through the rest of the LAN and pollute logs, assuming the decoder daemon is secure and not too demanding on the

Re: minimal radio streamer on Alix LX800 gateway?

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I want to set up a minimal mp3 Internet radio streamer directly on my PPPoE ADSL modem so it doesn't travel through the rest of the LAN and pollute logs, I don't understand that rationale. For Internet radio to feel as if I was listening to FM

Re: minimal radio streamer on Alix LX800 gateway?

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Jul 23 11:00:19, Peter Laufenberg wrote: I want to set up a minimal mp3 Internet radio streamer directly on my Alix Geode 500 MHz gateway. The idea is to grab the data closest to my PPPoE ADSL modem so it doesn't travel through the rest of the LAN and pollute logs, assuming the decoder

Re: minimal radio streamer on Alix LX800 gateway?

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 07:06:21PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I want to set up a minimal mp3 Internet radio streamer directly on my PPPoE ADSL modem so it doesn't travel through the rest of the LAN and pollute logs, I don't understand

Re: minimal radio streamer on Alix LX800 gateway?

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: Ok I'm looking at madplay since most other players seem to depend on madlib anyway. madplay doesn't support streaming or interactive controls. The madlib-based mpg321 does, and eats about twice as much CPU as mpg123 on the Geode LX800

Re: minimal radio streamer on Alix LX800 gateway?

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: That looks like the most difficult part, because offhand I have no idea how to interface those input devices with a tty. The point is not to need tty or network client/server messaging. I query a USB device directly, never leaves the Geode

Re: vesafb and vesabios

2012-07-21 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Enabling either option VESAFB or the vesabios device without the other results in i386 kernel build failure. This patch works around the problem by removing #ifdef VESAFB in favor of NVESABIOS 0. Feedback welcome, especially if consensus is that I'm wasting my time on this class of error

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Speeding up scp over 10GigE, suggestions?

2012-07-19 Thread Peter Laufenberg
My yahoo account separates out the many list mails. I sometimes feel a Th problem is not yahoo but all such services. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail, @wp.pl etc... are all here to control people. nothing else. You should avoid every large corporation touching your private data. But... they're free :)

Re: Fuloong: how to boot single user mode from pmon?

2012-07-17 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:00:12AM +, John Long wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:10:33PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 09:09:54AM +, John Long wrote: I see now that you are using a

Re: Fuloong: how to boot single user mode from pmon?

2012-07-17 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 05:00:06PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:00:12AM +, John Long wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:10:33PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 09:09

Re: amd unmounting

2012-07-17 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Can anyone help with a little amd problem? I have some partitions on SSD and some on HD and would like to use amd(8) so that the HD filesystems are only mounted on-demand, reducing fsck time in a crash. I've got them mounting OK... $ cat /etc/amd/master -c 60 -x all -l syslog /a bamboo.map $

Re: Fuloong: how to boot single user mode from pmon?

2012-07-17 Thread Peter Laufenberg
how can loongson 3 be (roughly) compared to x86 CPUs in performance? It's slower. A hell lot slower. 3A systems are running at around 1GHz. The x86 code translation stuff was benchmark-only and, to the best of my knowledge, has never been made public (with full source code and acceptable

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-07-04 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On 2012-06-27 19:25, Peter Laufenberg wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: that would be cool

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-29 Thread Peter Laufenberg
what kind of shit are we talking about here? Scheisster baby eat my caviar turds or sinewy shrimp intestines you have to swallow wholesale lest being called a fag? Don't leave this up for interpretation or commentators unaware of Tourette syndrome tax deductions will /again/ quote out of

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-28 Thread Peter Laufenberg
If you guys are serious about anything, go look at ports-readmes. It does extract information from the ports tree, and creates readmes for all ports. Currently, it's a static port. It could very well be a dynamic application. You can experiment with css, you can experiment with nginx.

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind if OpenBSD's website were updated. Just no one has volunteered yet to do the dirty work of actually coming up with a functional design and then updating the HTML. Talk is cheap. I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: that would be cool to presence as a bystander No te entiendo tío! pay

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
TLDR: It's not your place to tell others what they like. Am I? It's not about one individual likes, it's about whether your messages reaches a majority of your audience. Most of the filtering is subconscious and immune to fashion btw. On 28 June 2012 07:59, Peter Laufenberg open

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
and tapes in the docs are spot on. Seriously. -- p On 06/27/12 17:58, Peter Laufenberg wrote: Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind if OpenBSD's website were updated. Just no one has volunteered yet to do the dirty work of actually coming up with a functional design and then updating the HTML

Re: OpenBSD's webpage design

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind if OpenBSD's website were updated. Just no one has volunteered yet to do the dirty work of actually coming up with a functional design and then updating the HTML. Talk is cheap. I'm willing

Re: OpenBSD's webpage design

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg [open...@laufenberg.ch] wrote: Richard's not a web designer; he's a graphic designer. He put his portfolio on blogspot after I commented that downloading a single, enormous PDF kindof sucked, and I didn't know of a CMS that didn't suck. It should go without saying (after

Re: OpenBSD's webpage desing

2012-06-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg [open...@laufenberg.ch] wrote: I'm willing to indirectly donate to OpenBSD by paying a professional graphic designer to redo parts of OpenBSD's visual design. His portfolio: www.flexstudio.ch Richard is a very good friend but still your typical starving artist

Re: OpenBSD as IPv4+6 gateway

2012-06-22 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On 6/21/12 7:52 PM, Mark Felder wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:39:24 -0500, Rod Whitworth glis...@witworx.com wrote: It is not a school of thought - it is how it is. I have seen one /126 out in the wild but it is very lonely. I work at an ISP/datacenter. We use /126s for the link net.

Re: ASUS E35M1-M PRO Fusion AMD E-350 APU

2012-06-22 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I used a brand new ASUS motherboard I referred to in the subject with the AMD Fusion APU and associated chipset(s) with OpenBSD 5.1 i386. This ran well for a few days but ultimately dropped to ddb repeatedly when i copied several gigabyte of files from one SATA disk to a softraid mirror of two

Re: Hardware/System Question

2012-06-22 Thread Peter Laufenberg
  I'm looking for a small system that I can run ftp, web, personal mail and maybe a build enviroment.  I say small system only due to space requirements.  A normal desktop computer or small would work well.  This is one that I was looking at but not sure if it would be i386 since it is an embedded

Re: OpenBSD forked

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Jay Patel rockworl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all users, I am users too.  Thanks cody. I am learning C too. from C primus plus any thoughts from devs. which we should read? Udacity.com had a good python class. Intro, from zero background, to writing a

Re: OpenBSD forked

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Jay Patel rockworl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all users, I am users too.  Thanks cody. I am learning C too. from C primus plus any thoughts from devs. which we should read? Udacity.com had a good python class. Intro, from zero background, to writing a

Re: OpenBSD forked

2012-06-18 Thread Peter Laufenberg
speaking of stuck CAPSLOCK, anyone else having DEL/INS problems on US keyboards w/ Euro key on 5? They're cheapo USB Dell manufactured by Logitech. Tweaking wscons flags didn't help (not running X11); should I remap keys individually? -- p NO. GPL IS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE TO TRUE FREE SOFTWARE.

Re: OpenBSD forked

2012-06-18 Thread Peter Laufenberg
geez, it's a /segway/ -- p Dont steal the thread. On Jun 18, 2012 9:55 AM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: speaking of stuck CAPSLOCK, anyone else having DEL/INS problems on US keyboards w/ Euro key on 5? They're cheapo USB Dell manufactured by Logitech. Tweaking wscons flags

Re: OpenBSD forked

2012-06-17 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Funny thing is, I've never been upset about the 20+ OpenBSD and ex-OpenBSD developers who now work for google. Do they still work on OpenBSD and contribute back? -- p

Re: Solid state disk geometry

2012-06-12 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On 2012-06-12, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: On 06/11/12 19:25, Jens A. Griepentrog wrote: Let me know, please, whether it makes sense to modify disk geometry for solid state disks? If you knew what physical block size your SSD worked with, you might -- MIGHT -- see some benefit

Re: Solid state disk geometry

2012-06-12 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:31:38 +0200 Peter Laufenberg wrote: Some SSD controllers use compression I wonder if they use the average compression ratio to boost advertised capacity? Define average :) Nah that'd be too obvious given SSDs are often used for video editing. Manufacturers are happy

Re: About wine ?

2012-06-11 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:35:50AM +0800, z_axis wrote: I know wine port has been stopped. I wonder whether or not it is applicable to port wine to OpenBSD ? Wine works great on FreeBSD, why cannot it run on OpenBSD ? Somebody has to resolve the issues in the code :) Take it from ports in

Re: About wine ?

2012-06-11 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: Qemu seems like a good project given the flack it gets on wikipedia (very Cartesian, I know), how well can it run on OpenBSD? what's holding it back? which kernel improvements/patches will help? if all VM

Re: Solid state disk geometry

2012-06-11 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On 06/11/12 19:25, Jens A. Griepentrog wrote: Let me know, please, whether it makes sense to modify disk geometry for solid state disks? If you knew what physical block size your SSD worked with, you might -- MIGHT -- see some benefit using that, but the 4k offsets seem to work just fine. I

Re: PHP issue with native Apache and ProxyPass

2012-06-06 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I wanted to proxyfy another WordPress instance, running on a remote OpenBSD 5.1 installation. So far, the remote installation works like a charm. But when I configure the reverse-proxy, URL with PHP files and variables aren't managed properly. The remote website is located on

Re: No audio on auvia0 / VIA VT8233 AC97

2012-06-05 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Not 100% sure from the logs but you've got a lot of mixer channels muted, maybe PCM isn't getting amped. Also try 44100 Hz. I don't have windows available to update bios You probably don't need Windows, just a boot CD like from PE Builder, Ultimate Boot CD, etc. Intel and Dell also have some

Re: No audio on auvia0 / VIA VT8233 AC97

2012-06-05 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Also try 44100 Hz. I tried but audioctl will not let me lower the Hz rate below 48000 Hz. Probably the native freq but it's strange it'd interpolate in software. Is there something else I can try before getting a PCI soundcard? Update BIOS and any other firmware. As far as I know, the BIOS

Re: Large (3TB) HDD support

2012-06-04 Thread Peter Laufenberg
2012/6/1 Tyler Morgan tyl...@tradetech.net: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#LargeDrive That doesn't mention GPT, which is the problem with drives 2TB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table Can OpenBSD already boot from a 4TB drive on an UEFI system? Try to buy systems

Re: Large (3TB) HDD support

2012-06-04 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Of course, it isn't /quite/ that simple. GPT is still fairly new, and whilst it's not too difficult to get a number of operating systems to boot from GPT, sharing a disk has a number of gotchas. Exposing dormant OpenBSD partitions to an untrusted OS is stupid unless you have no other choice like

Re: apmd closes/crashes on lid close

2012-06-04 Thread Peter Laufenberg
dump xset -q and wsconsctl -a, compare working/non-working states, check for possible race condition? -- p xset dpms 5 10 15 isn't doing anything either, nor xset s 4. On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Robert Connolly robertconnolly1...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes apmd crashes from a system

Re: Large (3TB) HDD support

2012-06-04 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Mon Jun 4 2012 08:16, Peter Laufenberg wrote: UEFI has gotten more press, and given RH an opportunity to present itself as defender of freedom I meant that sarcastically -- p

Re: Large (3TB) HDD support

2012-06-04 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Mon Jun 4 2012 08:16, Peter Laufenberg wrote: UEFI has gotten more press, and given RH an opportunity to present itself as defender of freedom, but it's really an evolution of PCs running black-box code when and where it can do most harm. In fact, RH betrayed the OSS community It's

Re: (Kinda O.T.) Digital Millennium Copyright Act used to censor hardware specifications

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:11, Brett wrote: Pursuant to a rights owner notice under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the Wikimedia Foundation acted under the law and took down and restricted the content in question. A copy of the received notice can be Reverse engineering

Re: Thinkpad T60 sticky touchpad (amd64/5.1-stable)

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I have a Lenovo Thinkpad T60 amd64 laptop (dmesg below) running 5.1-stable (fresh install of -release from the CD set, then CVS update to -stable). The touchpad pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 wsmouse1 at pms0 mux 0 pms0: Synaptics touchpad, firmware 6.2 has an

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Laufenberg
(admittedly quality reading time:) From: Peter Laufenberg [mailto:pe...@x.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:28 PM To: xx...@acm.org Subject: Re: Welcome to your second year as an ACM member! Hi, I would like to unsubscribe from ACM immediately; I understand there may

Re: Plan 9 to OpenBSD (Was Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM)

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Laufenberg
, etc. The only thing I miss is an X-less framebuffer in OpenBSD even it'd support just a console and text editor. IMHO X has to die, it's a huge pile of crap. -- p Hi, Peter Laufenberg wrote on Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:51:13AM MST: Actually it's this kind of slander that brought me to OpenBSD

Re: realtek 8188ce not configured

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Lenovo won't let me replace the Realtek 8188CE mini-pci card that came with it with another. The hardware refuses to boot with an unauthorized network card detected or somesuch error (brilliant!). What are the chances of getting this card working with obsd? :) bios-mods.com has high-wire patches

Re: Notebook

2012-05-27 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I installed VLC, and my webcam works, but my microphone does not seem to be detected at all. dmesg does not list a usb audio device. What should I do to investigate this? Is there a better application, other than VLC, for using a webcam with OpenBSD? Before you install X/KDE, etc., do a vanilla

Re: German Government claims to be able to break PGP and SSH

2012-05-26 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote: My German's rusty but the follow-up article quoting Symantec mentions spyware/keylogging, which has been the traditional technique used in in the past. But that's for targeted surveillance. They still cast a wide net: on ccc.de there's a detailed

Re: German Government claims to be able to break PGP and SSH

2012-05-25 Thread Peter Laufenberg
car + eimer? ay carambas?!! Autoeimer, with unlimited strcat() known to overflow students' brains. Yes the Bundestrojaner. I pictured a fat politician's soggy condom on the back of his doggy-style mistress: one for the country! Mild stuff considering German pr0n culture. -- p On Thu, May 24,

Re: German Government claims to be able to break PGP and SSH

2012-05-24 Thread Peter Laufenberg
What do you guys think about the reliability of the news (unfortunatelly in German only) on www.golem.de My German's rusty but the follow-up article quoting Symantec mentions spyware/keylogging, which has been the traditional technique used in in the past. -- p

Re: Upgrading OpenBSD

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Outstanding point. The thing is this: With MS PHP is clearly distinct from the OS. I go get it from php.org. With BSD I must rely on the package system. This is taking up a lot of ink; is this a genuine enquiry or a provocation? Search for Extraneous entries for Visual C++ Standard hotfixes and

Re: IPs in the facebook.com domain accessing OpenSBD firewall

2012-05-17 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I wonder if these machines in the facebook.com domain are infected with some malware bots? Facebook *is* a malware bot:) Let the request through and log what it tries to do next, this could be quite a story. -- p

Re: Thank you for an awsome product...

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Laufenberg
if you ssh from Windows try Bitvise Tunnelier instead of putty. If you ssh from *nix... just use ssh. -- p Hello, And thank you for an awsome product...I am a novice, (just starting out in the linux/unix/bsd world), been a windows server guy and 3d modeler/animator, graphic

Re: stresstest + safest crashlog?

2012-05-13 Thread Peter Laufenberg
On May 13 17:47:55, Petah wrote: I've had a bunch of crashes freezing one PC to such an extent I couldn't recover any log, You mean, after a reboot? Ctrl-alt-del won't reboot (pc has no X), I have to keep powerbutton down 5 secs. There's one post-reboot log entry unrelated to the panic

Re: Watchdog timeout reset in 5.1 on intel nic:s

2012-05-12 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I've had the same problem with a KVM, maybe worth a note in the install docs? -- p On May 11, 2012, at 19:05, Per-Olov Sjvholm p...@incedo.org wrote: On 11 maj 2012, at 11:16, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2012/05/11 01:15, Garry Dolley wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 03:31:27PM +0100, Stuart