And I would say the same about Object Pascal.
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like web apps on the server, DLLs, even a desktop apps that
users don't close. Memleaks, in that cases, will be a problem for
sure.
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n the fpc process die and the memleak is gone.
But you need paying attention if your code is producing memleaks.
However, if your application is just a console app that do the job and
dies, as FPC, then it will be the same.
Nevertheless, I always (try) clean my objects, checking with heaptrc.
It does
cause of their memory leaks ?
>
> Huh, will MSElang have the same behaviour ?
You don't need to reboot the system.
When the process finish, the OS clean all memory that belongs it.
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> What I got was the screenshot I posted before. The above steps doesn't
> sound unreasonable to me!
Don't use gitlab.com/explore, instead just use the Search edit on the top.
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droid is better in this regard.
Hmm... Ok. Thanks.
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but if could have such apps using Object Pascal, would be nice.
Can I do that using MSE and its default widgets?
Thanks.
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c Pascal. I agree that is ugly.
However, Martin is fixing this, always putting a semicolon no matter what.
Besides that, the "begin" doesn't exists anymore, just "end". In other
words, we will always have a "block" using if-then-end instead of
if-then-begin-end.
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tiple conditional. More at the
> style of Modula-2 and the new language syntax.
Do you think that there are any difference — semantically speaking —
between your code and my below?
I'm using just Pascal...
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> else if ... then
> ...
> else if ...
that you give a instance from another object.
If these methods (exec, foo, and bar) do not return "self", you need
to declarate a variable — or use "with".
So:
---
obj := x.getAnObject;
obj.exec;
obj.foo;
obj.bar;
---
But if you return "self":
uot; — isn't a good design.
You need to have a return. If you have a object with a method "exec",
eg, why not return the object itself? Just return something.
But, for procedural programmers, just don't write the last part as I proposed.
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> On Tuesday 09 May 2017 15:26:24 Marcos Douglas B. Santos wrote:
>>
>> It is not about if these languages are better, but if they are easy to
>> do the work.
>>
> Thats the
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> On Tuesday 09 May 2017 14:08:39 Marcos Douglas B. Santos wrote:
>>
>> I understand your point of view but I think this could be confusing...
>> Well, first of all we should understand the
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> On Monday 08 May 2017 22:44:39 Marcos Douglas B. Santos wrote:
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Sieghard <s_c_...@arcor.de> wrote:
>> > Hallo Marcos,
>> >
>> >
> named fields, which might even be of different types? Is that manageable,
> or will the construct break down, at least on "pathological" casses?
>
> (I'm afraid it _will_ break down.)
For me it would be the same as today, using classes.
But Martin have already disagree
1" or...?
You've already answered "No, obj2 is a pointer." but what about if the
compiler change this by itself, putting a "^" because the variable
declaration has one?
var
obj1: objty; //an instance on stack, needs no create() or destroy()
obj2: ^objty; //on heap
begin
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> On Monday 08 May 2017 14:11:28 Marcos Douglas B. Santos wrote:
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Martin Schreiber <mse00...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > One does not need to use &
On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Martin Schreiber <mse00...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 07 May 2017 18:48:13 Marcos Douglas B. Santos wrote:
>> On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Martin Schreiber <mse00...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Classes should not exis
gt;>
> That looks a little bit abstract to me. A general purpose programming language
> should be handy and not necessarily academically clean.
I pointed this project as an example about concepts that are truly
object-oriented. One of them is: no class, just objects.
I tried to propose
t-oriented programming. This is a
mistake. Only objects should exists.
I'm following and participate (more or less) of a new language called
EO https://github.com/yegor256/eo that do not have classes, NULL and
other things that should not exists in OOP.
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mance I
> saw in Java 8.
...and because that and others, we start to think if Pascal will died
soon or if we will use Pascal to make bytecode to Java. :|
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But you continue using objects and classes...
Use only objects and change this syntax...
o1: ^obj5ty;
...to this one
o1: obj5ty;
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> On Tuesday 01 December 2015 11:58:22 Saša Janiška wrote:
>>
>> How do they compare in terms of documentation, ease of learning,
>> completeness of widget set etc.
>>
> In addition to what Graeme writes I like to
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote:
On 12/03/2014 02:21 AM, Marcos Douglas wrote:
If I understood right, your team still working with Delphi but for new
code they are using FPC and these codes need to work on Delphi and
FPC, right?
They are not at all
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote:
On 11/28/2014 05:56 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote:
But if you can use FPC why not migrate all? Why use Delphi compiler on
Windows and FPC for others?
The migration Delphi - fpc would take at lease a year, including
several
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote:
On 11/27/2014 01:02 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote:
I don't understand why so much discussion about Unicode support on FPC
list
Did you read
http://wiki.freepascal.org
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote:
On 11/28/2014 03:20 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote:
The problem in FPC, I think, is they want to keep Old code, Delphi
compatibilities, implement new things... at the same time!
Plus creating code for multiple OSes
), string32 (UCS-4)
and bytestring which can hold any 8-bit encoding or binary data.
That's what I'm talking about!
You (alone?) solved this problem. Why FPC _team_ has not resolved yet?
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easily could be avoided), but the Embarcadero
code implementers messed it up. And fpc simply followed :-( .
And fpc simply followed
That's what I really do not understand.
If wants Delphi so, buy and use it!
Well, the discussion came here...
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On 11/28/2014 04:23 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote:
If wants Delphi so, buy and use it!
It still is not usable on Linux (and supposedly VCL applications will
never be portable to Linux with Delphi).
fpc can help
discussion ;) Are
you sure you didn't took his words out of context?
:)
In fact, Florian said this many times. :(
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Hi,
What is the status of MSElang currently?
I don't understand why so much discussion about Unicode support on FPC
list and I'm afraid if there is a good future for the language.
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On Thursday 27 November 2014 13:02:44 Marcos Douglas wrote:
Hi,
What is the status of MSElang currently?
I don't understand why so much discussion about Unicode support on FPC
list and I'm afraid if there is a good
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On Thursday 27 November 2014 14:16:35 Marcos Douglas wrote:
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On Thursday 27 November 2014 13:02:44 Marcos Douglas wrote:
Hi,
What
Hi,
Using Windows XP to compile the last code on Git (today) I got:
[...]
Compiling .\lib\common\kernel\msedrag.pas
Compiling .\lib\common\sysutils\msesysdnd.pas
Compiling .\lib\common\sysutils\msemime.pas
Compiling .\lib\common\graphics\msegdi32gdi.pas
Compiling
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On 08.10.2014 16:12, Marcos Douglas wrote:
Hi,
Using Windows XP to compile the last code on Git (today) I got:
[...]
Compiling .\lib\common\kernel\msedrag.pas
Compiling .\lib\common\sysutils\msesysdnd.pas
Hi,
Just a typo in /kernel/msetypes.pas unit, line 62:
pflot32 = ^float32;
The correct would be:
pfloat32 = ^float32; // a
;-)
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Result is also an (undeclared) ghost :)
But you can SEE it!
Let's cut the E: Exception too, because E variable do not
exists... what is happend here blablabla...
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Ahá! Now I understand, this is a joke! I almost believed you. ;-)
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On Saturday 23 November 2013 18:55:00 Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com
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On Thursday 21 November 2013 08:32:57 Martin Schreiber wrote:
...
sub
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On Sunday 24 November 2013 14:48:05 Marcos Douglas wrote:
You can not protect the programmers using this. Think. Even if you use
'return', 'result', whatever... if the programmer put a Exit on your
code the same error
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Also how about BREAK(nesting_level) NEXT(nesting_level) ? Some
languages provide that and one is quite handy.
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than subroutine and more speaking than sub.
I agree. But, in that context, I will be happy using 'method' or
'function' to class methods.
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address?
Yes. +1
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subroutine and more speaking than sub.
I agree. But, in that context, I will be happy using 'method' or
'function' to class methods.
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 22 November 2013 13:03:08 Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday 22 November 2013 09:09:21 Michael Schnell wrote:
While I think, private
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 22 November 2013 13:42:32 Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com
wrote:
tfoo = class
private
fprop1: int32;
fprop2: int32;
protected
):integer, string;
begin
//...
return 1, 'abc';
end;
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On Friday 22 November 2013 18:29:49 Marcos Douglas wrote:
But we can't do this:
type
tfoo = object //rtti is off
private
fprop1: int32;
fprop2: int32;
fprop3: int32;
protected
{$rtti
; ...;
which in turn can override {$rtti on}.
Because it is a new keyword. I like to completely separate RTTI and streaming
from the language.
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On Friday 22 November 2013 19:40:29 Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Friday 22 November 2013 18:29:49 Marcos Douglas wrote:
But we can't do
another language and loose the
true Pascal spirit. We can use some features by another language -- of
course! They copy everything at Pascal for years! -- but we can't
forget where we came... our culture.
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 20 November 2013 23:01:52 Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
'()' for procedure header and procedure calling is mandatory
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Ivanko B ivankob4m...@gmail.com wrote:
Oberon uses 'procedure' too.
===
Then better sub[routine] which means both function procedure :)
Worse, sorry.
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: integer;
v1:= 1;
return arg1 = v1;
end;
--
but then how to be with nested const, typeetc ? Hmm...
I don't think that remove var, const is a good idea. Maybe it is
worse for the compiler performance too.
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then
result:= result + 'mumu';
else
result:= result + 'koko';
end;
end:= result;
probably is too exotic. ;-)
WOW! Exotic too much and worse then use result variable.
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before cut or add some features.
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On Thursday 21 November 2013 13:49:46 Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2013 12:46:55 Marcos Douglas wrote:
Please tell me you
with
such return ? Me can't event imagine how :)
???
Write
sub SUBNAME(): RESULTTYPE;
var
result: RESULTTYPE;
begin
...
end:= result;
and work as before?
Please, don't do that... the sintaxe end:= result; is very ugly!
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On Thursday 21 November 2013 17:03:16 Marcos Douglas wrote:
Please, don't do that... the sintaxe end:= result; is very ugly!
Alternatives?
Using implicit 'result' variable or 'FUNCTIONNAME' variable is bad because
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2013 13:48:37 Marcos Douglas wrote:
WOW! Exotic too much and worse then use result variable.
Why? It shows clearly that it is a write only variable which can not be
read and can't
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2013 16:32:00 Marcos Douglas wrote:
Who defined that a function HAVE to return a value ALWAYS? Where is
this rule? ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(mathematics)
Pupils
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On Thursday 21 November 2013 18:39:09 Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com
wrote:
Why needs a 'return' statement only before 'end'?
Not only, before end must
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Ivanko B ivankob4m...@gmail.com wrote:
And a procedere HAVE to NOT return a value ALWAYS :)
Yes! Let's go create a new world! hehehe ;-)
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Ivanko B ivankob4m...@gmail.com wrote:
This new world seems to be a forgotten old one - sub[routine] :)
A forgotten old world called MS VisualBasic... =P
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On Thursday 21 November 2013 12:46:55 Marcos Douglas wrote:
Please tell me you have not chosen the keyword sub for
procedures/functions. :(
Why not? 'func' - function which is the wrong term in case of a procedure
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Martin Schreiber mse00...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2013 12:28:30 Marcos Douglas wrote:
a) New sintaxe for procedure:
function func(a: bool8);
begin
// do not need the return keyword
end;
b) New sintaxe for function:
function func
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Ivanko B ivankob4m...@gmail.com wrote:
end:= 123;
which means assign the sub block with a value. Not that bad when the shock is
over. ;-)
But it may be weird to prepare function code to this final asiigmnent :)
+1
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and function keywords, but
if one them will be excluded then procedure keyword is the best
choice.
The most languages uses function so why MSElang can't uses that keyword too?
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and function keywords, but
if one them will be excluded then procedure keyword is the best
choice.
The most languages uses function so why MSElang can't uses that keyword too?
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a short form of else if (but not
really that much shorter)
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you understand now?
Anyway, we'll have to wait what will be implemented.
I think so. Perhaps you understand the benefits.
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-if construction, why he will implement a
if-eleif construction that do the same? :-)
Martin, do you know Lua language? For me it is the simpler language
that exists... of course is a interpreted language, but you can catch
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can use all units in ${projectdir}/level1/ like this:
uses
Level1.file1, Level1.file2;
More productive, don't you think?
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and simple way around this neccessity:
just require that _everything_ to compile a project from has to be
contained in one big single file that you feed to the compiler.
This was in fact the original approach used for Pascal.
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; parc: boolean;);
...
Opinions?
Martin
Well, I think not need to change this but if you will change anyway, I
vote in #1 option:
procedure test(para: int32, parb: int8, parc: boolean);
or:
procedure test(para, parb: int32, parc: int8, pard: boolean);
I don't like this ;); :-P
Marcos
will implement this. I guess he will chose
the simple way... if is compiler macros, Ok for me.
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suggestion, but could effectively do the same.
My idea is to use a item using a virtual name instead of the real
name. Just it.
Do this in a directory is more productive than for each unit. But we
can have both.
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r.field1.field1:= 123; //or
s.field1:= 123;
end;
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That is a good idea after all.
Pascal has the 'absolute' keyword so maybe could be:
with rec1 absolute r do
r.field1:= 123
end;
Maybe use 'alias' keyword
with rec1 alias r do
r.field1:= 123
end;
Best regards,
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sources have mclasses and others that using the
prefix 'M'... do you see the problem now?
Namespaces, as I explained on official list, will allow the programmer
set an 'alias' for units and use this name instead of the unit name.
Regards,
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That is a good idea after all.
Pascal has the 'absolute' keyword so maybe could
:
IMO, no.
The do keyword is more beautiful and readable.
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building a debugger at the same time as the compiler.
GDB is just awful for Object Pascal! I don't know of any other language
that has such bad debugger support like FPC's Object Pascal.
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Someone commented, on the fpc-list, to make a new debugger coded in
Pascal because the gdb do not works very well using with Pascal (eg:
properties, objects, etc).
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Thanks, Martin
...tmsecomponent will not descend from TComponent anymore
What do you going to do, rewrite all code??
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Maybe it is time now to fork dp.pas.
Please use FPC fixes_2_6 SVN revision 20423, it is the last working.
You mean DB.pas... yes, maybe.
No, db.pas
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Compiling .\lib\common\widgets\msegridsglob.pas
Compiling .\lib\common\kernel\msearrayprops.pas
msestream.pas(836,11) Error: Wrong number of parameters specified for call to C
reate
msestream.pas(2192) Fatal: There were 1 errors compiling module, stopping
Fatal: Compilation aborted
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Am 12.01.2012 13:39, schrieb Marcos Douglas:
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On Wednesday 11 January 2012 21.51:35 Marcos Douglas wrote:
Hi,
I updated the sources today
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