RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
My 2 cents of wisdom on the digitizers: In my company we replace several dozens of them per day. And if we look at the manufacturing date we find that 90% of defect digitizers date from Q3/2007 till August 2008 (end of production). Just today I saw a device from early 2008 that was RMA-ed in late 2008, got a new digitizer from Palm and now is sent back to us to get its 3rd one! On the other hand we get devices from 2005/2006 that just need a new battery with the digi being still 100% accurate. To me Palm have become more and more negligent on quality management in the last years of Tungsten/Zire production. That had cost them a lot of goodwill in our customer base. Initially our customers viewed Palm PDAs high quality, durable goods (in fact many of them had bought a Palm V, M515 e.a. before and those were still working after 3-5 years). As of today I still see demand for a EUR 150/USD 200 PDA that does not carry the additional cost and functionality overhead of a phone. However the global volume is certainly way too low to justify new development for a listed company like Palm. Hadn't they continuously shot themself in the foot (and they did so on any occasion, HW- and SW-wise) they might still be milking a small but profitable cash-cow. Harry Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Of course it depends on the situation. But for someone in the recycling industry, your solution is massively overpriced. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 04:22 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre hardly, if you include human time to replace digitizer :) Also if the new digitizer has a different resistance it will nto at ALL work without powerdigi Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 2009/5/17 Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk: Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Plus Janam have an OS 5.4 device with built-in barcode reader, which also won't break. Roger Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: Baxter bax...@baxcode.com Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:29:34 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip --- END OF DIGEST -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Roger Stringer Marietta Systems, Inc. (www.rf-tp.com) -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
hardly, if you include human time to replace digitizer :) Also if the new digitizer has a different resistance it will nto at ALL work without powerdigi Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 2009/5/17 Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk: Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm does not own Palm OS. Access does. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Palm did buy a perpetual license to use and extend what is now called Garnet oS P. Douglas Reeder sent from my Palm OS Treo 650 -Original Message- From: Regis St-Gelais regis.st-gel...@laubrass.com Subj: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:57 am Size: 657 bytes To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm does not own Palm OS. Access does. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
extend it; not port it/make an emulator. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:57 AM, reeder...@gmail.com wrote: Palm did buy a perpetual license to use and extend what is now called Garnet oS P. Douglas Reeder sent from my Palm OS Treo 650 -Original Message- From: Regis St-Gelais regis.st-gel...@laubrass.com Subj: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:57 am Size: 657 bytes To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm does not own Palm OS. Access does. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm inc and only Palm cause the death of Palmos. Working on palm emulator would be like admitting they are wrong. They just realize that nobody would wont a new phone without software. An emulator will solve this temporarily. Your email made me recall an old reply of mine that we should all find a way to license palmos and work with it. I still believe that if some real effort was made on a new version of Palmos will retain a worthy market share. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Or the license of the OS technically forbids it. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Classic update: It can run with a virtual SD card but it does not support Bluetooth... http://motionapps.blogspot.com/2009/04/classic-faq.html Diego Acevedo wrote: Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head Click on video. Interesting! Diego, -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. -- Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650730 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
giving the c compiler to motion apps, who never produced a single interesting application (interesting is defined as overstepping conventionally defined boundaries) very disappointing, Palm. Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Good point. They are not the most exciting company in the world, by the look of it. I am not sure that Palm is targeting the right developers anyway. They seem more interested in people who have experience with JavaScript and CSS, rather than people who have track records in mobile systems. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2009 18:37 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre giving the c compiler to motion apps, who never produced a single interesting application (interesting is defined as overstepping conventionally defined boundaries) very disappointing, Palm. Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Good point. They are not the most exciting company in the world, by the look of it. I am not sure that Palm is targeting the right developers anyway. They seem more interested in people who have experience with JavaScript and CSS, rather than people who have track records in mobile systems. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2009 18:37 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre giving the c compiler to motion apps, who never produced a single interesting application (interesting is defined as overstepping conventionally defined boundaries) very disappointing, Palm. Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
I'm looking for a cheap iphone on ebay. even ones with broken screens go for 400's...WTF Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Consider an iTouch as an alternative. Basically an iPhone without the phone (which makes it an i ?) If you then get into apps that require telephone functions you can justify the extra cost. Jeff Dmitry Grinberg wrote: I'm looking for a cheap iphone on ebay. even ones with broken screens go for 400's...WTF Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
i did play with iTouch, on a jailbroken one, i was able to bring up my SDHC driver, and using some wires attach an SDHC card to the device and read it Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Jeff Summers j...@smallsyssoft.com wrote: Consider an iTouch as an alternative. Basically an iPhone without the phone (which makes it an i ?) If you then get into apps that require telephone functions you can justify the extra cost. Jeff Dmitry Grinberg wrote: I'm looking for a cheap iphone on ebay. even ones with broken screens go for 400's...WTF Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Shorin wrote: One thing I'm kinda pissed about is that I heard it has a capacitive touchscreen... which means no stylus. I had never thought of that, and my cave survey program does need a stylus to accurately poke the map, so I checked a friend's iPod. You're right about the stylus, yet we found iPhone (and presumably Pré)-compatible styli online. See http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/ or http://www.oriongadgets.com/2182.html for instance. Luc Le Blanc http://www.speleo.qc.ca/Auriga -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Regis St-Gelais regis.st-gel...@laubrass.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... If I'm right, StyleTap and Classic has to very different approche oups to = two I think that Clasic uses a modified palm rom and that they programmed a layer (simulator or emulator depending on how the processor familly are similar) to execute the rom. You will notice that when Clasic starts, you see an Access Powered logo. Which indicate that they are using the Acces OS. Looks like palm outsourced there Access licence. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... Unless StyleTap has to pay royalties to Palm; do they? Not to my knowledge. If I'm right, StyleTap and Classic has to very different approche. StyleTap emulates the OS itself. It does not use the Palm rom. I think that Clasic uses a modified palm rom and that they programmed a layer (simulator or emulator depending on how the processor familly are similar) to execute the rom. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. From: luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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I think it's more accurate to say that all the extras above and beyond the ability to make and receive phone calls are secondary to my needs. I got my Centro for $50 when I renewed my basic ATT contract -- which I would have done anyway because I get a discount. I no longer carry my E2 and a phone that takes pictures of the inside of my pocket but won't connect to my PC to share them. I can manage my calendar and my contacts using a real keyboard and keep the one at work sync'd to the one at home. I may not be typical, but I suspect that given the choice of having a sensible phone service plan over a full data plan a lot more people would take the sensible option. This, however, is not in the best interests of Spring, ATT, Verizon, et al. so you won't see sensible options -- just more ways to bill for airtime (whether you use it or not). dga Lee Church wrote: The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. *From:* luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM *To:* Palm Developer Forum *Subject:* RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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It really doesn't have a card slot? I would be certain that they'd put it in the battery compartment like the Centro at least. Palms have always had card slots, haven't they? One thing I'm kinda pissed about is that I heard it has a capacitive touchscreen... which means no stylus. . . Now there's no reason to port any art programs onto the Palm Pre, and that's one of my favorite things to do on the Palm. Edward Jones wrote: Yes Palm says it has a total of 8Gb internal storage (see here for the full specs : http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9668/palm-announces-the-palm-pre-smartphone/) but with regards to the absence of an SD slot the only thing I can think of is that Palm designers were trying to keep the thickness/cost of the Pre down? To me though it would be worth sacrificing a lttle more thickness for the undoubted usefulness of an SD slot. Maybe the production model will have it or maybe even one of the other models that Palm say will follow... A lot of maybes... Edward Jones Martin Henne wrote: On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Edward Jones wrote: Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? It has no SD-Slot? Why is that? So I wont buy one. Or does it have heaps of GB space? it should have at least 8 GB then. Martin -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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They have, however left the option of using dial-up in there right up to the centro. However some areas (northeast US switched over to somebody else running the PSTN and ffed up something so that wireless dialup calls no longer got through.) (CDMA only btw). I am actually surprised that Dialup over CDMA worked at all, considering the underlying protocol. I used dial up instead of a data plan for a while, until I just happened to get one for $5 a month (One of those famous screwups and they throw in a dataplan to make up for it), and then I ended up getting rid of that too. Nowdays, I realize that I don't need a dataplan at all. I have a laptop, and its always with me. Don Albertson wrote: I think it's more accurate to say that all the extras above and beyond the ability to make and receive phone calls are secondary to my needs. I got my Centro for $50 when I renewed my basic ATT contract -- which I would have done anyway because I get a discount. I no longer carry my E2 and a phone that takes pictures of the inside of my pocket but won't connect to my PC to share them. I can manage my calendar and my contacts using a real keyboard and keep the one at work sync'd to the one at home. I may not be typical, but I suspect that given the choice of having a sensible phone service plan over a full data plan a lot more people would take the sensible option. This, however, is not in the best interests of Spring, ATT, Verizon, et al. so you won't see sensible options -- just more ways to bill for airtime (whether you use it or not). dga Lee Church wrote: The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. *From:* luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM *To:* Palm Developer Forum *Subject:* RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Lee your comment about YOUR custmers not wanting to give up the phone makes my point, these customers DO need both services and in that case the phone/PDA combo wins hands down. Howerver, my comment was directed towards those applications like restaurants, small warehouses, doctors and others where the phone is NOT necessary and the PDA is only used for data collection, then the phone is an EXTRA charge for a data collector unit. In some of these areas a 200.00 unit is what the doctor ordered Luis, From: lchu...@mobitechsystems.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:48:33 -0500 The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. From: luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.-- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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You are right. I support delivery drivers who use Palms as a Point of Sale device. Had a poor woman call that her E2 wouldn't digitize and Palm couldn't sell her one. She couldn't use a Unlocked Centro because a.) we don't support it, and b.) it won't hook to her printer. (Although I got one to work by jamming it against the leads on the printer and if she bought one I would tell her how to get it to work with our software, but we don't test on them.) My customers need PDA's. I redirected her to a reseller of refurbish Palms, but soon that source will dry up. We face the possibility of having to switch to Windows Mobile, and having the nightmare of supporting two platforms that the customers can't tell apart. (Trust me.) Cell phones do not work for delivery drivers. Janam has a Palm PDA for just such a use, but it cost $1500. Many of our customers are small family owned businesses that would rather buy or replace $200 or $300 PDAs as they break. Benjamin luis maldonado wrote: Lee your comment about YOUR custmers not wanting to give up the phone makes my point, these customers DO need both services and in that case the phone/PDA combo wins hands down. Howerver, my comment was directed towards those applications like restaurants, small warehouses, doctors and others where the phone is NOT necessary and the PDA is only used for data collection, then the phone is an EXTRA charge for a data collector unit. In some of these areas a 200.00 unit is what the doctor ordered Luis, -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. Janam will sell a color unit w/o scanner and Wifi, and I can match the Internet resellers and sell it for a price that's very close to the price of three E2 units. Over a three year period I estimate the Janam units will cut the TCO in half. And that's not counting the lost productivity due to a broken unit or the spare inventory a user had to stock. I run two small businesses so I understand the value of cash, but I also understand the value of a sound investment. As for doctor's, well that's an interesting group. If there was ever a bigger bunch of cheapskates who can absolutely afford whatever toy they desire, I've never met them. I've worked in the medical field before, and my experience is that if you sell them cheap, you've sold your soul. I listened to one guy tell me to my face that he could build a better system in 3 weekends or less, and run it on Zire units which I would not support. After whining and complaining for over an hour, he walked out and got into a car worth over $100K. I would never base any business plan around that group. BTW, the doc never ended up with a system. -Original Message- From: Ben Rittgers [mailto:britt...@mchsi.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:31 PM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre You are right. I support delivery drivers who use Palms as a Point of Sale device. Had a poor woman call that her E2 wouldn't digitize and Palm couldn't sell her one. She couldn't use a Unlocked Centro because a.) we don't support it, and b.) it won't hook to her printer. (Although I got one to work by jamming it against the leads on the printer and if she bought one I would tell her how to get it to work with our software, but we don't test on them.) My customers need PDA's. I redirected her to a reseller of refurbish Palms, but soon that source will dry up. We face the possibility of having to switch to Windows Mobile, and having the nightmare of supporting two platforms that the customers can't tell apart. (Trust me.) Cell phones do not work for delivery drivers. Janam has a Palm PDA for just such a use, but it cost $1500. Many of our customers are small family owned businesses that would rather buy or replace $200 or $300 PDAs as they break. Benjamin luis maldonado wrote: Lee your comment about YOUR custmers not wanting to give up the phone makes my point, these customers DO need both services and in that case the phone/PDA combo wins hands down. Howerver, my comment was directed towards those applications like restaurants, small warehouses, doctors and others where the phone is NOT necessary and the PDA is only used for data collection, then the phone is an EXTRA charge for a data collector unit. In some of these areas a 200.00 unit is what the doctor ordered Luis, -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Diego Acevedo wrote: Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart icleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head Looks very promising. This might be a reason for me to buy a pre. Martin -- www.martinhenne.de martin.he...@web.de -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? Edward Jones Martin Henne wrote: On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Diego Acevedo wrote: Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart icleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head Looks very promising. This might be a reason for me to buy a pre. Martin -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Edward Jones wrote: Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? It has no SD-Slot? Why is that? So I wont buy one. Or does it have heaps of GB space? it should have at least 8 GB then. Martin -- www.martinhenne.de martin.he...@web.de -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Yes Palm says it has a total of 8Gb internal storage (see here for the full specs : http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9668/palm-announces-the-palm-pre-smartphone/) but with regards to the absence of an SD slot the only thing I can think of is that Palm designers were trying to keep the thickness/cost of the Pre down? To me though it would be worth sacrificing a lttle more thickness for the undoubted usefulness of an SD slot. Maybe the production model will have it or maybe even one of the other models that Palm say will follow... A lot of maybes... Edward Jones Martin Henne wrote: On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Edward Jones wrote: Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? It has no SD-Slot? Why is that? So I wont buy one. Or does it have heaps of GB space? it should have at least 8 GB then. Martin -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Diego Acevedo diegoacev...@worldnet.att.net a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head It is just a shame they did not mandate StyleTap for this outsource. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Regis St-Gelais wrote: } It is just a shame they did not mandate StyleTap for this outsource. I too thought like this at first, given StyleTap's quality and their excellent service to developers. However, Palm may have felt differently about them. After all, Palm often boasted its vast program base (a pride unfortunately not reflected in their appreciation of PalmOS developers when announcing the Pre), so when these programs can be used on non-Palm hardware, that doesn't put any money in Palm's pocket. Unless StyleTap has to pay royalties to Palm; do they? Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
