Re: [PD] [list length] counts unusual

2006-11-01 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, I think the design is, in fact, wrong. But should I now fix it (incompatibly)? drat. M On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:10:57PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 23:04 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Length in list-len.pd in the traditional way is calculated by serializing

Re: [PD] tabosc4~ in .40-1 on MacTel

2006-11-02 Thread Miller Puckette
Wow, I haven't heard sounds like that since Xenakis died. I'm guessing osc~ is broken too. Will fixtest tomorrow... thanks Miller On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:26:18PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is anyone else experiencing strange/incorrect behavior with the tabosc4~ object in .40-1 in OS

Re: [PD] pd 0.40.1 won't build with --disable-alsa

2006-11-03 Thread Miller Puckette
Not having portaudio, I tried just --disable-alsa on a Fedora 3 machine and got a different error. (on my redhat 9 system it works just fine...) I'll have to poke around some more to see what's going on. cheers Miller On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:42:51AM -0600, John Harrison wrote: In my

Re: [PD] midiout problem

2006-11-15 Thread Miller Puckette
I think the alsa MIDI code in Pd doean't handle sysex... the OSS code does, if you can use that by any chance. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 07:46:10PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: I forgot to mention I'm running Linux Fedora 5 in case this issue is distribution sensitive. Does anyone know

Re: [PD] wavetable distortion after save

2006-12-07 Thread Miller Puckette
.hc On Dec 5, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi Marc, This is a bug that is fixed in 0.41 (which is in early pre-release right now). cheers Miller On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 03:20:31PM +0100, metafor wrote: hi list i experience a strange

Re: [PD] Mutiple instances of a patch at startup.

2006-12-13 Thread Miller Puckette
It's a bug... I made a decision to slightly simplify the code by reusing the path mechanism to open files from command line - but 'path' does, appropriately, suppress duplicates and I'd have to carry one additional flag around to do everything exactly right. I honestly didn't think anyone would

Re: [PD] Abstraction [define]

2006-12-15 Thread Miller Puckette
I've been thinking about some other ways to do that (also would like to figure out how to bundle externs, files for 'qlist', etc in a single gesture) but there's something about this particular idea I like... (OK here are some others: 2. Have a bundle file type that causes Pd actually to build

Re: [PD] Abstraction [define]

2006-12-16 Thread Miller Puckette
Exactly. If I could answer those questions I'd code it up right now... cheers Miller On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 01:21:29AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Frank Barknecht wrote: A further step would be

Re: [PD] float parsing

2006-12-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Dunno which is should be, but the 'c' language doesn't allow unary '+' in front of numerical literals... so I followed that lead. cheers Miller On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 09:05:09PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: If I type something like this in a messagebox: list +1 +1 +1 -1 -1 -1 -1 +1

Re: [PD] wavetable distortion after save

2007-01-11 Thread Miller Puckette
: http://anorg.net/datentausch/wavebeforesafe.jpg and after saving and reopen: http://anorg.net/datentausch/waveaftersave.jpg i compiled PD with -fPIC -march=athlon64 should this be fixed with this version? best marc On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 08:58:59 -0800 Miller Puckette [EMAIL

Re: [PD] update for the cos~-help patch

2007-02-14 Thread Miller Puckette
Thanks... I went and edited it some. M On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 04:20:07PM +0100, Matteo.sistisette wrote: Hi, I\'m not sure whether this is the correct place to post this; in case it is not, I apologize, and may someone pleas redirect me? It has been known for ages (as a search through

Re: [PD] System Versions for previous message.

2007-02-21 Thread Miller Puckette
So, (on Fedora 2) what I get is that the five tables (assuming I opened them before whacking the 440 button, e.g.) have all their points fly far above the visible region of the window. The bug I then see is the long-standing one, which is that for teh life of me I can't figure out how to get the

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tcl/tk 8.5, antialising, and large fonts lead to huge cpu overhead bug?

2007-02-21 Thread Miller Puckette
Is there a way to disable proportional fonts? THat might be all we need... cheers M On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:33:54AM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: You're right, it definitely shouldn't be that bad. Have you tried this same test on different platforms, or with different versions of

Re: [PD] System Versions for previous message.

2007-02-21 Thread Miller Puckette
at the list. On OS X, all of the table entries are updated as expected. On Feb 21, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: So, (on Fedora 2) what I get is that the five tables (assuming I opened them before whacking the 440 button, e.g.) have all their points fly far above

Re: [PD] Packing pointers into lists

2007-03-04 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, I think I should fix this... it adds an ugly layer of complication to the list object but I think it would be inconsistent simply to refuse to handle them. And yes, it's a bug that they currently just get passed through without making the necessary consistency checks. cheers Miller On Thu,

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-03-04 Thread Miller Puckette
The growth seems to come from TK... I added a correction (g_canvas.c, line 1051) but it looks like I'd better go adjust it again... cheers Miller On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:43:41PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roman Haefeli wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 22:34 +0100, Derek Holzer wrote:

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-03-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Looks like that's purely TK trying to help... ugh. cheers Miller On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 07:15:48PM +0900, hard off wrote: cheers miller, that would be awesome. sorry to keep this going, but what about bug #2: 2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed, wander

Re: [PD] [msgfile] and [textfile] problems.

2007-03-06 Thread Miller Puckette
I think making a stack size startup option would be a Good Thing and will stick it on my list... but I agree with other messages that it would be wiser to write the patch iteratively, especially since I'm not dead sure [textfile] is totally safe for re-entrant use. (I know of a reentrancy but in

Re: [PD] PD vista compatability

2007-03-06 Thread Miller Puckette
I'm curious too if anyone is getting Pd to run (or not) in Vista... I don't have any Vista machines and dread having to set one up :) There are rumors of flaky sound drivers in Vista so it's quite possible it's the realtek at fault; but there could also be latent bugs in Pd. I believe Pd is only

Re: [PD] GOP and menu displacements [was: oldschool rave synths]

2007-03-15 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm... it's an aesthetic idea not to clip graphics to rectangular bounds (so graphs can go out of their 'boxes') but it's another problem what to do when someone drags an object to a place with negative cordinates. I think it should stay where you put it and the GUI should just adjust scroll

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts

2007-04-16 Thread Miller Puckette
I think that, since font sizes now differ between platforms, it's probably OK to introduce a new, uniform font size as long as it doesn't exceed that of any currently used one by more than about a pixel... and indeed, it will be a huge benefit to get this straightened out at last! cheers Miller

[PD] can't run Gem in Fedora with generic graphics (no GLX shader)?

2007-04-17 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, I've been trying to compile and run Gem on my Fedora 5 box, i386, clean install, on-board Intel graphics. Gem fails to load complaining as follows: $ pd/bin/pd -nogui -lib Gem/src/Gem ./Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: ./Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: +glGetShaderInfoLog Gem/src/Gem:

Re: [PD] can't run Gem in Fedora with generic graphics (no GLX shader)?

2007-04-17 Thread Miller Puckette
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:26:31PM -0500, chris clepper wrote: You can run configure with the option --with-glversion=1.5 which might help. It is very odd that just one of the functions out of dozens supporting shaders is not found though. On 4/17/07, Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [PD] can't run Gem in Fedora with generic graphics (no GLX shader)?

2007-04-18 Thread Miller Puckette
2. split Gem into a core library (with almost no objects and dependencies) and a whole bunch of single-object externals. so if the [glsl_vertex] object uses calls unknown to your driver, this object will refrain from loading but it won't hinder Gem from working. Perhaps this is not

Re: [PD] can't run Gem in Fedora with generic graphics (no GLX shader)?

2007-04-19 Thread Miller Puckette
Oh yes, I had tried disable-ARB hoping that would turn off glsl :) I haven't tried --with-glversion... will do that next time I guess. thanks Miller On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:58:26AM +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Miller Puckette wrote: .hc I agree with Hans-Christohpe. I finally

Re: [PD] Control-edit syndrome

2007-05-01 Thread Miller Puckette
On Tue, 1 May 2007 17:09:02 +0200 Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Has anyone of you ever experimented this? You are browsing the folders in your computer. Before you click on a file name to rename the file, you instinctively hit CTRL+E expecting your mouse cursor tu turn

Re: [PD] mod~ ???

2007-05-09 Thread Miller Puckette
Oops.. that's a bug. To work around it for now, add 1 (or a higher integer), then wrap... cheers Miller On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 09:40:53PM +0200, Steffen wrote: On 07/05/2007, at 20.51, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Note: 0 - [wrap~] - 1, which is weird (and undesirable in my eyes). Yeah.

Re: [PD] Bidirectional Module Problem - dynamically changing delwrite?

2007-05-15 Thread Miller Puckette
Yep, I should have thought of that before... I'll stick it on my dolist. Meantime, if the number of possible sources is reasonably small, just make delread~ objects for all of them and use multiplication to select which one :) cheers Miller On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 06:10:25PM +0100, Kim Taylor

[PD] Theory and Techniques book available from World Scientific Press

2007-05-29 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, The book, Theory and Techniques of Electronic Music, is now available on paper from World Scientific Press: http://www.worldscibooks.com/compsci/6277.html It's still maintained on-line at the usual location: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm cheers Miller

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-05-31 Thread Miller Puckette
Just to offer my two cents... The great majority of DSP objects are side-effect-free and thread-safe. In the base Pd distribution, I believe the main ones which are not are delread~/write~ (etc), tabread~/write~ (etc), send~/receive~, throw~/catch~, expr~, and dac~. If these objects were

Re: [PD] unposting text from the console.

2007-07-06 Thread Miller Puckette
I recommend in French to call it, dP, in order to avoid confusion... cheers Miller On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 12:27:03PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Steffen wrote: On 30/06/2007, at 19.29, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: If DD is a size, I wonder how big the PD size is. fyi,

Re: [PD] pd on Vista: MIDI latency

2007-07-10 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Bjoern, I haven't got hold of a Vista machine yet, but will give Pd a thorough test on it as soon as I can. I'm sure there's going to be lots of trouble! cheers Miller On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 11:32:37AM -0700, Bjoern Hartmann wrote: Does anyone have experience running pd with MIDI input on

Re: [PD] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-12 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd does a seteuid(setuid()) to un-get root priveliges if run as setuid, after its priority gets promoted, so that it runs as the user who started it. But there are apparently loopholes, as Mathieu has found. I'm trying to repeat Frank's trick with /etc/security/limits.conf, so far without

Re: [PD] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-13 Thread Miller Puckette
Aha, on the next boot it worked. Thanks! Miller On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 07:43:10AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: Pd does a seteuid(setuid()) to un-get root priveliges if run as setuid, after its priority gets promoted, so

Re: [PD] setuid WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-14 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Hans, In general, I've held off fixing bugs in 0.39 for fear of introducing new problems, especially since you've been working for so long to get Pd extended out. But this one is special since it's a security leak, so I'm inclined to fix it. If past experience is any guide, I'll make a

Re: [PD] puredata system architecture

2007-07-16 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a sketchy description in: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/icmc96.ps Some of the details didn't come out as planned there but the client/server setup at least didn't change. cheers M On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 09:34:54PM +0200, Sergi Lario wrote: I am looking for documentation

Re: [PD] puredata system architecture

2007-07-16 Thread Miller Puckette
Sure enough. Pd's design is based on assumtions made in 1996 that are starting to look dated... it might be time for someone younger than me to re-think the whole edifice :) M On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:49:04PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller

[PD] Pd not working on Vista?

2007-07-19 Thread Miller Puckette
HI all, I heard from two people on the list that Pd is having trouble running on Vista. I just borrowed a vista machine and ran Pd 0.40-2 (the current stable version) and it ran OK for me. This was on a 32-bit centrino machine. If any of you are still having trouble running the current version

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions

2007-07-22 Thread Miller Puckette
It's lame, but the idea behind the original design of pack/unpack was to have the argument lists look the same. So, to send a variety of (known-type) data down a send/receive channel or whatnot, one could use pack tea for 2 and a corresponding unpack tea for 2. Of course, that in the unpack

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions

2007-07-22 Thread Miller Puckette
Sure enough... It does not work in Pd. I checked and it still worked in Max/FTS vintage 1993, so it's Pd at fault :) M On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 05:12:31PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: It's lame, but the idea behind the original design of pack

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] the end of type restrictions

2007-07-22 Thread Miller Puckette
-extant pack. On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 09:21:38PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 05:12:31PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: There's no way to use tea and for as being default values in that context. Sure enough... It does not work

Re: [PD] [PD + GEM] Siggraph

2007-08-03 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a SIGGRAPH-associated art show at CALIT2 (UCSD) where I work - I'll be checking that out but probably won't make it down to siggraph proper. cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 02:11:18PM -0400, David Merrill wrote: Hello everyone - I'll be at Siggraph, showing a project that has pd

Re: [PD] [PD + GEM] Siggraph

2007-08-03 Thread Miller Puckette
impressive CALIT2 tour. California residents will know exactly where their exorbitant taxes get spent! ;) On 8/3/07, Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a SIGGRAPH-associated art show at CALIT2 (UCSD) where I work - I'll be checking that out but probably won't make it down

Re: [PD] [PD + GEM] Siggraph

2007-08-03 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, I'll be around afterward, although the shuttle busses won't be running any more... if you e-mail me early next week we can compare schedules and figure something out. cheers M On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 03:29:11PM -0400, marius schebella wrote: Miller Puckette wrote: http

Re: [PD] writesf~ question

2007-08-10 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi David, Once your disk is filled, a write operation wil fail and writesf~ should stop then. cheers M On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:07:10AM -0400, David F. Place wrote: Hello: This seems like it must be a FAQ, but I have not been able to find the answer searching the archives. What is

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
In vanilla at least, -stdpath and -nostdpath simpl turn on and off searching in the extra directory of Pd. It takes no argument. cheers Miller On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:26:05PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: hi i just figured out, that i don't know how to use [declare -stdpath]. the

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
-0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:26:05PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: i just figured out, that i don't know how to use [declare -stdpath]. the In vanilla at least, -stdpath and -nostdpath simpl turn on and off searching

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
/whatever/classname.suffix' or '/path_of_the_patch/argument_i_give_to_declare. roman On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 15:06 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: Oops, my mistake. In declare systax, -stdpath does take an argument... if you give it foo/bar, for example, the directory searched is .../pd

Re: [PD] [declare -stdpath] relative to what?

2007-08-11 Thread Miller Puckette
I think it's got declare all over the place, but no declare -stdpath, which is the only source of trouble. cheers M On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 05:41:50PM -0700, Jaime Oliver wrote: pdrp has it... On 8/11/07, Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 16:18 -0700, Miller

Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again

2007-08-15 Thread Miller Puckette
I think most of the 64-bit bugs only got cleaned up for 0.41 (and the test version in CVS is pretty stable at the moment) cheers M On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 02:37:34AM +0200, Malte Steiner wrote: Hello, I tested pd 0.40-2 (its also in Debian Lenny) on 64 Studio and still got the table

Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again

2007-08-16 Thread Miller Puckette
too -- I'll probably upload changes to CVS after another day or so of testing. cheers Miller On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +0200, Winfried Ritsch wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. August 2007 03:59 schrieb Malte Steiner: Miller Puckette wrote: I think most of the 64-bit bugs only got cleaned up

Re: [PD] difference send and using msg with ;

2007-08-16 Thread Miller Puckette
I've never profiled it, but I think for a single number, using a send object is more efficient, but for anything else (like if you have to use a message box anyway to format the message or if you're sending more than one) the message box wins. cheers Miller On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 12:36:33PM

Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again

2007-08-17 Thread Miller Puckette
find out the bad objects... ? mfg winfried cheers Miller On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +0200, Winfried Ritsch wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. August 2007 03:59 schrieb Malte Steiner: Miller Puckette wrote: I think most of the 64-bit bugs only got cleaned up for 0.41

Re: [PD] Re-targeting sends.

2007-08-18 Thread Miller Puckette
I can't remember when I put it in, but send with no arguments now sprouts a second inlet to set the receiver. cheers Miller On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 11:37:10PM -0400, marius schebella wrote: you are right. although I heard some talking about new features with pd 0.40 or 0.41??? frank

Re: [PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-19 Thread Miller Puckette
Resizing large memory objects in a real-time thread can block as the OS pages other memory out to disk... so the operation is never safe unless done in a separate thread. This would be a major change, and would move in the direction of making Pd harder to maintain in the long term. Fixing the

Re: [PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-19 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, me, I think it's better to preallocate the table objects to a size at least as large as will be needed, in advance. cheers M On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 02:34:22PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Miller Puckette wrote: Fixing the tabread~ object to do a double

Re: [PD] Obscure pd externals in search path shadow .pd files in current working directory

2007-09-01 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Julius, I think that seq isn??t getting shadowed (the patc's directory is always searched first) but rather, that once an extern is loaded of a certain name, Pd no longer searches for abstractions of the same name. It's as if you tried to name an abstraction float or something -- C objects,

Re: [PD] looking for miller's vocoder

2007-09-05 Thread Miller Puckette
-0400, patrick wrote: hi, at the surprising performance of miller puckette and friends, i was very astonished on how good the vocoder was. is it possible to try this patch? thanks, pat ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account

Re: [PD] select backward compatibility

2007-09-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Supposedly, list and bang are identical. I think the right way to print an empty list is to print bang. But then again, if you're asked what the selector is, I suppose it could be legitimately described as either 'list' or 'bang' - each carries a risk of confusion. cheers Miller On Thu, Sep

Re: [PD] glitchy [tabread] or ..?

2007-09-14 Thread Miller Puckette
You need version 0.41 (only out in a test version so far, but it seems quite stable at teh moment.) cheers Miller On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 09:32:27PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 09:13:48AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: //

Re: [PD] GEM glsl error

2007-09-15 Thread Miller Puckette
This happened to me too. I had to track down the Gem objects using glsl, delete them, and recompile Gem. An alternative is to use the --with-glversion switch; this appeared on an earlier thread, http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-04/049179.html It's odd that the Gem binaries as

Re: [PD] GEM glsl error

2007-09-15 Thread Miller Puckette
hardware that masquerades as a full GPU (Intel). On 9/15/07, Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This happened to me too. I had to track down the Gem objects using glsl, delete them, and recompile Gem. An alternative is to use the --with-glversion switch; this appeared

Re: [PD] Makefile.in needs corrections

2007-09-16 Thread Miller Puckette
Thanks... I'll do it. M On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:40:28AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. a while ago i have discovered that the Makefile (from vanilla tree) is not installing some files very right .. it gives an executable permission to some regular files , the help-patches and

Re: [PD] [; pd init(

2007-09-20 Thread Miller Puckette
the existing features I feel I should keep them around for backward compatibility. cheers Miller On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 09:58:19AM +0100, Jamie Bullock wrote: On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 10:51 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: init is one of many messages that Pd and its gui send back and forth

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-22 Thread Miller Puckette
I believe Pd on Mac and Linux just uses whatever TK your machine has installed. (On windows I have to include TK in the Pd release, so it's fixed at 8.4 something I believe.) cheers Miller On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:22:26AM -0400, patrick wrote: hi, i just installed pd-0.40.3 from miller's

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-22 Thread Miller Puckette
This is why I'm thinking about what I call the nuclear option: separating all text into separate lines and controlling the vertical spacing from within Pd. I don't wanna do it, but it might be the only way out. cheers M On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 02:22:21PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat,

Re: [PD] one laptop per child

2007-09-24 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, they only have 512M of 'disk' (actually flash) so they're only doing each thing one particular way... so Pd won't be part of it, since csound is the official music package. There's a whole GUI superstructure they're defining from scratch, targetted specifically for school-age children.

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-24 Thread Miller Puckette
The problem I'm having is that there seems to be no reliable way to get a text font of a desired size using the Tk font primitives. In practice you can get a fixed-width font with a particular pixel width, but then the heights vary widely. If I simply fixed the height myself from Pd, it would be

Re: [PD] one laptop per child

2007-09-25 Thread Miller Puckette
targetted GUI for Csound? I really think Pd would be the better choice, (you also can teach 3d drawing with GEM). anyway, a dedicated OX Pd would be nice to have. marius. Miller Puckette wrote: Well, they only have 512M of 'disk' (actually flash) so they're only doing each thing one

Re: [PD] pd-0.40.3 anti-aliased (screenshot)

2007-09-25 Thread Miller Puckette
of pixel sizes, at least in my tests. .hc On Sep 24, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: The problem I'm having is that there seems to be no reliable way to get a text font of a desired size using the Tk font primitives. In practice you can get a fixed-width font

Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time

2007-10-03 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, now has anyone noticed that Pd (first time after booting) starts up progressively more slowly over the months you own a linux machine? I'm suspicious that there's a correlation with how much software you have loaded on the machine. Maybe having lots of shared libraries and programs to use

Re: [PD] Trying to implement switch ramp

2007-10-04 Thread Miller Puckette
This seems to be a fundamental limitation with block-based DSP panguages - you can get 1-sample DSP/control/DSP turnaround only if you're content to wait for the next block boundary -- if you want to be able to name any sample you want, then the minimum turnaround delay is one block. I waxed a

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] openpanel length limit on OSX and linux

2007-10-04 Thread Miller Puckette
I looked, and I think it's just the print object that truncates the symbol on printing. In s_print, you can change the postatom() function to print bigger strings. I'll go on and chance my copy to use MAXPDSTRING there, just to see what that will break :) M On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:47:07PM

Re: [PD] testing 0.41-0test6 notes

2007-10-12 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Ilya, Thanks for reporting this... any idea whether it takes days or weeks to crash? Also, are you using ALSA and what audio hardware? (that's usually where the trouble comes in :) Miller On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 08:55:11AM +, ilya .d wrote: i have been running the 0.41-0test6 for a

[PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.41 test 07 released

2007-11-13 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd 0.41 test 07 is on the usual: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm (not yet compiled for the old OSX 10.3, but OK for all other platforms.) ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

Re: [PD] floating point exception (core dumped)

2007-11-18 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Enrike, you might be able at least to open the patch by running Pd with the -noloadbang startup flag. cheers Miller On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:56:01AM +0100, altern wrote: hi I just added a spectrum visualization to my patch taken from example E01.spectrum.pd . Activating this causes

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, didn't think of checking on that... I'll give it a try. Thanks for the warning. Miller On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:33:29AM +0100, cyrille henry wrote: hello, i'm using latest pd test version on miller website. depending on my screen(s) resolution the size of pd font change a lot. see

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Ok, try test 08 :) M On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 07:31:57AM -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmm, didn't think of checking on that... I'll give it a try. Thanks for the warning. Miller On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:33:29AM +0100, cyrille henry wrote: hello, i'm using latest pd test version

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-23 Thread Miller Puckette
- the font size of text in the main pd window is still change - the font size of the comment (canvas label) that i use in the _gemwin gop abstraction are also changing. should i upload new snapshot? thanks, Cyrille Miller Puckette a ?crit : Ok, try test 08 :) M On Fri, Nov 23

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-11-24 Thread Miller Puckette
I favor the negative-font-size approach since it makes it possible for future extesions to control their own behavior. cheers Miller On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 06:35:12PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Nov 23, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2007,

Re: [PD] control-click in edit mode is gone

2007-12-04 Thread Miller Puckette
I think it's a real question whether it's better to have Pd act similarly across all platforms or whether it's best to adapt key bindings, etc., to specific ones. Certainly the first solution makes long-term maintainabilty (a high priority for me) easier. cheers Miller On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at

Re: [PD] 0.41.08 - font size

2007-12-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Yep, this is fixed in my version (I think) but Ihaven't yet been able to test it on all platforms (which I prefer to do before releasing new 'tests'... cheers Miller On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 03:17:33PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig

Re: [PD] Meaning of -noprefs

2007-12-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, I think -noprefs should stop .pdrc as well, since it's in the spirit of being able to find out whether a problem is coming from the configuration or from Pd itself. If it's reasonably easy to do I'll change that. That said, I think .pdrc should be regarded as deprecated, unless there's

Re: [PD] pd 0.41.0 test07 font size

2007-12-06 Thread Miller Puckette
Well, not much has happened, but the test version is stable enough it seems better to work toward a stable version of teh present state than to try to add all the features I want to put in next :) M On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:17:19AM +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Miller Puckette wrote: OK

Re: [PD] array indirection

2007-12-08 Thread Miller Puckette
I've wanted to do this too -- for instance, to have a large collection of arrays and a window that could see one of them at a time to edit them. It's a bit complicated to do it because every array would have to maintain a dynamic collection of pointers to every window (there could be meny) in

Re: [PD] Pd -extended 0.41 on debian : missing lib

2007-12-09 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd 'vanilla' requires 8.3 or up. cheers M On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Currently, the dependencies for the nightly builds are hard coded, and are set to support Debian/stable. I set the Debian/testing

Re: [PD] kml files

2007-12-13 Thread Miller Puckette
If I'm doing it right, single precision float should be able to represent latitude and longitude to within about two meters. If more precision than that is needed, you'll want to use tr to change periods (as well as commas) into spaces so that you get lines like: -112 3348783983763 36

Re: [PD] What exactly is a stack overflow ?

2007-12-20 Thread Miller Puckette
... and to wade in, here's an idea I'm toying with: every 1000 or so bangs that until sends out, check the CPU clock. Each time more than a second elapses, go check the input buffer from the GUI, and execute it (so that mouse clicks would appear within the context of the until loop!) This would

Re: [PD] Pd sets dirty flag on all parent patches when a child abstraction is modified

2007-12-24 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a longstanding bug: when you edit an abstraction, Pd then recreates all copies of that abstraction, which has the side effect of dirtying all parent patches. I think it's on my very long list of bugs to deal with... :) cheers Miller On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 07:51:32PM -0800, Luke

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41 test 10 released

2007-12-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Pd 0.41-0 test 10 is ready: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html The only major new feature in 0.41 is callback scheduling; this got a few new rounds of debugging since test 09. cheers Miller ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41 test 10 released

2007-12-28 Thread Miller Puckette
I should have put the lock in and forgot... thanks for the reminder. I'm not at all sure how to handle idle in the callback case. One could just call the function forever, but that seems like burning the CPU for nothing. Alternatively, idle processing might want to take place in a different

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41 test 10 released

2007-12-30 Thread Miller Puckette
, 2007 at 08:47:26PM +0100, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 28.12.2007 um 20:25 schrieb Miller Puckette: I should have put the lock in and forgot... thanks for the reminder. I'm not at all sure how to handle idle in the callback case. One could just call the function forever, but that seems like

Re: [PD] about fiddle~

2008-01-11 Thread Miller Puckette
HI all, I don't know any canonical way to decide when a note is finished, except to notice that a new note has started. But it's probably possible to use the discrete output of fiddle~ to catch note-on events and then make up criteria that define endings of notes based on either pitch deviation

Re: [PD] Pd version 0.41-0 test 10 - path crashing

2008-01-13 Thread Miller Puckette
OK, this should be fixed the next test version - thanks for warning me. Miller On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:29:44AM -0500, patrick wrote: hi miller, thanks for the effort on 0.41 test 10, i can edit more externals from Startup screen (38 on in 1280x1024) but pd-extended + xsample, py etc..

Re: [PD] A limited in range numeric box and [ctlin]

2008-01-14 Thread Miller Puckette
There's a larger issue too. In Max, sliders, toggles, etc. pass integers through even if they're out of the nominal range of the object; I just recently noticed that in Pd the IEM GUIs clip pass-through values to the range of the object. I'd love to change this but it would probably break 100s

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41-0 test 11 released

2008-01-16 Thread Miller Puckette
on http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html . Will update documentation, and failing new bug reports, finalize it soon. cheers Miller ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

Re: [PD] about fiddle~

2008-01-17 Thread Miller Puckette
for the clarifications and suggestions I received. 2008/1/11, Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know any canonical way to decide when a note is finished, except to notice that a new note has started. That's very interesting: it reveals to me how wrong my way of conceiving the whole thing

Re: [PD] Problem in os x 10.5.1?

2008-01-18 Thread Miller Puckette
ouch. The offending code is probably between the fork and exec in t_tkcmd.c (circa line 423). The only function call between them is a sprintf, wouldn't you know. Perhaps it will fix the problem if I do the sprintf before forking? I don't have 10.5.1 to test this on, so if it's easy for you to

Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, are people having trouble finding the audio and midi settings hidden away in prefernces on Apples? Maybe I should move it back where it belongs under media, or else include it both places. (I doubt that's Marco's problem, but I always have trouble finding it myself :) M On Wed, Jan 23,

Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness

2008-01-23 Thread Miller Puckette
it does and make sre it keeps doing that. cheers Miller On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:48:50PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 08:25 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmm. It never occured to me that people would want to put declare objects inside abstractions (I think it's unwise

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