Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica.
That was commonly reported from Japan around 1976, soon after the
introduction of the MX. Some Japanese folks perceived the MX as the new
Stan Halpin wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:24:47 -0700
Jim, I read this piece last night (after W. Robb kindly pointed out how I
needed to access the site. Duh.)
My recollection/interpretation of the key points the author was making is as
follows:
a. Close enough is good enough. Set the
Kenneth Waller
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On 11-04-13 8:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Sigh. Make that made without
On 11-04-12 10:58 PM, Jim King wrote:
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will for
some of you as well:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...
Regards, Jim
Whoa! That
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the paragraph.
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To be fair, his arguments are not without merit. I'm always
suspicious, however, when anyone quotes Pirsig. Ultimately, Pirsig's
view of quality is an I know it when I see it argument. It's not
wrong, just difficult to apply and even harder to adjudicate when
there is a difference of opinion.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the paragraph.
I'll do that
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While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long
does he really expect to be using his camera? You have to move on at
some point.
It's nostalgia speaking here. It's hip to say that you shoot film,
and that you shot film before it was cool. Guess what, the rest of
the
Jim King wrote on Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:58:35 -0700
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will
for
some of you as well:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...
Lots
I appreciate that the old film cameras had a longer lifespan than the
digital ones. The problem is that for many of us color was a thing
left to the labs, whereas BW was a medium were we could do some PP.
Now color is there as well.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com
I'm not a professional, and really not even a craftsman, but I
recognize a superiority complex when I see one.Defense of the old
ways in the name of professionalism is a fine way of looking down
one's nose at all who differ from one's own way of doing things.
Dan
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at
Daniel J. Matyola wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:33:00 -0700
I'm not a professional, and really not even a craftsman, but I
recognize a superiority complex when I see one.Defense of the old
ways in the name of professionalism is a fine way of looking down
one's nose at all who differ from
OMG! All one paragraph. It's unreadable.
The part I managed to get through before my eyes and brain hurt seemed silly
and obvious.
Paul
On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
To be fair, his arguments are not without merit. I'm always
suspicious, however, when anyone quotes
Paul Stenquist wrote:
OMG! All one paragraph. It's unreadable.
The part I managed to get through before my eyes and brain hurt seemed silly
and obvious.
There's a story Galen Rowell related in one of his books about the
post-workshop slide presentations he always used to have.
Each
From: Mark Roberts
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the paragraph.
I also disagreed with his definition of professionalism.
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From: Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote:
OMG! All one paragraph. It's unreadable.
The part I managed to get through before my eyes and brain hurt seemed silly
and obvious.
There's a story Galen Rowell related in one of his books about the
post-workshop slide presentations he always used to
Mark wrote:
Doug Brewer and I see a similar effect at the GFM photo contest we
judge: the people who mess up the (very simple) file-naming convention
never produce winning photos.
Anyway, I think the article in question shows that a similar
phenomenon exists with regards to the written word.
I
On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:49 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
That doesn't, however, make the opposite true.
My file names were *PERFECT*!
I saw a photographer drinking a Pina Colada at Grandfather mountain,
his filenames were perfect.
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The first couple sentences...
The last few weeks I took pictures with a fifty-year-old Leica M3 that
recently has been serviced with minor adjustments. This was the first
overhaul in half a century and given the small amount of repairs it should
now be fit for another half century.
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect
it will for some of you as well:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese
Leica...
Regards, Jim
Whoa! That article amply demonstrates why
While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long
does he really expect to be using his camera? You have to move on at
some point.
Why?
That's just a justification for built-in obsolescence to satisfy the
manufacturers, not the consumers.
It's nostalgia speaking
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
Why?
That's just a justification for built-in obsolescence to satisfy the
manufacturers, not the consumers.
While it would be nice for a camera to last forever, I don't see much
to complain about in relation to the days of
On 2011-04-13 11:32, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I appreciate that the old film cameras had a longer lifespan than the
digital ones. The problem is that for many of us color was a thing
left to the labs, whereas BW was a medium were we could do some PP.
Now color is there as well.
I started
On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Jim King wrote:
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will
for some of you as well:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html
I find that his writing displays neither professionalism, nor craftsmanship.
Like others, I
MARK!
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
The stereotypical Leica owner does have a reputation for being a Puts, though
it's usually spelled a little differently.
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On 4/13/2011 9:39 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the paragraph.
I'll do that
Dave
Given the perversity of the universe,
I just loaded film into my ~30 year old LX, damn that camera is a joy to
hold.
On 4/13/2011 10:12 AM, David Parsons wrote:
While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long
does he really expect to be using his camera? You have to move on at
some point.
It's nostalgia
On Apr 13, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
MARK!
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
The stereotypical Leica owner does have a reputation for being a Puts,
though it's usually spelled a little differently.
It's actually fairly common that
Writing such as this is more likely the result of a compensated
inferiority complex.
On 4/13/2011 11:32 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I'm not a professional, and really not even a craftsman, but I
recognize a superiority complex when I see one.Defense of the old
ways in the name of
On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
On 4/13/2011 9:39 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the paragraph.
I'll do
On 2011-04-13 14:25, Bob W wrote:
Erwin Puts hardly ever writes anything worth reading, paragraphs or not.
Har! I didn't even notice that! I'd change my name!
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I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has
provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at
least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old,
unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3.
On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Bob W wrote:
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has
provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at
least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old,
Larry Colen wrote:
My C3 does have one significant advantage of over an M3. I have a C3 and
not an M3.
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I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has
provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at
least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old,
unadjusted Argus C3 brick against
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I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in
all
respects expect brickiness.
Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question?
behind
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long
does he really expect to be using his camera? You have to move on at
some point.
Why?
That's just a justification for built-in obsolescence to satisfy
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While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how
long
does he really expect to be using his camera? You have to move on
at
some point.
Why?
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote:
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will
for some of you as well:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html
Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica.
That was commonly reported from Japan around 1976, soon after the
introduction of the MX. Some Japanese folks perceived the MX as the new
Leica: small, basic, smooth and pleasant to use. In other
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica.
That was commonly reported from Japan around 1976, soon after the
introduction of the MX. Some Japanese folks perceived
On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has
provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at
least to challenge him to a photo
On 14/04/2011 01:01, Larry Colen wrote:
On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question?
The first time I drove a Dodge van on the track, I was turning faster laptimes
in my van than I had been in my Corolla. I was also turning
On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Bob W wrote:
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has
provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs.
Larry Colen wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:18:16 -0700
(snip)
I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for
annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than
other brands, but cost so much less.
Hah! I was hoping that someone other than me
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:25:25 -0700
LOL ... I have never heard Pentax referred to as the Japanese Leica.
I read it somewhere, probably Modern Photography way back in the day when
Herbert Keppler was still active.
Leica is most reknowned for its lenses and rangefinder
Well, one problem with his arguments is figuring out what the
hell his arguments are. Numbers aren't everything? Absolutely. Any
numbers in particular or are we just generally embracing innumeracy?
And what precisely does this have to do with his old Leica? There
were good lenses in the
Sigh. Make that made without computer help. It's hard to find
reading glasses that focus well for me on computer screens.
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, one problem with his arguments is figuring out what the
hell his arguments are.
On 2011-04-12 20:58 , Jim King wrote:
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will for
some of you as well:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
okay -- i'll bite; i find Erwin Puts' essay to wishy-washy; it's
internally contradictory; he seems to
On 11-04-13 8:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Sigh. Make that made without computer help. It's hard to find
reading glasses that focus well for me on computer screens.
Don't bother -- get two pairs of glasses: readers and computer. That's
what I concluded and it works well. Reading glasses
: Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism
On 2011-04-12 20:58 , Jim King wrote:
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will
for some of you as well:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
okay -- i'll bite; i find Erwin Puts' essay to wishy
Are there monitor glasses?
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On 11-04-13 8:39 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Sigh. Make that made without
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Subject: Re: Glasses [Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism]
Yes, in the following sense. My optometrist asks me what my intended
use for the glasses is, I say computer monitor, he gets me to sit in
front of an LCD monitor as I would normally, measures
On 13/04/2011 12:36 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:
While it would be nice for a camera to last forever, I don't see much
to complain about in relation to the days of film.
My K10D is 4 years old. It still works fine. I want a K-5,
On 13/04/2011 1:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
MARK!
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote:
The stereotypical Leica owner does have a reputation for being a Puts, though
it's usually spelled a little differently.
Please no. I just read the online version of
On 13/04/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for
annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than
other brands, but cost so much less.
Just the lenses. The bodies are, for the most part, pretty
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:08 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
Out of curiosity, what have you spent on computers, storage media and
software (be honest, what would you have spent if you hadn't stolen your
software, for example)
I'm a computer geek. Photo editing is not the
On 13/04/2011 8:18 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:
I'm a computer geek. Photo editing is not the driver of my hardware
purchases; my old Athlon 64 ran Bibble just fine. My marginal cost has
been Bibble Lite at $99 and IMatch at whatever it cost ($100), four
years ago when I bought my K10D. I'm likely
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:33 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
I would say you are the exception, not the rule.
I would say that you are older than I am.
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On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:33 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 13/04/2011 8:18 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:
I'm a computer geek. Photo editing is not the driver of my hardware
purchases; my old Athlon 64 ran Bibble just fine. My marginal cost has
been Bibble Lite at $99 and IMatch at whatever it cost
On 2011-04-13 19:44 , drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been trying to do this myself with cheap readers with mixed success. I
guess I may need a pro.
i use 1.25 regular readers (which i even need for distance viewing),
but i prefer 1.50 for my computer displays (which are more than an arm's
On 4/13/2011 5:14 PM, Bob W wrote:
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has
provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at
least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old,
unadjusted Argus
On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Jim King wrote:
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:25:25 -0700
[Much commentary clipped from the original]
Equipment cannot make photographs. Only people can. People with eyes,
sensitivity, and skill to know how to work the equipment. Truly
On Apr 13, 2011, at 11:01 PM, steve harley wrote:
On 2011-04-13 19:44 , drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been trying to do this myself with cheap readers with mixed success. I
guess I may need a pro.
i use 1.25 regular readers (which i even need for distance viewing), but i
prefer 1.50 for
On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Jim King wrote:
Larry Colen wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:18:16 -0700
(snip)
I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for
annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than
other brands, but cost so much
On 2011-04-13 21:29 , Stan Halpin wrote:
On Apr 13, 2011, at 11:01 PM, steve harley wrote:
i use 1.25 regular readers (which i even need for distance viewing), but i
prefer 1.50 for my computer displays (which are more than an arm's length away) and
especially for reading my iPhone
Are you
On 2011-04-13 23:39, Larry Colen wrote:
Actually, I'm a little disappointed that so much of the commentary on this post
has centered on form rather than substance...
I think that in large part this is because the post itself
was more about form than substance. He was lauding the
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BTW, now do they say that the Leica is the German Pentax?
stan
On Apr 12, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Jim King wrote:
This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will
for some of you as well:
On 12/04/2011 9:05 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
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Thanks Bill. I thought I had tried that variation. Too much tequila tonight, I
was working on tax returns . . .
stan
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