Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The wealth of a household = disposable income + unpaid work.
You wouldn't catch me saying that. If I was married and said things like
that, my wife would have a fit, and boot me out.
Why, it would be the truth. The man who fixes a car or paints a room or
shovels the snow
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
That's how things are in a number of households in many societies,
but men would benefit if their wives made wages equal to theirs or
higher wages than theirs and if combined incomes could purchase the
housework services on the market whose quality is better than what
the
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
That's how things are in a number of households in
many societies,
but men would benefit if their wives made wages
equal to theirs or
higher wages than theirs and if combined incomes
could purchase the
housework
Me, I always preferred Mickey Rat.
http://www.pulsatingdream.com/mickey_rat.html
=
*
the Council Republic is not the culmination of everything,
and even less does it stand for the most perfect form in
which humans can live
Hi Joanna,
Why, it would be the truth. The man who fixes a car or paints a room or
shovels the snow is equally unpaid and also contributes to the wealth of
the household.
If I counted out and priced all the voluntary work, or unpaid work I have
done in my life, I would be unaffordable. A
From eluniversal.com (one of the jineteros of Venezuela):
Peruvian writer Mario Vargas Llosa labeled President Hugo Chávez as a
very dangerous person who, besides destroying Venezuela, has become an
example of a populist leader who must be vanquished in a cultural war.
Vargas Llosa took part
* New York Times November 19, 2003
Report Finds Few Benefits for Mexico in Nafta
By CELIA W. DUGGER
As the North American Free Trade Agreement nears its 10th
anniversary, a study from the Carnegie Endowment for International
Peace concludes that the pact failed to generate substantial job
joanna bujes wrote:
Some years ago, when I worked for a large, multinational computer
company, I sent out an email to everyone in the company asking why men
don't do housework.
isnt most of what is called housework mostly a meaningless bourgeouis
activity? clean this, dust that, the sink
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/06/middle_east/index_np.html
Osama University?
Neoconservative critics have long charged Middle Eastern studies
departments with anti-American bias. Now they've enlisted Congress in
their crusade.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Michelle Goldberg
Nov. 6, 2003
Cabinet promotion for Hilary keeps it in the family
Proud moment for Tony as third generation Benn joins the club
Patrick Wintour, chief political correspondent
Monday October 06 2003
The Guardian
In his latest diaries, Free at Last, covering 1991 to 2001, Tony Benn
rarely hides the pride he
joanna wrote:
How do you measure the value of a woman's loving
attention and awareness of her children, without which an army of
shrinks couldn't fix the damage? I could go on a long time. But I'll
conclude by saying that economics (which finds its root meaning in the
running of the household)
It's pretty clear to me that men take a very different view of it than
women. At the same time, they seem to enjoy the comfort of a clean
house. I don't know why we'd call it bourgeois -- people have been
cleaning themselves and their houses for ever.
Joanna
ravi wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
It looks like gay marriage will be the wedge issue next year to take
people's attention away from the war in Iraq, environmental ravaging,
corporate looting, and other assorted crimes. It will also be useful in
marginalizing the few progressive Democrats left in politics.
--
Michael Perelman
My letter to the Senators:
18 November
2003
U.S. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald
555 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Fitzgerald,
I am writing to oppose the recent amendment to Title
VI of
joanna bujes wrote:
It's pretty clear to me that men take a very different view of it than
women. At the same time, they seem to enjoy the comfort of a clean
house. I don't know why we'd call it bourgeois -- people have been
cleaning themselves and their houses for ever.
sure we (men) might
I think it's a mistake to make a blanket generalization such as that men take a
very different view of it than women. At the same time, they seem to enjoy the
comfort of a clean house.
I do a heck of a lot of housework and related family-maintenance (baby-sitting) work.
My wife does, too,
but
I am always perplexed by the combination of an obsessive preoccupation of
Americans with sexual relations, and a puritan christianist morality which
stigmatises a frank and open discussion about it, which seems to lead to the
idea that expressing or using sexual imagery is okay, if it markets or
I have not been reading all the posts in this thread and may have
missed this. But Jurriaan gave a little bibliography and didn't list a
key book -- by a New Zealand woman, no less.
Marilyn Waring wrote If Women Counted, quite a moving and
persuasive book on valuing women. And there is a
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it's a mistake to make a blanket
generalization such as that men take a
very different view of it than women. At the same
time, they seem to enjoy the
comfort of a clean house.
I do a heck of a lot of housework and related
Jim wrote:
I do a heck of a lot of housework and related family-maintenance
(baby-sitting) work. My wife does, too,
but she cares less about the neatness of the house than I do.
The peculiar thing which Marx doesn't really mention in his 1844 Manuscripts
is how human species activities such as
"Marilyn Waring wrote If Women Counted, quite a moving and
persuasive book on valuing women. And there is a good video interviewing
her and about her.""
Yes I did read the book as a student, and later I
met her briefly when I worked for the New Zealand government in statistics,
pretty nice
Joanna wrote:
I don't know why we'd call [the comfort of a clean house] bourgeois --
people have been
cleaning themselves and their houses for ever.
We don't. You just have to decide whose side you're on here.
Jurriaan
I don't know what the hypothetical middle-class family does. The point
is...eventually...when the bag is full or when you have run out of clean
clothes...someone has to wash them and that someone often turns out to
be female -- whether she works full time or not.
Is enjoying a clean house the
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
I am always perplexed by the combination of an obsessive preoccupation of
Americans with sexual relations, and a puritan christianist morality which
stigmatises a frank and open discussion about it, which seems to lead to the
idea that expressing or using sexual imagery is
I had forgotten about James O' Connor's classic Fiscal Crisis of the State.
Max Sawicky was writing a review of it. Max, do you write the review?
May we read it?
yours, r
Thanks. I didn't know about the book. I saw the video and thought it was
excellent. But I think the video was called Who Counts.
Joanna
Eugene Coyle wrote:
I have not been reading all the posts in this thread and may have
missed this. But Jurriaan gave a little bibliography and didn't list
a
Americans are the most over-stimulated and under-gratified people in the
world. If you think about it, this is not a contradiction at all; the
one requires the other -- to ensure compulsive behavior...like shopping.
They can't be under-gratified, otherwise we would hear about it. Or is it
that
Never got to it. Still want to.
max
-Original Message-
From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rakesh
Bhandari
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: O Connor Fiscal Crisis of the State
I had forgotten about James O' Connor's classic
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
The peculiar thing which Marx doesn't really mention in his 1844 Manuscripts
is how human species activities such as caring for an infant can cease to
be fully human expressions which offer satisfaction or interest, but just
become work which has to be done, which we sigh
By excessive hygene can be a health problem also.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:52:41AM -0500, ravi wrote:
and even make sense (hygeine, etc). but as i outlined in my list, isnt
most of the stuff that the middle-class family, with the 2 1/2 kids
etc., occupies itself with in the name of
A Question of Fairness
PBS Airdate: Friday, November 21, 2003 at 9 p.m. (check local listings)
Robert Pollin
Founding Co-Director of the Political Economy Research Institute (PERI)
and
Professor of Economics at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.
In the United States, the idea that anyone
More interesting to me is the obsessive labeling.
Why does it matter
that one is homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual,
etc. What is any of this
about?
Don't you know ? Firstly, God forbids human pleasure
not in accordance with
his Law, and some people see themselves as
authorities
This setting itself apart and above always winds up
justifying some kind of class priviledge...and infects all our thinking
about the matter of mere reproduction.
Human life contains both alienation and the means to overcome alienation.
But the alienated condition may prevent us from
But therea re lot of people who have a visceral
disgust about sexual behavior different from theirs
that is independent of any religiosu beliefs.
Visceral? I'm skeptical. Aren't you the one who argues against the
causative value of inborn anything.
Do you mean visceral disgust independent of
I didn't say hardwired and independent of social
conditioning, I said visceral, meaning, gut,; I
wasn't speculating about its cause or origin. I used
to see this when I was teaching. Ohio students found
(male) homosexuality to be, eeww, yuck, gross,
dis-GUST-ing. How would you describe that except
joanna bujes wrote:
Is enjoying a clean house the same as enjoying an SUV? Odd question. Is
the enjoyment of clean air after the rain, the same as enjoying an SUV?
Clean means tidy (you can find things) and hygenic (food isn't
rotting)...besides, goddamn it, I've seen your house, it's
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
I didn't say hardwired and independent of social
conditioning, I said visceral, meaning, gut,; I
wasn't speculating about its cause or origin. I used
to see this when I was teaching. Ohio students found
(male) homosexuality to be, eeww, yuck, gross,
dis-GUST-ing.
But therea re lot of people who have a visceral
disgust about sexual behavior different from theirs
that is independent of any religiosu beliefs.
True. I wouldn't say I was a prude exactly, but I think I can be disgusted
to. I guess that for me though it is rarely the act itself, but more the
. Ohio students
found
(male) homosexuality to be, eeww, yuck, gross,
dis-GUST-ing.
your male students said eeww, yuck? that's so
gay!!
;-)
And my kids, male and female, until I reminded them
forcefully that their beloved godparents and auntie
are gay.
jks
Trotsky was the same way, insisting on ... keeping his rifle clean.
isn't it a good idea to clean your own rife, especially
if you fear assassination? it's like packing your own parachute.
jim
Well, Christ!, Justin. Many college students still find oral sex
viscerally disgusting...it takes a while. Besides, one thing I can tell
you is that while men may publically gag at the idea of having sex with
another man, when they get older, like say, after 40, they all start to
come clean about
It is a perfect wedge issue. It costs nothing, such as good health care
or eductation. Those who it upsets often get unglued by it, to the
exclusion of important issues that really affect them. It solidifies the
repug. base, while few Dems. will actually dare to advocate gay marriage.
It also
Yes, and? Look, I was just saying that I didn't think
that the only reason that homosexuslity was a
lightning rod was that people thought that God hates
fags. I said taht in my experience many peoples eem to
find the thought disgusting. I did not offer a theory
as to why. I did not say that the
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
That's how things are in a number of households in many societies,
but men would benefit if their wives made wages equal to theirs or
higher wages than theirs and if combined incomes could purchase the
housework services on the market whose quality is better than what
the
someone's got to argue that there are two types of marriage:
1) civil marriages (or civil unions), where the rights and responsibilities are
determined by the state.
2) religious marriages, where the rights and responsibilities are determined by the
religion.
It seems to me that the state
that is absolutely the point.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:45:59PM -0800, Devine, James wrote:
someone's got to argue that there are two types of marriage:
1) civil marriages (or civil unions), where the rights and responsibilities are
determined by the state.
2) religious marriages, where
fair enough. sorry--
Joanna
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
Yes, and? Look, I was just saying that I didn't think
that the only reason that homosexuslity was a
lightning rod was that people thought that God hates
fags. I said taht in my experience many peoples eem to
find the thought disgusting. I
Michael Perelman wrote:
that is absolutely the point.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:45:59PM -0800, Devine, James wrote:
someone's got to argue that there are two types of marriage:
I tend to see everything in terms of its relevance to building the core
of a mass movement against imperialism
joanna bujes wrote:
It's pretty clear to me that men take a very different view of it
than women. At the same time, they seem to enjoy the comfort of a
clean house. I don't know why we'd call it bourgeois -- people
have been cleaning themselves and their houses for ever.
sure we (men) might enjoy
[Again, it's not so much what is being said below, but who is saying
it--in an institutional sense]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/opinion/meyer/main584424.shtml
The Predator Class
by Dick Meyer
The stock market boom of the 1990s, the proliferation of 401(k) plans and
the mass use
In a message dated 11/19/03 9:54:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Joanna wrote:I don't know why we'd call [the comfort of a clean house] "bourgeois" --people have been cleaning themselves and their houses for ever."We" don't. You just have to decide whose side you're on
In a message dated 11/19/03 1:38:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, and? Look, I was just saying that I didn't think
that the only reason that homosexuality was a
lightning rod was that people thought that God hates
fags. I said that in my experience many peoples seem to
In a message dated 11/19/03 9:54:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
:
Joanna wrote:
I don't know why we'd call [the comfort of a clean house] bourgeois --
people have been
cleaning themselves and their houses for ever.
We don't. You just have to decide whose side you're on
Jim wrote:
The basic principle is that of the division between church and state.
Render unto Caesar and all that...
I agree with you about that, except that I would add:
1) the separation of church and state must explicitly include the guarantee
to the right to one's own religious beliefs and
A few weeks ago someone on the list mentioned that data was available on the
extent of mortgage refinancing in the US from the web site of Fannie Mae.
I've just looked and can't find it.
I'd be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction.
Trevor Evans
Berlin
it may be the point, but I heard a pro-gay lawyer on US National Public Radio missing
the point completely, saying that civil unions represent a separate but equal
policy (i.e., BOO!).
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
that is
Yes, indeed, a clean rifle is a necessary condition to prevent a misfire.
But the PEN is mightier than the SWORD, and one cannot very well go along
with filthy, hypocritical, patronising and pharisaic biological racists who
parasitize and exploit human weakness, murdering human development, and
In bad times, trade gets political
If the US does not compromise, it may kick off a trade cold war
Larry Elliott
Thursday November 20, 2003
The Guardian
Tony Blair plans to bend George Bush's ear today about America's steel
tariffs. Gordon Brown has a plan to tear down transatlantic trade
http://www.truthabouttrade.org/directors.asp
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'What else shall I do with my money?'
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BY THE time the great Scots-born businessman Andrew Carnegie died in 1919,
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The EU and the WTO
Survey shows EU Citizens favour globalisation
Brussels, 17 November 2003
63% of EU citizens are favourable to the development of globalisation while
more than half (52%) believe that if globalisation intensifies in the future
this would be more advantageous for them, according
According to the New Zealand Herald,
New Zealand's net liability position to the rest of the world is around
[NZ]$100 billion or 75 per cent of GDP, half of which is in the banking
system. About 30 per cent of New Zealand banks' balance sheets is funded by
non-residents. There's a macro-economic
Mr Bush's address to the Banqueting House in Whitehall cites
multilateralism as one of the three pillars of a more secure world. For
Washington hawks, multilateralism is a bogey word, but they will note that
Mr Bush will preface it with effective. The second pillar is more in tune
with recent Bush
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Following the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks, the
NY Times, November 19, 2003
Mexico Dismisses Its U.N. Envoy for Critical Remark About U.S.
By TIM WEINER
MEXICO CITY, Nov. 18 Mexico's ambassador to the United Nations has
been dismissed after saying the United States regards Mexico as a
second-class country, government officials said Tuesday.
The NZH reports: Police were out in force in the evening to ensure
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