On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 01:40, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
I downloaded and tested a few dates with the Win32 executable of
Jalali (the one at sourceforge). The bad news is that, the conversion
is not correct.
The conversion is wrong for 20 March 2005, and similarly a few other
dates that should
On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 05:03, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
Farsiweb should prepare -- if that is in the scope of FarsiWeb's work
-- a draft of a recommended practice for implementing date conversion
involving calendars used in Iran. This document will of course change
over time, as long as better
So, to conclude, I think we better don't touch the 33
implementations we have until we've got a real calendar. Just
talking about FarsiWeb of course. Other people are free about
what they choose.
behdad
On Mon, 24 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
I did some more research on the accuracy of
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 10:25, C Bobroff wrote:
Is there any way to type a hyphen
that will resist break-up during wrapping?
Use the Insert | Symbol menu in MS Word for lots of other things also,
copyright symbols, non-breaking spaces, longer dashes, ...
roozbeh
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:05, Hooman Mehr wrote:
The fact that Iranian authorities in this regard act as if they are
directly appointed by God is another story...
Don't get hot, please.
roozbeh
PS: Where is this admin hat? I left it just here last time! :'-(
roozbeh
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 10:28, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
Another way to interpret this email is that Birashk's method fails to
correctly predict the year 1403, and hence if we use that mehtod, all
dates in year 1404 will be off by one day. On the other hand, using
the 33 year period mentioned
On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 04:47, hameed afssari wrote:
Microsoft Lunar Hijri calendar is based on Calculation of Saudi
Arabian Authority and not Kuwait ...
I can't confirm that. Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar
where it specifically mentions that: Microsoft uses the
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 19:46, Hooman Mehr wrote:
One more thing, the reason that I may seem talented for story telling
is that I am an INFP (http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP.html), so
be-warned.
Ah, I can't confirm that, since it's too psychological. But Hooman talks
a lot! ;) I can't
I downloaded and tested a few dates with the Win32 executable of
Jalali (the one at sourceforge). The bad news is that, the conversion
is not correct.
The conversion is wrong for 20 March 2005, and similarly a few other
dates that should convert to 30 Esfand Year YYLP, instead all such
dates
at the end to fill a complete
solar year. It starts with 'Norooze Jalali' [*].
- The modern Jalali calendar in use in Iran (Iranian calendar), reworked
on the old Jalali calendar and uses the same leap structure; consists of
six 31-day plus six 30-day months followed by a month of 29 days or 30
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
Hi Omid and Connie,
MSDN way of specifying Hijri calendar is like saying the
length of any month in Gregorian calendar is 30 days plus or
minus two days -- true but not very useful. [...]
Hi Hooman,
The Hijri calendar introduced in MSDN does not
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
I guess the best thing to do:
- is get an archive of the last 50 years of official times of
vernal equinox, or saal tahveel, and compute the length of
year for each year. Fit them with linear or quadratic curves.
Look at Birashk's method and
On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:30:33 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod
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On Thu, 20 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
Ordak's 2820 year method:
bool isLeap2820ODC = ((683*year+542) % 2820) 683;
in comparison to:
Birashk's 2820 year method:
bool isLeap2820Birashk = ((year %
Hi Connie,
OK, white flag up!
I'll write some crime stories. But don't expect anything this week, I
am very busy.
Hooman
On May 20, 2004, at 2:16 AM, C Bobroff wrote:
Dear Hooman,
I may move these stories to my pending
weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days.
Why should you
I was looking at Omid K. Rad's implementation of calendar, and have a
few comments on calculating leap years.
1. The implemented algorithm uses a 128 year period, although the
comments say it uses a 2820 year period. While I need to ask for this
discrepancy be resolved, it is important to
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
Ordak's 2820 year method:
bool isLeap2820ODC = ((683*year+542) % 2820) 683;
in comparison to:
Birashk's 2820 year method:
bool isLeap2820Birashk = ((year % 2820) == 474) ||
(((31 * ((year+2345) % 2820)) %
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
I'll write some crime stories. But don't expect anything this week, I
am very busy.
OK! But if we are to properly judge your confession of past crimes, be
sure to not leave out any details and please start from the beginning. You
know, the glaciers were
Hi Ordak,
What you say makes perfect sense. I just didn't want to go into detail
of everything in this regard. Suffice it so say, in such cases people
come to agreement on establishing such authorities as part of their
civil society. I vaguely hinted this in my post. Such an authority
develops
Dear Connie,
Thank you very much for your interest and support. I will try to start
talking about such things soon. I may move these stories to my pending
weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days. When I start
the weblog I will announce it here. Although my limited time may
On Wed, 19 May 2004, Behnam wrote:
The Unicode character is U-2011, Non-Breaking Hyphen. If you don't have
it on your keyboard, you may be able to use this information to type it
with other tools or utilities.
As Ordak D. Coward reports, Ctrl-Shift-Hyphen instead of hyphen does
the trick in
Dear Hooman,
I may move these stories to my pending
weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days.
Why should you move to your weblog? I can't think of a better
place for the story of Persian computing than PersianComputing.
One more thing, the reason that I may seem talented
I don't see its use in Perso-Arabic script.
B.
On 19-May-04, at 5:38 PM, C Bobroff wrote:
U+2011 should definitely be part of the custom Perso-Arabic
transliteration keyboards. (Hint to Peter)
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On Wed, 19 May 2004, Behnam wrote:
I don't see its use in Perso-Arabic script.
I meant both Latin input and output here.
The punishment for misunderstanding the question is that you have to
answer some Mac questions! (New form of flaming, hope you like it!) I'm
getting 1 or 2 Mac users per
After reading the recent discussion on Iranian Calendar and its
support in .NET, I have a few suggestions:
- As the lunar calendar in Iran is observation based, there is no way
to have an exact conversion for a date in future to/from lunar
calendar. However, it is possible to do so for past dates
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
- Birashk's book. He had published a book on his work, if memory
serves me, it was called 'taarikh-tatbighi-ye Iran'.
Looks like the English version of this book is on sale if you're
interested:
and Shawwal. This update could as well be propagated through
a network protocol like NTP (Network Time Protocol).
Also, the conversion shall try to conform to the official published
Iranian calendar for future dates in the same year. For future years,
it should calculate the lunar calendar
under Qajar rule or Pahlavi rule, then
we would have either used Hijri-Qamari calendar or Shahanshai, still
both would have been considered Iranian calendar. So, in a country
which has recently changed its official calendar a few times, we
better stick to a name that will be in place
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
On a second thought, I got reluctant
to discuss this matter on the list. It would be way off topic.
Moreover, I am afraid that whatever I say could be interpreted as
political statement or religious evangelism and start flamewars.
Looks like Fortune
Actually, all this off-topic mix of calendars and philosophy
has reminded me that when I was writing something (in English) a few
months ago on Al-Biruni, whenever his name came up at the end of the line
in Word, it would wrap and so the Al- would be on one line and the
Biruni would go down to the
Hi Omid and Connie,
MSDN way of specifying Hijri calendar is like saying the length of any month in Gregorian calendar is 30 days plus or minus two days -- true but not very useful. Alright my example is grossly exaggerated, but I mean to highlight my point.
The official Iranian Islamic Calendar
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 01:41, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
You are self-conflicting yourself. I define consensus as 100%
vote of the talking community, and again I say we have reached a
consensus here.
Take a poll, then.
roozbeh
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On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 00:33, C Bobroff wrote:
Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also
about the Shaahanshaahi calendar and how to convert
We don't know that. Exact questions are: when exactly did the calendar
become official? And when did it cease to be the
On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 18:15, Omid K. Rad wrote:
In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar,
and in Afghanistan the Jalali subtype is used.
I don't get you. Afghanistan clearly doesn't use a Jalali subtype.
Their current leap year algorithm is synced with the Gregorian system,
so
On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 18:56, Hooman Mehr wrote:
I think we should avoid solar / lunar
designations in the English name to make it more meaningful and less
confusing for none-Iranians.
I don't agree. One can't reduce confusion by being less specific. People
who work on calendars already know
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:55, Hooman Mehr wrote:
It comes upwith an initial estimate (or best guess) of the *adjusted*
calendarwhich is usually only re-adjusted for Ramadan.
... and Shawwal.
This pre-adjustedcalendar is not the same as the basic table in MSDN,
nor the mostlyobservational
Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 15:39, Ali A Khanban wrote:
Shaahanshaahi calendar was introduced in 1355 and abolished in 1357.
When exactly? I know that not all of 1357 was known as 2537.
In Early 1357 it was abolished. Does it really matter? It is only a
historical
Hi,
Thank you for the refinements and clarifications. Maybe I've used to
the old Mac OS calendar API which used to correctly support dates way
before Gregorian calendar existed (even before Christian era). On the
other hand, even if you reduce my suggested number to 2000 days, you'll
find
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
P.S.: Although Hijri calendar (and definition of the prayer times) look
very strange and primitive, there is a very good philosophical reason
behind it which makes sense once you know it. Do you know the reason or
want to know it?
Yeah, the reason is
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Ali A Khanban wrote:
Shaahanshaahi calendar was introduced in 1355 and abolished in 1357.
It was simply a map:
Add 1180 to Iranian calendar.
But is that the official name? I might have just made that up.
Abbreviations??
-Connie
for practical and Civic( planning holidays,...) for this calendar.
From: Roozbeh Pournader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Hooman Mehr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: "'PersianComputing'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Iranian Calendar
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:05:33 +0430
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:55, H
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Ali A Khanban wrote:
Of course, it is possible to find the exact date, for example by looking
at the archive of Ettela'at or Kayhan newspapers, and see when the
date in their title changes. Unfortunately, I don't have access to them
at the moment, maybe later.
ok, the
On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for
the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran,
right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian
Calendar, quite like Chinese, Japanese, and other countries.
Iranian
Calendar term as well.
If you ask me, we can keep Iranian Calendar and call the Hijri
calendar Iranian Secondary Calendar or Iranian Religious Calendar
or something like that. I think we should avoid solar / lunar
designations in the English name to make it more meaningful and less
confusing
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for
the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran,
right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian
Calendar, quite like
Hi Hooman,
Thanks for the question. I go with Iranian Islamic Calendar.
I think Primary/Secondary and Solar/Lunar are both very bad
names. And Islamic makes sense since that's what this calendar
is called in English, so ours is the *Iranian* Islamic Calendar.
And then Iranian Calendar
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an official calendar and
is calculated independent from other Hijri calendars used in other
islamic countries. It is an important calendar, since it determines
half of the holidays on our calendar. We also
Title: Message
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff
wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2004, Hooman Mehr
wrote: The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an
official calendar and is calculated independent from other Hijri
calendars used in other islamic countries. It is an important
calendar, since it
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
Iranian Calendar is okay IMHO, but I like the Persian Calendar
better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more
countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar,
and in Afghanistan the Jalali subtype is used. I don't
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
Iranian Calendar is okay IMHO, but I like the Persian Calendar
better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more
countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list.
So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the
term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Hamed Malek wrote:
On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Hi,
Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list.
So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the
term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran
On Sat, 15 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote:
Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also
about the Shaahanshaahi calendar and how to convert and what's its
official name was and abbreviations, if any? That will be nice if that
system also makes its way into online
Well, this calendar is used in Iran, is computed with Iranian
rules. Afghan calendar is completely different. Something no
body said is the Tajik people. I've heard they use the same
calendar, is it right?
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Something no
body said is the Tajik people. I've heard they use the same
calendar, is it right?
Hang on a few days. I'll ask. -Connie
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On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
http://emr.cs.iit.edu/home/reingold/calendar-book/second-edition/CIIT.ht
ml
Thanks. I took a look. Perhaps the Islamic calendars should provide the
time as well as the date and also say which time zone/region the calendar
is referring to.
I guess this
Hi Behdad,
Very good. Agreed to Iranian Calendar and Iranian Islamic Calendar.
Hooman
On May 17, 2004, at 12:01 AM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Hi Hooman,
Thanks for the question. I go with Iranian Islamic Calendar.
I think Primary/Secondary and Solar/Lunar are both very bad
names. And Islamic makes
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the
term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right?
Iranian Calendar does sound like the best choice.
Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also
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