Does anyone here have any interest in obtaining an Edison Long-Play machine?
There was one incorrectly listed not too log ago on ebay. I didn't know if I
should mention it while the auction was going on. I have one and don't need
another but thought I would pass the information along just in
I tried to email you but it came back. We are having a huge problem locally
with the worms/viruses so I'm not surprised. Anyway, I'm 90% sure I have the
plug you need...it's off of an 8-60. It's at my mother's so it will take a
day or two to check.
Bruce
I need a few items maybe someone can
I can vouch for the quality of the parts at www.wwindups.com. I got a
bracket for my Victor 9-16 and it was superb.
Bruce
A friend asked my opinion of one of these table top machines. He found one
for 1850.00 and wanted to know if that is close to the true value. There
was one on ebay in the UK that nobody bid on for 2000.00 plus, opening bid.
This type of thing is not my forte and I told him I would see what I
John,
I have emailed you pics of two colors of original DD grill cloth. Let me
know if you don't get them. If anyone else needs them, please let me know. I
don't have a pic of the dark green I can find at the moment, only dark brown
and the light beige/creme or whatever it is.
Bruce
Help! I need a screw and the cup washer that is used to hold the wooden trim
ring inside many DD machines. There is one on each side of the piece. I
need the gun metal color. This is for use in my Edison C-2 radio/phono
combination. There are four of these that hold the motor board in place
Hi,
Can anyone tell me if the Edison Diamond C reproducer used in the
Amberola models, is made of Pot metal and therefore suffers damage due to
the brittle metal ? I believe there were two types of Diamond C, the early
one having a nickle coated finish and the later one being finished in
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Hello Group, Does anyone have
What am I missing here? I can't find any Victor external horn machine
made after 1920 other than the school machine which ceased in 1925.
Scoure: LFTD
Bruce
A couple quick thoughts:
Re: a Credenza motoralthough it has four springs there will only be two
spring barrels.
Re: diamond tip stylus in an acoustic machineabout the worst thing you
could use. These
were made for lighweight crystal pickups of the 40's.
Bruce
is fine. Please email me directly as I need to know asap so
I know whether or not to commit to it.
Many thanks,
Bruce Mercer
6. Re: Resistor Search (Doug)
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Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:22:10 -0400
From: Doug cdh...@earthlink.net
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Josie Miles is the only one that comes to mind. There are others I think.
Bruce
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:00 PM
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Loran,
my sincere condolences to you nd your family.
Bruce Mercer
I was watching a record on ebay, Doin' the Raccoon by Billy Murray and the
7 Blue Babies. It closed for $725.00. I've seen this record end high before
and am just curious to know why it is so high. Of course, the song title is
one of the most famous of the period and I have four or five
Good to see you here Ronnie. You will like it here...it's a great place to
be.
Bruce Mercer
The reference I've used for years is
Edison Diamon Discs 50001-52651- 1912-1929 by Fred Karlin, copyright 1972.
It's spiral bound with a slick white and black cover of an Edison (paper)
label. It has really gotten a workout over the last 30 something years. :-)
About 160 pages.
Bruce
I am using a fellow by the name of Gene Sandberg to move a couple console
phonographs and radio from CA. to Indiana. He goes all over the country
doing just
this. I have not used him before but he is highly recommended by some people
whose judgement I trust completely. His phone numbers:
Doug,
please help one more time...
After your thoughtful reply I emailed the guy the information along with a
couple questions. It appears the entire resistor was being used as there was
a wire attached to each end. He sent me a photo of it and the thing is green
from the wire under the
It is in the pitch of A 440. Supposed to be used with a pitch pipe.
Bruce
I would be very interested in hearing any record Caruso recorded using a
microphone!
:-)
Bruce
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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:55:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
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Never use steel wool on a softened finish. I first clean the finish with
mineral spirits, removing all old dirt wax etc. using a soft bristle brush.
Use paper towels so you can see when nothing else is coming off. Let dry.
Find a spray bottle that puts out a fine mist spray with no droplets. Spray
A friend is looking for an Edison Standard 'A' motor, anyone have one?
Thanks
Bruce
Hello,
I'm looking for the elbow that connects the reproducer to the horn in a
Columbia AR machine.
Does anybody know where a reproduction piece might be found? I'm looking for
a fellow collector.
Thanks,
Bruce
Today's Topics:
1. Stanton Auction (Phillip Sands)
2. Re: Stanton
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Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:37 2006
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Guys,
I
The dividers are unfinished and sunstained poplar.
Bruce Mercer
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Great points, all.
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These test pressings show up from time to time on ebay. Perhaps a couple a
year. I don't rember what they are bringing however. I do remember they
weren't exactly cheap though.
Bruce
There was also an R-7 model. Sorry, I don't know the model date.
Bruce
To each his own I guess but this is one of my favorite machines. The
CC-32 is a very masculine looking cabinet and is almost perfect in
proportion and scale. Hardly a fat upright. I suppose it might be
considered plain or ugly to those who don't take the time or have the
ability to
Today's Topics:
1. The Practical Long Play Record (Bruce Mercer)
2. Re: The Practical Long Play Record (Dan Kj)
3. Edison business phono (Steven Medved)
4. Re: best reamers? (noveltyt...@aol.com)
5. Re: Edison business phono (cranke...@comcast.net
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Hi Doug,
This is interesting, Edison had the Alva but I have never seen an electric
motor in a DD phono, I never thought of this until your post.
Steve
But Edison had an aversion to electric motors
in
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As I mentioned elsewhere, every one of the universal motors I've ever heard
were noisy things, very noisy. Edison used his own brand of motor and I'm
not sure what Victor or others used but they were of different design but
still noisy. It seems like they would have been more of a novelty for
I incorrectly stated that the C-1 and C-2 radio/phonograph combinations were
the last phonographs offered by the company. I should have said they were
the last 'Diamond Disc' Phonographs offered by the company. The C-4
radio/phonograph which used a different chassis was also sold, but only
Guys,
I apologize in advance if I make anybody angry but you have to go through
foot after foot after foot of previously posted messages to get to an answer
or the next post. Doesn't anybody else find this very annoying? Why repost
something 12 or 15 times when you can cut it in two seconds. I
The ONLY person I would trust with my pickups is George Epple
gke(at)verizon.net.
If you have to do any repair on pot metal use JB Weld. Sometimes the pieces
are beyond hope, other times repairs can be made and this is the stuff to do
it with. BTW I assume the poster was talking about Edison cylinder
reproducers as all the disc ones were made of brass, thankfully. Too bad
No, I have never seen rubber but I have seen many with square pieces of
feltlike what was on the turntable.
Bruce
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:00 PM
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Thanks for the tip about John Wrasse. I don't have any problem with being
patient but the last mover kept lying to me. If it's going to take X months
that would be fine but the fellow I had would tell the people he was going
to show up to pick up the machine and wouldn't show. This went on for
Hi Guys,
does anyone here know the proper weight for the Edison reproducer found on
the 1928 models of the C-1 and C-2 radio/phonograph combinations? These
units had a very clever weight adjustment for the only pickup made to play
both Diamond Discs and the later Needle Cut Edisons (or the
The diamond stylus is not for playing the shellac records. It is permanently
installed into the pickup, is offset slightly and used only to play Diamond
Discs. There is a conventional thumbscrew for inserting steel needles to
play shellac records. When the steel needle is inserted it holds the
George,
you might contact Charley Hummel in Wayne, N.J., he may know how to reach
Paul. If you need Charley's phone number contact me off list.
Bruce
Without a doubt, the Edison phonograph playing a paper label records. Why
should they be excluded? They met the criteria of being an internal horn
acoustic phonograph.
Bruce
Art,
the strings would only vibrate sympathetically and are basically a gimmick,
although a fun one to be sure. When you get it home send me some closeup
pics of the stringing and pins. If they are rusty, etc. I'd just restring
it. I probably have what parts you need sitting in boxes.
Bruce
I've rebuilt pianos for over 40 years and I have to say some of these posts
are hilarious. BTW...piano plates are cast iron.
Bruce
I'm a little confused after reading some of the material on Ben's site. The
R-1, R2, C-1 and C-2 were introduced in Sept. or Oct. of 1928. Was there
some kind of access to Splitdorf's patents so these machines could be
manufactured and put on the market? The first C-2 I owned had all the
Happy Holidays to the most civil group on the internet. Special thanks to Loran
for making it possible for us to share our obsession.
Bruce
From wilenz...@bellsouth.net Fri Dec 22 13:20:45 2006
From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (wilenz...@bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:12 2006
Subject:
Well friends, as I'm sure most of us know Feb. 11 is Edison's birthday. It
has become my annual ritual on that day to clean and lubricate all of my
machines and to enjoy listening to Lest We Forget and Greetings From The
Bunch At Orange. I usually spend the rest of the time set aside to listen
I'd appreciate opinions of anyone here about the new four volume set Edison
Diamond Disc Record Labels Discography by Charles Gregory. I ran across
this set on Ebay being offered by the author. There is a good deal of work
by Ray Wile included in the set. Mr Gregory tells me that 176 libraries
Fortunately for me I have recently learned that I am heir to a fortune in a
diamond mine and also tin mines in Bolivia. (some thirty seven million
dollars) The transaction to liquify these assets is being carried out for
me by an nice man in Indonesia. I have already wired him the $37,000.
Sorry to make a big deal out of nothing but it should have read etc. not
ect.. If this wasn't one of my pet peeves I wouldn't have mentioned it. The
older I get the more I seem to transpose things.
:-)
From smsti...@mind.net Tue May 29 13:48:37 2007
From: smsti...@mind.net (Mike Stitt)
Date:
: 94258.21807...@web35614.mail.mud.yahoo.com
--- Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net wrote:
Can anyone tell me who made the Kruesi replica
tinfoil machines, apprx. what year(s) they were made
and their cost at that time?
I do know that MIREK STEHLIK (of Canada) reproduced
them late 1992/early 1993
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Hi -
Well, I heard back from Ron Dethlefson, and enclose his response below.
And here are the pictures of Andy's machine, plus some additional
oxidozed bronze hardware pix from Bruce Mercer:
http://homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono
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The kind of people who bid on crapophones think this is real. What a
horrid, amateurish paint job. It's an embarrassment. At least he made REAL
sure the new felt stuck to the turntable.
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From: Bruce
Years ago I bought a still crated LU-38 upright. It had a conventional
motor board, nothing unusual at all, a 100 sized horn and a nickel plated
Edisonic reproducer. I have no idea what hinged access to the motor
compartment would have been.
Bruce
That's the matrix number. The numbers incised on the playing surface include
that number plus the letter A, B or C indicating which take it is. The
remaining numbers indicate stampers and mould numbers.
Bruce
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To: Antique
Was someone on the group looking for an AH? Somehow the message never made
it down to my reader. I have one I bought in the late 60's wrapped in a
newspaper dated Dec. 1923. I bought it and the Edison C-19 that replaced it.
It had spent all those years in a cedar closet. I displayed it for a
Guys, I will be happy to take some pics but it will be a day or two. I do
not know the difference between early and late as I am mainly an Edison
collector. I'd be happy to see some photos of one vs. late. It has round
turned columns on the corners, ten inch turntable, an oxidized copper handle
I looked through Tim and George's book, The Talking Machine and found the
exact one in question. Page 128 plate
4-5.
I'll still take some photos of mine when I get back.
Bruce
I saved the photo to My Pictures and looked at it extremely blown up. There
is a dimple in the bottom of each hole. It looks like it was done with heat
and ???
If they were bubbles I don't think the perimeter would be that perfect or
have that mark in the bottom of each hole. One hole appears
Thanks Dan, I've been harping about this for years.
Bruce
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From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net
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Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 154 (real subject:
removing
In the first place gaskets in an Edison DD reproducer were cork not rubber.
It is extremely important that the diaphragm is air tight. Also make sure
that that that end of the linkage is tight as well. The brown material you
see is burnt shellac. That was used to seal the cone to the diaphragm
That's what I like about this group, you learn something new about your
passion all the time. The earliest reproducer I have is on my C-250, the one
with the screwed on stylus plate. This machine is from 1916. It does have
cork gaskets so they must have been been replaced very early on. I've
The microgroove record was Edison's work, not Theodore's. Theodore designed
the universal electric magnetic pickup used in the C-1 and C-2
radio/phonograph combinations of 1928. T.A.s work on microgroove recordings
can be noted as early as 1899. (cylinder of course)
Bruce M.
That's interesting to know, thanks. Of course all of the four minute records
were recorded at 200 tpi. Still an achievement that early in the game. The
1899 cylinder I speak of was 450 tpi. (I am going to check this out for
certainty as that number is from memory) If I'm wrong on that number I
Wow! Thrilling story. The best part is finding the broken corner piece. That
would have REALLY made my day.
Congratulations,
Bruce M.
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DD were waxed starting in about 1920 with stearin. Stearin is a
triglyceride and is found in heavy fats, animal and plant, palm oil being
one. It is insoluable in water and somewhat soluable in alcohol. It's
basically a hardener. I'm guessing it was mixed with alcohol for the DD.
Obviously
a slight lubricant on the cylinder. It
will be all gone by now even if the cylinder being examined is NOS.
Stearin is soluable in ether and benzene. Benzine was very popular in
years gone by as the solvent of choice for many things.
Bruce Mercer wrote:
DD were waxed starting in about 1920
benzine ring. Naphtha is not the complete ring and lacks all of
the solvent properties of the old style benzine. It's also slightly less
likely to rot your brain.
Bruce Mercer wrote:
Thanks Rich,
I wondered about benzine (naptha) as it was widely used for many years as
a solvent. It evaporates
Accordin to Frow they were introduced in 1922. They were sold along with the
Edisonics and not further mentioned. Not to bore anybody again with this
story but I bought one of the London Uprights that had never been uncrated.
Fortunately, it had a nice new Edisonic reproducer just waiting for
I think it must have been converted to run on gas. The filler hole is
where the crank is missing. I love it when they put the grill in upside
down
Bruce
http://providence.craigslist.org/atq/1508218898.html
Oh my, I just had to share this one with you. Look what is stored directly
NEVER use water on DD. Use denatured alcohol. Even rubbing alcohol has water
in it.Also, make sure the reproducer is properly oiled at the rear bearing.
Bruce
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. Thanks.
Ger
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Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15
NEVER use water on DD. Use denatured alcohol. Even rubbing alcohol
has water
in it.Also, make sure
Hello Bill and welcome to the best group on the subject. BTWwhat car? I
missed what it was but am also afflicted along those lines.
Bruce
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Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it,
even 52000 series.
Bruce
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Magh is the misspelled abbreviation of mahogany, that would be my guess.
Who or what is Magh?
Ron L
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Judging from the price paid and looking at what the buyer has previously
bought, I would say the Capehart is in good hands. I've seen that WE speaker
go for almost 3K. A 41-E changer (not w/L.P.) went for about 1300.00 a
couple weeks ago. I bought an identical one for about 300.00 three or four
I don't know... but I must be one of the biggest fools on this forum.
Whatever happened to the integrity of a verbal handshake? There have been a
few times where somebody came behind me and offered more, one time a LOT
more, (Zenith Stratosphere) but then there was that verbal handshake and
people
OK..I've been told by several people, one who could hardly stop
laughing, that I am definitely NOT naieve. So I'll chalk it up to good luck.
I do think it's a sad state of affairs that a person's word means so little
these days.
John, glad you ended up with something that took the sting out
me see
it.
I paid her cash and loaded it up. I was there less than 10 minutes and I
was
gone. You know why.
Mike
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com wrote:
OK..I've been told by several people, one who could hardly stop
laughing, that I am definitely
The quietness was due to the massive (in size and weight) of the now frozen
pot metal tone arm and sound box(es) blocking any motor noise from
escaping;-) Plus, in the 1800's, they knew how to make things run quietly.
Seriously, they were pretty good motors, some nice cabinets too.
Bruce
No, it doesn't suck at all to live in the Midwest. This is where all the
bargains are.
Bruce
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To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list
So I'm
Sorry guys, you sent the email to the wrong person on the list. I hope it's
not too late for you.
Bruce Mercer
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Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:29 PM
Subject: Re
when you
are planning to travel to Union.
Jim
Sent from my iPad
On May 28, 2010, at 1:20 AM, Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com wrote:
No, it doesn't suck at all to live in the Midwest. This is where all the
bargains are.
Bruce
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I agree John, the horn is quarter-sawn oak.
Bruce
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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE - Original Victor Mahogany Speartip Horn
Are you sure
I was under the impression that vinyl came along some time after picture
discs came on the scene. I always thought they were laminated with Durium,
the clear surface that coated Hit of the Week records.
Bruce M.
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I was under the impression that vinyl came along some time after picture
discs came on the scene. I always thought they were laminated with Durium,
the clear surface that coated Hit of the Week records.
Bruce M.
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Most any well stocked player piano shop will have it. What is the I.D.? I
probably have 100+ft.
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Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have
the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the
speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to
obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they
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Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Thanks for that information
Jim, sorry, I cannot get past your spam blocker.
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Jim,
it doesn't sound
Many years ago I asked Walter Welch what the conical tip size was for the
DD. He informed me ot was .0075. I wrote it down inside the back cover of my
then new copy of Tinfoil to Stereo.
Bruce M.
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Look closely at the elbow. It looks like a PVC plumbing elbow that has been
painted black. Also, if I'm not mistaken that is a Western Electric horn
that previously had a driver and a red light in the small hole. It was some
sort of test equipment for telephone linemen.
At first I thought the
UH-OH, have I been taken? I was told that my Edison C-1 is one of six
known. According to the known serial numbers mine is the latest making it
the last (accounted for) Diamond Disc machine. I sincerely hope that is not
the case.
Bruce
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From: Mike Stitt
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If I collected Gems on a large scale,
it would be unusual to have. One dead give away that the paint is not
original to the date of manufacture is the lid. Notice the flathead nails
on the edges to hold down the glue failure? Near the nails are gouges that
Steve, I agree completely and hope for collectors interested in these
machines that at least a few more will be found. The thing that supports the
'few' is that they were made for only a year (more like 10 months), were
very expensive and a good estimate of orginal production numbered about 200
quite a bit in sitting down
the pickup but it's still a bit awkward and is really the only complaint I
have with the design. I 'still' want to lift the lid.
Bruce Mercer
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