Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-24 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:56:57 -, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once it's settled and everyone stops arguing about it, I'll see about adding it to display_cde. No comment on the code so I guess it will have to wait until the new year. Seems straightforward enough, the only real

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-22 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:23:02 EST,() [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: In a message dated 21/12/04 13:21:16 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apart from the fact that the command does not exist, therefore a compiled program will complain when not run on smsq/e. A program compiled by Turbo need

[ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-22 Thread Rich Mellor
Thanks to Marcel's comments, I have amended the RW_GD2 function to work on Minerva, standard smsq/e for Gold Card (v3.07 tested) and high colour smsq/e (v3.03 for Gold Card and latest QPC2 version tested). The code appears below for comment or criticism. Hopefully I have interpreted this

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:05:17 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: Must be a breakdown somewhere then because I have v3.07 of the non-colour SMSQ/e for Gold Card We will work on that. Good :-) cut No, it should absolutely not return an error. A colour driver is

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread John Hall
Marcel Kilgus wrote: My fault. 3.08 was QPC only (as, so far, is 3.09, which is not been released yet). So 3.07 should actually be the current version. I was wondering why 3.08 had not appeared on the web-site :-) How will 3.08 (and 3.09 if it remains QPC-only) be treated in the version

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:38:22 -,() Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:27:30 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Theoretically that should return 0 on non-colour SMSQ/e It returns 5 on non-colour smsq/e v3.07 !?!? Hmmm 5 is what it used to return on the beta SMSQ/e

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:02:51 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:38:22 -,() Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:27:30 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Theoretically that should return 0 on non-colour SMSQ/e It returns 5 on

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:20:28 -,() Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: DISP_TYPE returns 5 on both standard smsq/e and colour driver smsq/e Yes but it does screw up other programs - such as those which have any part of their windows outside of 512x480 or those in a different resolution

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:32:36 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:20:28 -,() Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: DISP_TYPE returns 5 on both standard smsq/e and colour driver smsq/e Yes but it does screw up other programs - such as those which have any

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:05:26 -,() Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:32:36 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I know - I guess in a test program, this would be OK. It still does not answer the question as to how QWord (or any program) should

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:02:26 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:05:26 -,() Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:32:36 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I know - I guess in a test program, this would be OK. It still

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: Yes it can read the current mode, but how does it know whether to use the standard QL colours via IOW.INK or to use palette colours via WM.INKP There is NO WM.INKP Trap. If you do mean to call the WMAN-VECTOR WM.TRAP3 with the ink code in D0, then this call always works with

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: OK, so any machine code program which utilises the new system calls has to check for an error return and if present use the old IOW.SINK command to set the ink colour - presumably this will require a different value in D1 to that passed to the GD2 4 colour driver (or will

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:09:47 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: Yes it can read the current mode, but how does it know whether to use the standard QL colours via IOW.INK or to use palette colours via WM.INKP There is NO WM.INKP Trap. If you do mean to call the

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:21:13 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse my ignorance - if all this was written in a single document somewhere, it would help. Now I have a little more time on my hands, maybe you could send me the originals of the various articles and anyone

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: Please excuse my ignorance - if all this was written in a single document somewhere, it would help. Sure. Now I have a little more time on my hands, maybe you could send me the originals of the various articles Of which articles? If a machine code program wants to set

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-21 Thread Rich Mellor
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:09:05 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: Please excuse my ignorance - if all this was written in a single document somewhere, it would help. Sure. Now I have a little more time on my hands, maybe you could send me the originals of the various

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-20 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:33:04 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: I was surprised to learn that SMSQ/e for the Gold Card/Super Gold Card is still available with or without the colour drivers, Of course it is. Just think about it! I cannot force everybody to pay the

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-20 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: Must be a breakdown somewhere then because I have v3.07 of the non-colour SMSQ/e for Gold Card We will work on that. Hmm I see what you mean - maybe the configuration block should be a separate module on its own (if possible). I might have an idea, need to coordinate with

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 - revisited

2004-12-20 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:05:17 +0100,() Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: Must be a breakdown somewhere then because I have v3.07 of the non-colour SMSQ/e for Gold Card We will work on that. Yes.. same here... I was only provided v.3.07 non-colour for upgrades and I had

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Rich Mellor
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:13:12 +, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 at 03:22:54, P Witte wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip It's 10 Euros, not pounds. There might be an argument for a considerably reduced fee since the punter here wont have access to SMSQ/E

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
Am Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:50:36 - hat Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: The demo version of QPC2 would do, APART from two problems: a) We cannot update the high scores table - this could be overcome by allowing only one type of write to device on the QPC2 runtime - direct to

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 at 13:27:27, Wolfgang Uhlig wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Am Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:13:55 - hat Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: - just like the demo does at the moment Sorry, I didn't follow the whole discussion and I didn't download the demo because as a

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 at 20:21:16, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])  Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:31:49 +,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 at 18:40:44, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am not particularly a 'word game' fan.

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
Am Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:37:09 + hat Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: It is a very good way of exercising your English (8-)# Is this sort of hint, hint, hint ? ;-)) Does your demo do all these things itself??? It certainly does. It worked fine on my XP system. It was all

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Rich Mellor
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:08:39 +0100, Wolfgang Uhlig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:37:09 + hat Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: It is a very good way of exercising your English (8-)# Is this sort of hint, hint, hint ? ;-)) Does your demo do all these things

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:49:08 +,() Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: snip It was all automatic and very slick. There is even an entry in 'add/remove programs'. Brilliant job. I reckon the average PC user would not even notice the environment they were using. Yes, I can concur with Tony

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:40:44 +, Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut Well ... from the Demo statistics it looks like over 200 copies have been downloaded. So actual sales of 100 to 200 would be likely. That remains

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Do you want to say that the demo is a QPC together with a win-file, which installs itself correctly on a PC, whereever a PC-user wants it to install? I would find that very interesting because I had to install such a

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 at 18:40:44, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am not particularly a 'word game' fan. Yet QWord is so good - in function, appearance, and sound - that I will buy it when it is available in

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:51:26 +0100,() Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: snip There's probably more to say, but I've already lost enough time typing this up. Perhaps another time or in a follow up. But hopefully it helped clearing up some confusion. It definitely did for me at least :-) We

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:21:33 +, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP I am not complaining - this whole thread started out with the comment that sometime ago, I had come up with code (in combination with Dilwyn and

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:00:56 -0800, James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if I should say anything (like that ever stops me) but I am somewhat confused by why not to use the PE for all the drawing. On QDT, Marcel's sprite draw implementation is extremely fast and handles all

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:43:46 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 Dec 2004 at 20:49, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Completely agree, however by catering for everyone you give even these people the chance to see what CAN it be... I firmly believe that people that will be using Q-Word

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:51:26 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut There's probably more to say, but I've already lost enough time typing this up. Perhaps another time or in a follow up. But hopefully it helped clearing up some confusion. Well, it just goes to say how poor the SMSQ/e

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:43:46 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Dec 2004 at 1:03, Rich Mellor wrote: () cut I'd like to temper this comment somewhat. If you use the (legal) RMODE command (it is even included in QPTR Sbasic extensions) you get back the current mode, e.g. 32

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:34:22 -,() Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:43:46 +0100, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Dec 2004 at 1:03, Rich Mellor wrote: () cut snip Possibly - at what version of SMSQ/e were the colour drivers actually introduced and

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread P Witte
Phoebus Dokos writes: In reality the main problems (esp. with Q-Word) arose because there's no *clear* source of documentation of what the system's features are, what the changes have been and what is the planning for new ones... Don't get Yes, the documentation situation is far from perfect.

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:04:03 -,() P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Phoebus Dokos writes: In reality the main problems (esp. with Q-Word) arose because there's no *clear* source of documentation of what the system's features are, what the changes have been and what is the planning for new

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread P Witte
Rich Mellor writes: If I decided to use the PE to handle the display of the tiles for example, this would be easy to set them as sprites. However, what would I do to handle the display of the main 640x480 background (or 1024x512 on Q40)? Sprites cannot be that big, so I am not quite certain

Re: Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:47:52 +,() [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: That and someone updating Jochen's QDOS/SMS reference manual :-) If the information is given (especially now that I will have a lot of time in my hands -Uni is over in just 11 days- I could even volunteer to do it...) Does that mean

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread - Aucun -
As for those who don't want to upgrade, that is definitely their choice. But they shouldn't expect to be able to run all the latest stuff either. By the way, the work done in SMSQ/E, WMAN and the PE really has made a tremendous effort to transparently support as much legacy stuff as

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:08:38 -,() P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Phoebus Dokos writes: It seems to me that we need Yet Another Version Of Qdos [YAVOQ] like we need an eighth hole in the head! What is the thinking behind it? Or is it just an expression of pure tribalism? Hehe freeQDOS IS

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:51:27 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor writes: Possibly - at what version of SMSQ/e were the colour drivers actually introduced and reliably working though?? v2.94 or v3.00 - possibly even v3.02 on Gold Card ?? Is that really relevant? If you phone any

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:51:53 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor writes: If I decided to use the PE to handle the display of the tiles for example, this would be easy to set them as sprites. However, what would I do to handle the display of the main 640x480 background (or

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Surely no-one would suggests that one should scrap hammer and wire based pianos simply because the digital versions come along. But you did not have to carry one in and out of venues every night on a tour. I would have

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:53:12 +, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP The only problem I have found with QWord is that it smashes whatever is underneath it when I have run it. This is not a QWord problem as such

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Rich Mellor
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:40:44 +, Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut Well ... from the Demo statistics it looks like over 200 copies have been downloaded. So actual sales of 100 to 200 would be likely. That remains to be seen - a lot of people may have downloaded it to try on a

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 9 Dec 2004 at 21:02, Rich Mellor wrote: Yes maybe it is - Quanta could provide a site which is the standard contact point for information on the QL - documentation downloads especially. However, all the documentation on SMSQ/e and the PE needs to be on the same site as the SMSQ/e

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP there is no way that we could still pay £10 per copy to Tony Tebby It is 10 Euro -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web :

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 at 21:02:27, Rich Mellor wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:44:55 +0100, wolfgang mühlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor schrieb: So where is this information on the SMSQ/e website? As I say - we need to have one source for all this information -

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:10:35 +,() Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP there is no way that we could still pay 10 per copy to Tony Tebby It is 10 Euro Which is of course the correct way to say it because unlike

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread P Witte
Wolfgang Lenerz writes: Marcel - we really need a runtime version of QPC2, then we can sell to the open PC market :-) Trouble is that we could not really charge more than £20 for the game including the runtime QPC2, so there is no way that we could still pay £10 per copy to Tony Tebby

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-09 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 10 Dec 2004 at 3:22, P Witte wrote: There might be an argument for a considerably reduced fee since the punter here wont have access to SMSQ/E only to a limited amount of its functionality. If there really were a market in the wider (PC) world for this, it would be better to sell 1000 at 2

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:20:42 -0500, Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:01:59 +0100,() Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: As I was saying the user might not have your SMSQ/e version (ie the one with the colour drivers) but he'll still

Re: Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread dilwyn.jones
I've found I'm having problems with my QXL.WIN CD backups, I put them on cheap CDRs and suddenyl I can't restore them. They won't read on this PC, I'll try them at work tomorrow, as I've found some CDs will work on that PC where they won't on this one. That usually is caused by non

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread P Witte
Rich Mellor writes: We all know that most of the QL community do not have money to spend on their QLs, so it is unlikely that they would upgrade to SMSQ/e just to run QWord on an Aurora in all its glory (shame I agree) - hence why we wanted to produce graphics routines which can work using

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Rich Mellor
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:24:33 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Mellor writes: We all know that most of the QL community do not have money to spend on their QLs, so it is unlikely that they would upgrade to SMSQ/e just to run QWord on an Aurora in all its glory (shame I agree) -

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:24:33 -,() P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Rich Mellor writes: snip Games traditionally also sell the hardware and supplementary software to drive them. If people want to play QWord in hicolor on Aurora, why shouldnt they buy the colour drivers too, especially when

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread P Witte
Phoebus Dokos writes: Games traditionally also sell the hardware and supplementary software to drive them. If people want to play QWord in hicolor on Aurora, why shouldnt they buy the colour drivers too, especially when that may help mitigate some of the above mentioned loss? QWord

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Rich Mellor
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:36:07 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut I asume that, ultimately, we both want to move in the same general direction, as this benefits both of us in the long run. You will have made your own judgements about how you wish to set about promoting the QL. I simply

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread James Hunkins
I don't know if I should say anything (like that ever stops me) but I am somewhat confused by why not to use the PE for all the drawing. On QDT, Marcel's sprite draw implementation is extremely fast and handles all the color conversions to the different systems completely transparently. I

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP A good idea - must get myself appointed an SMSQ/e retailer so that I can offer this... But then I feel as though I am taking away the small amount of revenue which the official smsq/e retailers make out of this... - Roy,

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:25:00 +,() Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP (I am speaking for myself here and definitely not for Rich that did the coding so I don't want to see any comments addressed to him... pound me

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Rich Mellor
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:25:00 +, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies if this seems a bit long - it is not intended to be an argument, just more of some background, so that people can understand why we might want to detect if colour drivers are available and then maybe someone can

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Absurd comment. Windows is a different system on a different platform. We are talking about buying a more efficient O/S and maybe some better hardware for the same system. Nope you're not... Not squeezing everything

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP I am not complaining - this whole thread started out with the comment that sometime ago, I had come up with code (in combination with Dilwyn and Marcel I believe) to detect if GD2 was available. What I and Dilwyn did

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: 2) Whatever screen mode is in use, I thought that under the new colour driver scheme, each program should be able to dictate the colour scheme to use - COLOUR_QL, COLOUR_24 or COLOUR_PAL. However, if these commands are implemented (as in the current PTR_GEN), can a program

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 9 Dec 2004 at 1:03, Rich Mellor wrote: () I am not complaining - this whole thread started out with the comment that sometime ago, I had come up with code (in combination with Dilwyn and Marcel I believe) to detect if GD2 was available. What I and Dilwyn did not realise at the

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 8 Dec 2004 at 20:49, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Completely agree, however by catering for everyone you give even these people the chance to see what CAN it be... I firmly believe that people that will be using Q-Word without SMSQ/e can actually find some benefit and even switch over to a

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:25:22 +0100,() Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On 7 Dec 2004 at 2:42, Rich Mellor wrote: (...) The designers should add a proper method of detection or explain how it can RELIABLY be detected. etc... There seems to be something I'm missing here. What's wrong with

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Phoebus Dokos wrote: The problem is probably that not everyone having SMSQ/e for the Aurora actually has Marcel's version... that means that SMSQ/e will report that the commands are there but once the program tries to access the new feature a big BOOM will ensue :-) Of course this is wrong.

Re: Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread dilwyn.jones
If, for example, I had Aurora set up to use only QL colour, I would NOT want any job to try and set it to a different colour mode.!!! Wolfgang Spoilsport ;-) I think I misunderstood what Rich was trying to achieve here. The test for GD2 does work in the sense in which it was intended.

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:19:32 +0100,() Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: The problem is probably that not everyone having SMSQ/e for the Aurora actually has Marcel's version... that means that SMSQ/e will report that the commands are there but once the program tries to

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Phoebus Dokos wrote: Of course the BOOM was figurative... In any case for the user a boom it is what it really is : ie non working software Why should it not work? Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:05:17 +0100,() Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: Of course the BOOM was figurative... In any case for the user a boom it is what it really is : ie non working software Why should it not work? As I was saying the user might not have your SMSQ/e

Re: Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Rich Mellor
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:22:51 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If, for example, I had Aurora set up to use only QL colour, I would NOT want any job to try and set it to a different colour mode.!!! Wolfgang Spoilsport ;-) I think I misunderstood what Rich was trying to achieve here. The test for

Re: Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Dilwyn Jones
of what level of test they want. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:22:51 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: From Marcel's response I think that my solution is legal - ie. call the iow.sstrp and check for error It is. But basically it's equivalent to a check whether you're running on SMSQ/E or not. Plus, if you run on SMSQ/E you still don't know whether it supports the 256 colour

Re: Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:50:06 -,() Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: I very much doubt I'll get time - after sorting out my PC and WinXP, I've found I'm having problems with my QXL.WIN CD backups, I put them on cheap CDRs and suddenyl I can't restore them. They won't read on this PC, I'll

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-07 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:01:59 +0100,() Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: As I was saying the user might not have your SMSQ/e version (ie the one with the colour drivers) but he'll still want to use the 256 colours since the program is sold that way... And the program

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-06 Thread Dilwyn Jones
, obviously not givent he problems Rich is having. Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: [ql-users] Detecting GD2 Dilwyn et al... In the absence of comments from Jochen / Marcel I

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-06 Thread Rich Mellor
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:45:51 -, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The designers should add a proper method of detection or explain how it can RELIABLY be detected. Yes - still waiting for some input on this At the moment, the best you can do is look for an identifying string, which

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-06 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Dilwyn Jones wrote: The designers should add a proper method of detection or explain how it can RELIABLY be detected. At the moment, the best you can do is look for an identifying string, which does nothing other than show it's a version able to support GD2, even if GD2 is not possible on the

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-06 Thread Rich Mellor
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:47:22 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dilwyn Jones wrote: The designers should add a proper method of detection or explain how it can RELIABLY be detected. At the moment, the best you can do is look for an identifying string, which does nothing other than

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-06 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Rich Mellor wrote: We have a reliable check for GD2 - what we do not know is how to check if using the new traps will have any effect ! Ah, my fault. I forgot that we did not include the new traps into PTR_GEN for QDOS systems, it only provides a GD2 light with only enough functionality to make

[ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-04 Thread Rich Mellor
Dilwyn et al... In the absence of comments from Jochen / Marcel I think the problem is that WMAN is reporting that GD2 is available. What we need to do is then go on to see if the colour drivers are available if GD2 is present. Guess the only way of doing this is to try and use one of the

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-04 Thread Rich Mellor
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:00:27 -, Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dilwyn et al... In the absence of comments from Jochen / Marcel I think the problem is that WMAN is reporting that GD2 is available. What we need to do is then go on to see if the colour drivers are available if GD2

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-04 Thread Rich Mellor
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:12:33 -, Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:00:27 -, Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dilwyn et al... Guess the only way of doing this is to try and use one of the new commands added by the device drivers to set the ink / paper

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-04 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 at 21:12:33, Rich Mellor wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) OK - found the documentation on Thierry's website - this should surely also be on the SMSQ/e site and possibly Marcel's ?? ... so what is Thierry's site. http://www.imaginet.fr/~godefroy/english/index.html no longer

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-04 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:00:52 +,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 at 21:12:33, Rich Mellor wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) OK - found the documentation on Thierry's website - this should surely also be on the SMSQ/e site and possibly Marcel's ?? ... so what is

Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2

2004-12-04 Thread James Hunkins
Thanks, was wondering what happened to his site. A major resource and I hated not being able to find it. Cheers, jim OK - found the documentation on Thierry's website - this should surely also be on the SMSQ/e site and possibly Marcel's ?? But this does :-) url:http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/