Re: [ql-users] One last try...
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes It's just me being cheap wry smile; family budget being tight, etc. I've got a copy of QPC1 which, as I understand it, only works under DOS? I was going to try it out on an old laptop (486 33MHz) which, I believe, it was developed for but. my lovely 5 year old daughter broke the ribbon cable connecting the screen to the system/keyboard.. hence a DOS partition as, I don't think, QPC1 will work under XP (or anywhere near it - probably DOS box configuration genius aside - too time consuming) When I get a round tuit I'll feedback how it works with 1GByte of DOS RAM?!? Yes, QPC1 does run on DOS. It will work fine with the 486 33MHz PC - I have one just like it. The reward is that is faster then the original QL, and you have access to a hard drive. The author, Marcel, is on this list and can give you any advice required I am sure, just ask. There are also some upgrades to QPC1 available on the web that make it behave with more colours, etc. I forget who wrote those ... ? And I haven't tried them myself. When you get it installed on a PC in DOS with XP it should zoom along, relatively. However QPC2 is well worth investing in, as it works as a program in Windows, which means of course that you can use it alongside other software installed. It also has access to all your devices ... the PC hard drive is seen as 'DOS1_', and other hard drives as 'DOS2_', etc. Also Removable Media, CD-Rom's etc. You can use it as a Window program in Windows, or let it take over the whole machine. A lot of different resolutions available, and new colour drivers. Finally, no, I'm not familiar with the newer software - I left off with Pointer Environment QPAC2, on 4meg SuperGoldCard with 2 31/2 inch floppy disk drives and an amber monitor with an LC10 dot matrix. Got me through my HND Computer Studies! Not bad though ... the PE is required for the latest software. Thanks again to the QUANTA community for getting me through those times. My future intentions are a return to UNIX via Linux and running modern QL software on it (or does the modern QL software no longer require another Operating System to run an emulator - I guess I should read more of the posts to this list and I'd know grin SMSQ has taken over from QDOS for many users, so will need that too. For a modest cost you will be upgraded. There are many readers on this list who also use UNIX / Linux, so you will not be alone ... :-) Good luck with whatever you do, and welcome to the list again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Cadman Sent: 13 April 2004 18:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] One last try... In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 10 Apr 2004 at 18:13, Malcolm Cadman wrote: I have the emulator, QPC2 with SMSQ/E, Pointer Environment, and most recently Dilwyn's Launchpad desktop. So it is just click on an icon to launch any software now :-) ... and, of course. it all multi-tasks in a hi-res with lots of colours. Why would you need a DOS partition for that (not you, Malcom, but David)? Wolfgang I got the impression that he is not familiar with the newer software emulators for QDOSMSQ. Which work with Windows. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On 10 Apr 2004 at 18:13, Malcolm Cadman wrote: I have the emulator, QPC2 with SMSQ/E, Pointer Environment, and most recently Dilwyn's Launchpad desktop. So it is just click on an icon to launch any software now :-) ... and, of course. it all multi-tasks in a hi-res with lots of colours. Why would you need a DOS partition for that (not you, Malcom, but David)? Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 10 Apr 2004 at 18:13, Malcolm Cadman wrote: I have the emulator, QPC2 with SMSQ/E, Pointer Environment, and most recently Dilwyn's Launchpad desktop. So it is just click on an icon to launch any software now :-) ... and, of course. it all multi-tasks in a hi-res with lots of colours. Why would you need a DOS partition for that (not you, Malcom, but David)? Wolfgang I got the impression that he is not familiar with the newer software emulators for QDOSMSQ. Which work with Windows. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Hi Y'all, It's just me being cheap wry smile; family budget being tight, etc. I've got a copy of QPC1 which, as I understand it, only works under DOS? I was going to try it out on an old laptop (486 33MHz) which, I believe, it was developed for but. my lovely 5 year old daughter broke the ribbon cable connecting the screen to the system/keyboard.. hence a DOS partition as, I don't think, QPC1 will work under XP (or anywhere near it - probably DOS box configuration genius aside - too time consuming) When I get a round tuit I'll feedback how it works with 1GByte of DOS RAM?!? Finally, no, I'm not familiar with the newer software - I left off with Pointer Environment QPAC2, on 4meg SuperGoldCard with 2 31/2 inch floppy disk drives and an amber monitor with an LC10 dot matrix. Got me through my HND Computer Studies! Thanks again to the QUANTA community for getting me through those times. My future intentions are a return to UNIX via Linux and running modern QL software on it (or does the modern QL software no longer require another Operating System to run an emulator - I guess I should read more of the posts to this list and I'd know grin Regards to all, And goodnight for now, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Cadman Sent: 13 April 2004 18:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] One last try... In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 10 Apr 2004 at 18:13, Malcolm Cadman wrote: I have the emulator, QPC2 with SMSQ/E, Pointer Environment, and most recently Dilwyn's Launchpad desktop. So it is just click on an icon to launch any software now :-) ... and, of course. it all multi-tasks in a hi-res with lots of colours. Why would you need a DOS partition for that (not you, Malcom, but David)? Wolfgang I got the impression that he is not familiar with the newer software emulators for QDOSMSQ. Which work with Windows. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:12:50 +0100, David Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Y'all, It's just me being cheap wry smile; family budget being tight, etc. I've got a copy of QPC1 which, as I understand it, only works under DOS? I was going to try it out on an old laptop (486 33MHz) which, I believe, it was developed for but. my lovely 5 year old daughter broke the ribbon cable connecting the screen to the system/keyboard.. hence a DOS partition as, I don't think, QPC1 will work under XP (or anywhere near it - probably DOS box configuration genius aside - too time consuming) When I get a round tuit I'll feedback how it works with 1GByte of DOS RAM?!? QPC 1 works with DOSBOX and Bochs (under XP). For the first one I have to blame Marcel that introduced me to it (That also means that it works everywhere that dosbox runs including BeOS/Zeta) Finally, no, I'm not familiar with the newer software - I left off with Pointer Environment QPAC2, on 4meg SuperGoldCard with 2 31/2 inch floppy disk drives and an amber monitor with an LC10 dot matrix. Got me through my HND Computer Studies! Thanks again to the QUANTA community for getting me through those times. My future intentions are a return to UNIX via Linux and running modern QL software on it (or does the modern QL software no longer require another Operating System to run an emulator - I guess I should read more of the posts to this list and I'd know grin Regards to all, And goodnight for now, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Cadman Sent: 13 April 2004 18:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] One last try... In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 10 Apr 2004 at 18:13, Malcolm Cadman wrote: I have the emulator, QPC2 with SMSQ/E, Pointer Environment, and most recently Dilwyn's Launchpad desktop. So it is just click on an icon to launch any software now :-) ... and, of course. it all multi-tasks in a hi-res with lots of colours. Why would you need a DOS partition for that (not you, Malcom, but David)? Wolfgang I got the impression that he is not familiar with the newer software emulators for QDOSMSQ. Which work with Windows. -- Visit the QL-FAQ at: http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/faq/ (Still uploading stuff!) Visit the uQLX-win32 homepage at: http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/uqlx.html Visit the uQLX-mac home page at:http://www.dokos-gr.net/ql/uqlxmac.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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David Isaacs writes: P.S. I now have a DOS 6.22 partition on my XP machine which will soon, I hope, proudly appear as a QL emulator on my boot menu choice (Boot Magic). And all my old QL software will have a new Pentium lease of life! You may find using your old QL or anything like it rather heavy going after all these years. The best QL emulator for the PC is the commercial QPC2. It should run most of your old software as well as all the new colourful stuff. Using QPC2 means you dont have to choose: you can have both your QL and your Windoze PC running at the same time. A demo version can be downloaded from the author Marcel Kilgus' site at http://www.kilgus.net/ Happy QL-ing! Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: On 8 Apr 2004 at 13:00, Dave P wrote: I actually didn't have Quanta in mind for this. I put 'someone' in quotes thinking this could be an individual, or many people. However, if Quanta thinks such a path is of interest to them, I am sure he would be interested. Especially if it was a package that included some support to help him move to England... OK, I'll go on record to subsidise this at the tume of 100 . I would be willing. Amount to be determined (100euro minimum). A business proposition would also be an option... Joachim Van der Auwera ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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OK, I'll go on record to subsidise this at the tume of 100 . Anybody else? Wolfgang You can count on me. However apparently the money would be welcome, but he has no plans to relocate (see Nasta discussion). Arnould ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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In Dave P wrote: I see two good opportunities for major developments that have minimal cost. One is SMSQ on a good emulator on linux on an ARM board (or other highly predictable hardware). As a RISC OS user I know ARM processors are slow (except for the Samsung Halla), with no 64 bit version yet. That said, ARM is low power, and very popular therefore should be around for a while yet. What is really needed is portable RISC OS computer, rather than a new OS for ARM CPUs. Your suggestion sounds a bit like the new Amiga OSes that run on PowerPC and use a 68K CPU for apps. The other is that 'someone' invites Nasta to the UK and gives him a room, power, and a network connection. I could invite him if wants to come, we have a room, power and broadband network connection which we have used for lodgers in the past, it now contains QLs. Norwich is a cheap place to live with a Maplins store in walking distance. Why would he need to be in the UK, surely a QL is QL? He is *so* close to a complete coldfire machine that a truly *tiny* investment and support would see the project through to completion. Maybe we could all sponsor him to the tune of 10 pounds each per week - just a few people could share the costs to house and equip him - he already has almost everything he needs... I am interested, but think Quanta should approach first with a business plan. -- Tarquin Mills RUNG (RISC OS Users, Norfolk Group) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/rung/ (running on RISC OS) New domain name coming one day http://rung.aaug.riscos/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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- Original Message - From: Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] One last try... In Dave P wrote: I see two good opportunities for major developments that have minimal cost. One is SMSQ on a good emulator on linux on an ARM board (or other highly predictable hardware). As a RISC OS user I know ARM processors are slow (except for the Samsung Halla), with no 64 bit version yet. That said, ARM is low power, and very popular therefore should be around for a while yet. What is really needed is portable RISC OS computer, rather than a new OS for ARM CPUs. Your suggestion sounds a bit like the new Amiga OSes that run on PowerPC and use a 68K CPU for apps. The other is that 'someone' invites Nasta to the UK and gives him a room, power, and a network connection. I could invite him if wants to come, we have a room, power and broadband network connection which we have used for lodgers in the past, it now contains QLs. Norwich is a cheap place to live with a Maplins store in walking distance. Why would he need to be in the UK, surely a QL is QL? He is *so* close to a complete coldfire machine that a truly *tiny* investment and support would see the project through to completion. Maybe we could all sponsor him to the tune of 10 pounds each per week - just a few people could share the costs to house and equip him - he already has almost everything he needs... I am interested, but think Quanta should approach first with a business plan. On the contrary, It isd up to whoever to contact Quanta with a business plan and proposals. John G. Quanta Treasurer. -- ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004, Tarquin Mills wrote: As a RISC OS user I know ARM processors are slow (except for the Samsung Halla), with no 64 bit version yet. That said, ARM is low power, That's not really true, or relevant. The slowest production ARM runs at 56MHz. The fastest ARM I know of runs at 1.2GHz. 64 bit isn't really relevant to emulating a 32-bit processor, so I think it's a bit of a red herring. I could invite him if wants to come, we have a room, power and broadband network connection which we have used for lodgers in the past, it now contains QLs. Norwich is a cheap place to live with a Maplins store in walking distance. Why would he need to be in the UK, surely a QL is QL? Working environment. Resources. Distractions. There are lots of obstacles to him doing it where he is. Since it's part of the EU, he can relocate to wherever can best support his efforts. If he chooses to. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Hmmm. As an (sadly) ex-Quanta Member, perhaps I shouldn't poke my nose in but grin There's not really any hard and fast rules here are there? If someone had a business plan they thought they might interest Quanta with then, true, it would be up to them to put it together and present it. However, if a body, such as Quanta, should wish to engage a consultant/contractor to carry out a job of work/project to further that bodies interests then they may well wish to put together a project plan/proposal and work together with the proposed consultant/contractor on the plan and contract terms, etc. There'y'go my tuppence. P.S. I now have a DOS 6.22 partition on my XP machine which will soon, I hope, proudly appear as a QL emulator on my boot menu choice (Boot Magic). And all my old QL software will have a new Pentium lease of life! bigger grin Regards and many thanks to all still carrying the Flag, Dave Isaacs Slough Berkshire PPS. Children, motorbikes and Windows Work stopped play when my QL hardware broke 5 or 6 years ago. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of thegilpins Sent: 10 April 2004 15:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] One last try... - Original Message - From: Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] One last try... In Dave P wrote: I see two good opportunities for major developments that have minimal cost. One is SMSQ on a good emulator on linux on an ARM board (or other highly predictable hardware). As a RISC OS user I know ARM processors are slow (except for the Samsung Halla), with no 64 bit version yet. That said, ARM is low power, and very popular therefore should be around for a while yet. What is really needed is portable RISC OS computer, rather than a new OS for ARM CPUs. Your suggestion sounds a bit like the new Amiga OSes that run on PowerPC and use a 68K CPU for apps. The other is that 'someone' invites Nasta to the UK and gives him a room, power, and a network connection. I could invite him if wants to come, we have a room, power and broadband network connection which we have used for lodgers in the past, it now contains QLs. Norwich is a cheap place to live with a Maplins store in walking distance. Why would he need to be in the UK, surely a QL is QL? He is *so* close to a complete coldfire machine that a truly *tiny* investment and support would see the project through to completion. Maybe we could all sponsor him to the tune of 10 pounds each per week - just a few people could share the costs to house and equip him - he already has almost everything he needs... I am interested, but think Quanta should approach first with a business plan. On the contrary, It isd up to whoever to contact Quanta with a business plan and proposals. John G. Quanta Treasurer. -- ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004, thegilpins wrote: On the contrary, It isd up to whoever to contact Quanta with a business plan and proposals. Since there is no business case for making any QL product, this isn't likely to happen. Which is why I suppested donations/sponsorship ;) There are other options, but some don't make as much sense as they used to. For example, it doesn't make sense to release a QXL-type 68K card, because machines are now so fast they can emulate the processor faster than the actual processor runs. It would be nice to hear from Nasta, privately or on list... :) Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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John Gilpin wrote: Tarquin Mills wrote: I am interested, but I think Quanta should be approached first with a business plan. On the contrary, It isd up to whoever to contact Quanta with a business plan and proposals. Which what I said. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes P.S. I now have a DOS 6.22 partition on my XP machine which will soon, I hope, proudly appear as a QL emulator on my boot menu choice (Boot Magic). And all my old QL software will have a new Pentium lease of life! bigger grin Plus you can have more fun with the another way of doing it ... add an emulator on top of Windows, and then have access to all the new software and effects available too. I have the emulator, QPC2 with SMSQ/E, Pointer Environment, and most recently Dilwyn's Launchpad desktop. So it is just click on an icon to launch any software now :-) ... and, of course. it all multi-tasks in a hi-res with lots of colours. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: OK, I'll go on record to subsidise this at the tume of 100 . Anybody else? Put me down for 100 pounds. Plus 25 pounds a month towards living expenses. Dave I will do the same: 100 pounds plus 25 pounds a month towards living expenses for up to a year as I am not clear as to the project definition but certainly willing to help fund Nasta's effort. I imagine Dave can help in getting the USD to pounds most effectively for people in the US wanting to help. -- Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On 9 Apr 2004 at 18:26, P Witte wrote: OK, I'll go on record to subsidise this at the tume of 100 ?. Anybody else? 100 what? Why, 100 question 'marks' of course. grin Pity they were replaced by the euro (which is what I meant, of course). Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, gwicks wrote: Sorry to keep on about this, but the question of Quanta financing Nasta's cards have been raised on this list several times. If Quanta does not get a request and a business plan, then nothing will happen! I actually didn't have Quanta in mind for this. I put 'someone' in quotes thinking this could be an individual, or many people. However, if Quanta thinks such a path is of interest to them, I am sure he would be interested. Especially if it was a package that included some support to help him move to England... Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On 8 Apr 2004 at 13:00, Dave P wrote: I actually didn't have Quanta in mind for this. I put 'someone' in quotes thinking this could be an individual, or many people. However, if Quanta thinks such a path is of interest to them, I am sure he would be interested. Especially if it was a package that included some support to help him move to England... OK, I'll go on record to subsidise this at the tume of 100 . Anybody else? Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Sadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes - Original Message - From: Dave P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] One last try... That is the question. The OS could sure use it! However, it isn't necessary, and while I think it is desirable, others may prefer emulation. One option is to incorporate the linux QL emulator into a custom linux kernel patch, and have a machine that boots directly to a QL desktop. I don't know what the emulation penalty would be, but it would open doors to having ARM assembly modes, etc... There are lots of options and I have no fixed ideas. What is possible, desirable, even practicable are all up for discussion. I just want to fully explore the options/possibilities with better minds than mine. I have been suggesting for a while is to create something that runs as a QL on a Linux kernel. It is the only way I can see of cracking the hardware problem. It also has the advantage that it run on any hardware that Linux will run on. This is a circular argument. Which results in use Linux. The point of SMSQ/E is that it isn't Linux. Which is why we use it. The advances in computing power on the horizon indicate that there will be enough room, power, speed, call it what you like; to be able to run any OS the user may please. Or indeed several at the same time ! SMSQ/E as it is now ... or its improved successor, needs application software and hardware access to make it popular. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Malcolm Cadman wrote: The advances in computing power on the horizon indicate that there will be enough room, power, speed, call it what you like; to be able to run any OS the user may please. Or indeed several at the same time ! Well, yeah... Kinda... I don't see any machines coming up that will be within two orders of magnitude to leading edge machines. Yes, two orders of magnitude. The only option that takes advantage of these high speeds is emulation in a shared environment. SMSQ/E as it is now ... or its improved successor, needs application software and hardware access to make it popular. Ironic, isn't it. The existing software is the biggest thing to encourage people to use SMSQ. It's also the biggest thing holding it back. It's painfully clear to me that the will simply doesn't exist to create a new OS in a more likely environment. If something is to happen it would involve emulation, and that's already well covered. It is really discouraging. No matter what path a project takes, 2/3rds of people won't approve and of those that do, few will participate. Having a highly developed, fast, full featured emulator on cheap, easy hardware just isn't important to most people. They're happy with what they've got. I don't blame them, but I don't feel that way. It's kind of stagnant? I see two good opportunities for major developments that have minimal cost. One is SMSQ on a good emulator on linux on an ARM board (or other highly predictable hardware). The other is that 'someone' invites Nasta to the UK and gives him a room, power, and a network connection. He is *so* close to a complete coldfire machine that a truly *tiny* investment and support would see the project through to completion. Maybe we could all sponsor him to the tune of 10 pounds each per week - just a few people could share the costs to house and equip him - he already has almost everything he needs... It would be cool to at least explore both possibilities. It's all a matter of opening up options, and even if they don't benefit us directly it's still a long term benefit if it opens up opportunities for getting new users. Respectfully, Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Dave P a écrit: Hi all... Timing is a bit off, but this isn't an April Fool joke... :) I have been working on a business venture in embedded computing. It involves computing for environmental controls. For this I have specified a hardware reference platform with minimal requirements that are quite high. I am now sitting on standard ARM 7500 complete system boards with the following spec: 64MHz EP7500FE ARM system on chip (200/400 MHz options) 2x 72 pin SIMM for FPM or EDO memory, up to 256MB. Three ROM sockets, 2MB flash, supports 6MB max. Parallel port, serial ports, floppy Dual channel IDE ATA/33 Integrated video: 800 x 600 @16.7M 1024 x 768 @32K 1600 x 1200 @256 Any user-customizable resolution/frame rate selectable. Integrated 10BaseT Ethernet Integrated ESS audio. 16 bit ISA slot Real time clock I2C bus I am now at the point of needing to obtain or create a basic OS and filesystem for my product. I have no real need to create anything, as Linux or BSD are available... but... [snip] Is there any demand/need for this? Pretty much you have to speak up now either way, or the project won't start... I discussed many years about this with Tony Tebby. And think I know his answer: what money do you have to pay him for that job? I tend to believe that this is the right reaction. So after you did the hardware (I think that needed some money to do), do you have the budget to start/finish the sotware? Then you could count on Tony and something much better than QDOS/SMSQ/E (possibly with a SMSQ/E emulator as a bonus). Arnould ___ QL-Users Mailing List
