Top post as new thought:
I just searched the archives, and there are less then 1000 emails about
unsubscribing since 2003. There are more then 70% (guess) which have nothing to
do
with unsubscription, and about 19 (plus this one) mails in this
thread... Counting the poccurrance of unsubscribe in
Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems,
both to us and the newbies (or otherwise e-mail clueless subscribers).
Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com
on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes:
Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to
I disagree that this message belongs at the top... That is rare in bulk mail I
receive, and seems unnecessarily intrusive. Addition of the word Unsubscribe
to clarify the function of the link seems in line with current use.
On 01/12/2014 9:15 AM, Martin Maechler wrote:
Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems,
both to us and the newbies (or otherwise e-mail clueless subscribers).
Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com
on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes:
Following on
Well, we can start with the footer and then see how many unsubscribe messages
continue to come R-help's way. Then, if it is not making an appreciable
difference, we can look into putting it in the top.
Btw, I have seen mailing list e-mails elsewhere with an unsubscribe line at the
top. I don't
Can the Gods of the mailing list please end this long email thread? All that
needs to be done is to add an unsubscribe link to messages sent by the server.
If this is technically feasible, please do it. If it is not let us know so we
can get on to other issues!
John
John David Sorkin M.D.,
Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com
on Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:47:02 -0600 writes:
Well, we can start with the footer and then see how many unsubscribe
messages continue to come R-help's way. Then, if it is not making an
appreciable difference, we can look into putting it in the
The headers listed below as being part of the ״raw email messages are
not seen, at least not in the messages I receive.
John
John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D.
Professor of Medicine
Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics
University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology and
Geriatric
Dear John
Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email certainly
has them when I go Options | View | Headers | All in Thunderbird.
Michael
On 30/11/2014 12:05, John Sorkin wrote:
The headers listed below as being part of the ״raw email messages are
not seen, at least not
2014 14:02:12 +
To: jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu, h...@biostat.ucsf.edu
Subject: Re: [R] please please unsubscribe
Dear John
Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email certainly
has them when I go Options | View | Headers | All in Thunderbird
I agree with this sentiment and suggestion. I can not see much of a downside to
it, with the exception that most of these unsophisticated users will probably
not even bother reading it. But then we would all be back in the current
situation, not worse.
Ranjan
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:58:23
My bad, r-help messages indeed have the unsubscribe header set. Also,
at least for Gmail a Precedence: bulk should be set in order to this
mechanism to work, as Henrik pointed out.
Currently the raw headers set precedence to list. I don't know the
technical differences of list and bulk, so maybe
Nov 2014 14:02:12 +
To: jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu, h...@biostat.ucsf.edu
Subject: Re: [R] please please unsubscribe
Dear John
Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email certainly
has them when I go Options | View | Headers | All in Thunderbird
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From: i...@aghmed.fsnet.co.uk
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:02:12 +
To: jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu, h...@biostat.ucsf.edu
Subject: Re: [R] please please unsubscribe
Dear John
Perhaps you have set your mail client to hide them? Your email
certainly
has them when I go Options
On 30/11/2014, 9:56 AM, Fábio Magalhães wrote:
My bad, r-help messages indeed have the unsubscribe header set. Also,
at least for Gmail a Precedence: bulk should be set in order to this
mechanism to work, as Henrik pointed out.
Currently the raw headers set precedence to list. I don't know
Duncan,
You are right, I've assumed precedence wouldn't break anything, but
looking a little more into this issue it seems some people use filters
based on this header and Gmail seems to be the only client that needs
bulk precedence set to make unsubscribe link work.
I think the question boils
On 30 Nov 2014, at 16:51 , Fábio Magalhães fmagalh...@gmail.com wrote:
Duncan,
You are right, I've assumed precedence wouldn't break anything, but
looking a little more into this issue it seems some people use filters
based on this header and Gmail seems to be the only client that needs
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, peter dalgaard wrote:
(a) would people actually take the hint, whatever we put in the footer?
Only some actually read everything and look for help at the bottom of the
message. Since Microsoft users almost always top post I wonder if they even
see the bottom of a
Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at the top
then, before the R-message?
Something like:
TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help
And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has pretty much
taken over,
i already sent this please unsusbscribe
passoword: 33311986
or 33311986dic
please unsubscribe me
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Requests like this appear from time to time. Would it make sense to
add a link to the bottom of the email messages generated by the mail
program that is labeled and goes directly to the unsubscribe page?
John
On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:26 AM, M. A. Parreñomap...@gmail.com
map...@gmail.com wrote:
In what way would that be unlike the link that is already there?
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I don't see a link that is labeled unsubscribe.
John
John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D.
Professor of Medicine
Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics
University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology and
Geriatric Medicine
Baltimore VA Medical Center
10 North Greene Street
GRECC
On 30/11/14 14:16, John Sorkin wrote:
I don't see a link that is labeled unsubscribe.
SNIP
On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Jeff Newmiller jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us
wrote:
In what way would that be unlike the link that is already there?
SNIP
On November 29, 2014 4:09:29 PM PST, John Sorkin
I think r-help list software supports unsubscribe headers. When this
option is enabled an additional header containing an unsubscribe link
is sent with every message do the list. This header is interpreted by
some email clients like Hotmail and Gmail, and a small unsubscribe
button is placed after
To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are trying to find
their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not in anyone's
interest.
John: I agree that adding the word unsubscribe to the footer would probably
help those lost enough to be mailing the list. The existing
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jeff Newmiller
jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
To be fair, Rolf, they have already found difficulty and are trying to find
their way out of this torrent, and impeding their way is not in anyone's
interest.
John: I agree that adding the word unsubscribe to
Any mailing list which respects its recipients makes unsubscribing as
easy as possible. If users are having trouble doing so, it's clearly not
easy enough.
I think putting a directly link in every message is certainly the right
thing to do.
On 11/29/2014 09:14 PM, Rolf Turner wrote:
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