I agree that the
Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are differenttypes of
documents, with different purposes and functions.And I have argued against
reading the Constitution through the lens of theDeclaration without an
extraordinary justification for doing so. But I do not
Bobby,
Thanks for the helpful summing up.
The Egyptian Constitution originally noted the Shariah (Islamic law) as a source of law. It was more recently amended (15 or so years ago) to make the Shariah the source of law.
I think one plausible reason god is not mentioned is the very varied
Steve. thanks for your illuminating post. Best, Bobby.
Robert Justin
LipkinProfessor of LawWidener University School of
LawDelaware
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In reading Kramnick and Moore, you might also wish to read Scott C.
Idleman, Liberty in the Balance: Religion, Politics, and American Constitutionalism,
71 Notre Dame L. Rev. 991 (1996),
which offers some critical commentary on the claims that they advance.
Dan Conkle
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I find this
persuasive, but not completely so. There's a wide gap, in my
estimation,between the "recognition of the havoc that governmental
connec
: God in the Constitution
I find this persuasive, but not completely so. There's a
wide gap, in my estimation, between the recognition of the havoc
that governmental connections to religion might produce and
avoiding any mention of the community's connection
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However, references to God in the Dec. of I were mostly
diestic rather
than to the Christian God or God of the Bible. It was to nature's
God and the creator.
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Krammick and Moore, THE GODLESS CONSTITUTION
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Was the omission of any mention of God in the Constitution an issue
discussed during the ratification debates? Is there literature
discussing whether
this omission was used as an argument against ratifying the
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Was the omission of any mention of God in the
Constitution an issue discussed during the ratification debates? Is
there literature discussing whether this omission was used as an
argument against ratifying the Constitution? Thanks.
Yes and yes.
Some New England antifederalists complained that the Constitution did not
establish religion. They of course lost the argument.
Paul Finkelman
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Some New
England antifederalists complained that the Constitution did not
establish religion.
Although perhaps
difficult to draw, in every case, I think there's a distinction between
New Englanders who complained about this wanted, at a minumum, a religious
test for officeholding. See Morton Borden, JEWS, TURKS AND INFIDELS.
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Robert Justin Lipkin wrote:
Nevertheless, it seems odd (that is, worthy of explanation if not
necessary) that the Constitution of a deeply devout population would
simply be silent on the issue of God. If so, some explanation seems
desirable, if not absolutely necessary.
I think the most
: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: God in the Constitution
Robert Justin Lipkin wrote:
Nevertheless, it seems odd (that is, worthy of explanation if not
necessary) that the Constitution of a deeply devout population would
simply be silent on the issue of God. If so, some
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think
the most likely explanation is federalism. Any recognition of God in
the federal Constitution could be read to imply a certain degree of
federal responsibility over a matters religious.
the Preamble or in the First Amendment. I like the discussion.
David W. New, Esq.
Washington, D.C.
202-333-2678.
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For
example, most historians agree that New Hampshire had anestablished
religion until 1817. However, the first state Constitution ofNew
Hampshire did not use the word "God" at all nor did it
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I think
there is no question that the framers of the U.S. Constitutionacknowledged
God. I cite George Washington's very first proclamation asPresident
of the United States on October 3, 1789. As
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Yes, the
term God is not in the Constitution, but its impossible to understand the
justification of the principles that are behind the text without understanding
the worldview from which they
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It is
true that some antifederalists wanted an acknowledgement of God in the
Const. But, if the majority of the framers wished to avoid a
realistic risk of suggesting implied federal power over
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It seems
to me that the inclusion or failure to include language acknowledging G-d
in the U.S. Constitution has little to do with the level of religiousity
in America at the time and a lot to do
.
Mark S. Scarberry
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It seems to me
amers believed that minimizing the connection between religious law and civil law was integral to American liberty. Francis Beckwith wrote:
Re: God in the Constitution It seems to me that being concerned about the absence or presence of the term God in the Constitution assumes an overly textualist view
issatisfaction and Scism, than harmony
and union. This illustrates how the framers believed that minimizing the
connection between religious law and civil law was integral to American liberty.
Francis Beckwith wrote:
Re: God in the Constitution It seems
to me that bei
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