Yansheng Lin wrote:
It doesn't sound right to me. Java still support deprecated methods
from years ago. Besides, when we look at the struts tag lib API
reference, there is no warning about these tags being deprecated.
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
IMHO, it would be a disservice to the Struts
I've never been a fan of having SQL tags (especially the updating ones) in
JSTL, for all the obvious reasons. However, there are a whole bunch of
developers in the world who are used to model 1 style development (VB, PHP,
PERL, Cold Fusion, ...), and it would not be fair for expert groups to
From: Mark Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd be interested in any research comparing the readability of the two
and seeing which site builders prefer.
logic:iterate
or
c:forEach
[...] but I confess I'm more concerned with writing code for humans
rather than compilers.
I tend to use
, 2003 9:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Using JSTL tags instead of Struts tags
I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use are
html
and tiles. I replaced my usage of the bean tags with the
fmt:message
tag and the Struts logic tags are all replaced
Food please!
Glenn
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I think this approach is bullshit. Why would you develop SQL tags to get
access
solid.
No Dog Food please!
Glenn
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I think this approach is bullshit. Why would you develop SQL tags
, 2003 11:30 AM
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I'm familiar with the tech idiom dog-food .. but I have no idea what
it is you're talking about please can you explain what you understand
by dog-food coding?
If your saying what I think you
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I'm familiar with the tech idiom dog-food .. but I have no idea what
it is you're talking about please can you explain what you understand
by dog-food coding?
If your saying what I think you are are you sure you're
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Couldn't agree with you more... an' sorry for the snide line, i think
i've got a little irritated over yesterdays efforts on this thread..
I just cant see why the JSTL standard
: Using JSTL tags instead of Struts tags
Mark,
As Glenn pointed out that there are different scales of applications, just
like PHP hacking might be more suited, JSTL might be more suited. With some
custom persistence tags to handle your business logic, you could easily
write a whole application
to do with Struts and much to do with the
JSTL.
David
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I'm familiar with the tech idiom dog-food
Davidson, Glenn wrote:
As an aside, Dog Food has a specific tech meaning? If it is not to much
trouble what exactly does it mean in techie
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/D/dogfood.html
Erik
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little to do with Struts and much to do with the
JSTL.
David
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I'm familiar with the tech idiom
Thanks!
I am chowing down now :-) !
Glenn
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Davidson, Glenn wrote:
As an aside, Dog Food has
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--- Davidson, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recently saw the term Dog Food and found it amusing. I
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Davidson, Glenn wrote:
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:59:31 -0400
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Thanks
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IMHO, it would be a disservice to the Struts community for Struts to keep
on innovating and maintaining its (now proprietary to Struts) expression
language, when the rest of the world is going to follow a different
standard.
Craig (who
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Yansheng Lin wrote:
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:24:30 -0600
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So I guess
I'd be interested in finding out about this too.
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A previous thread had encouraged me
A (HTSC, CASD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A previous thread had encouraged me to look into JSTL. It looks like
there
are several tags which I could use instead of Struts tags
: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:51 AM
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I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use are html
and tiles. I replaced my usage of the bean tags with the fmt:message
tag and the Struts logic tags are all
it and you will :-). The expression language is the best
thing since sliced bread.
David
- Keith
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more flexible.
Jacob
- Keith
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I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use
a little more flexible.
Jacob
- Keith
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I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use
.
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I started using JSTL but found that it encouraged site builders to
start embedding logic in JSP's. While I can see
.
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I started using JSTL but found that it encouraged site builders to
start embedding logic in JSP's. While I can
www.jstlbook.com
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can someone point me out a tutorial or a good book about JSLT.
Meissa
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can someone point me out a tutorial or a good book about JSLT.
Meissa
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I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use are
html
and tiles. I replaced my usage of the bean tags
parsing
objects in your own tags to make them a little more flexible.
Jacob
- Keith
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I don't have any
Hello,
From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, it doesn't encourage poor programming. Anyone can abuse the tags but
it's up to your designers to use them for view logic. If you provide
beans that perform the business logic, the page designers will have no
reason to implement that logic in
Agreed:).
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(I find in practice, it's almost impossible to keep bad programmers -or not
up to date with the more recent technos- away from applications)
--- Laurent PETIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, it doesn't encourage poor programming. Anyone can abuse the tags
but
it's up to your designers to use them for view logic. If you provide
beans that perform the business logic, the page
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Mark Lowe wrote:
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:29:07 +0100
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I started using JSTL
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, David Graham wrote:
It's a huge step *forwards* from the Struts tags. The JSTL is far more
powerful and easier to use. Plus, it's a standard so every Java web
developer is expected to know it.
Besides these advantages (which are correct), there's another important
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Mark Lowe wrote:
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:29:07
On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 12:34 America/Denver, Yuan, Saul (TOR-ML)
wrote:
I started using JSTL but found that it encouraged site builders to
start embedding logic in JSP's.
I'd sure be interested in some examples of this. JSTL doesn't really
provide anything more than what you could do
, 2003 3:11 PM
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On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 12:34 America/Denver, Yuan, Saul (TOR-ML)
wrote:
I started using JSTL but found that it encouraged site builders to
start embedding logic in JSP's.
I'd sure be interested in some examples
Yes, if every datasource in the universe is a set of tables in which the
schema never changes ;-)
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VERY easily use JSTL's
parsing
objects in your own tags to make them a little more flexible.
Jacob
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flexible.
Jacob
- Keith
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I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I
, which is considerably easier
than JDBC or EJBs.
david
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On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 12:34 America/Denver, Yuan
: White, Joshua A (HTSC, CASD)
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A previous thread had encouraged me to look into JSTL. It looks
like
there
are several tags which I could use instead of Struts
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I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use
are
html
and tiles. I
Is this the same David Geary that wrote, among others, Advanced JavaServer
Pages?
Mark
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On Thursday
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On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 14:40 America/Denver, David Graham wrote:
The work that you do with JSTL, and therefore in JSP pages instead of
actions, involves activities like iterating over data, conditional
tests, accessing
cool! I've got your books in my library.
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On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 15:18 America/Denver, Mark
: RE: Using JSTL tags instead of Struts tags
I don't have any documentation but the only Struts taglibs I use
are
html
and tiles. I replaced my usage of the bean tags with the
fmt:message
tag and the Struts logic tags are all replaced with a combination
of
the
c:if and c:forEach tags plus
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From: David Geary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 13:39 America/Denver, Joe Zendle wrote:
Yes, if every datasource in the universe is a set of tables
Then abstract your classes from the underlying protocol using interfaces and
implement an SOA solution.
Mark
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I think it's time for your lithium!
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Then abstract your classes from the underlying protocol using
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I think it's time for your lithium!
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