I belong to nothing to be traitorous about.
Or as it was put in Braveheart: I cannot be a traitor since I never swore
fealty to the English king..
Substitute any of the following in place of English King
Der Fruher
The Oil Cartel
The Emperor
Pimp and Prostitutes
Der Komindant
The Butcher
Fad creating headaches for wastewater treatment plant / sewerage works
managers...
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Paul other non-believers: Please leave God out of your discussion! Show
some respects toward other members!
Thanks you!
Political Discussion: It will die down when the war is over, please have
patience and also respect each others!
Thor,
I have a video card and if it is working, I can start
to do the DVDs. At this point it is possible to put
them on my server, for you to look at and download.
Hakan
At 09:16 PM 3/22/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Hakan,
No apology necessary. I'm glad you followed it up
tho. I'm a bit of a
Paul,
I am still waiting for you, to show your expertise in
history and especially your knowledge of the events
in and around Guernica.
Hakan
At 08:31 PM 3/22/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Paul,
Your comment would have been a little bit constructive,
if you tell me why it is not comparable. Both
Keith,
I second this and think that Thor is right. I would
be surprised if the members of this list supports
name calling anyway, it is not my experience.
Paul is only hurting himself and I do not think that
it is going to escalate to a general behavior if you
allow him to do that.
Hakan
At
I am brand new member on this list.
When do we start talking about biofuel?
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:21:48 +0100
Keith,
I second this and think that Thor
I think you're right. A trade deficit would seem to be like a store having
a non-stop sale. The sale of cash ... for a reduced amount of product.
Then you give away the store .. and the store goes broke.
National Deficit ... I also think you're right. Deficit Spending DOES seem
a little
Aloe, Dave: +We have
enough energy for the next 400 years if the damn Yankees don't steal
it.
You lost that war, remember, so it belongs to us.
a damn yankee, Don Strong
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Your bloated messages are irrelevent to this newsgroup and amount to
denial of service spam.
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Vern there is a difference between a topic cop and interceding re a flamer.
You can't see that?
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 12:55 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Arrogance of Power and
I think you're right. A trade deficit would seem to be like a store having
a non-stop sale. The sale of cash ... for a reduced amount of product.
Then you give away the store .. and the store goes broke.
National Deficit ... I also think you're right. Deficit Spending DOES seem
a little
couldn't help but remember when this was in the news and the big
topic was Cliton put the usa under full control of the U.N. . and no one
said a word our troops wear the un insignia and the only person to buck
it was a private New. you may be able to find an article on him doing
this .
Sell me something I will buy.
I think the subject line to your email says it all.
Any view contrary to yours is SPAM.
Don't be so blatantly dishonest. That small text file didn't deny you any
service.
Too bad you couldn't answer what the author said instead of your childish
attempt at
Hi Kirk,
What part of I must say that in this case I agree that you have acted
correctly did you not understand?
If you would read what I said you may see that I was only pointing out to
Keith that he has been carrying water on both shoulders, I assume that as
he has not responded he did
Come on people, this whole left/right wing bickering is
getting us nowhere. I'd like to try and make a little sense
out of this whole mess, so we can get back to constructive
discussions.
First and foremost, I think we can all agree that all
governments are corrupt. Every one of them is only
Hello,
I would really appreciate it if someone on this list could help me chose
the correct filter size for my VW Jetta '90 non turbo.
I know that I use about 7 litres an hour on the highway, but I also know
that the pump asks for a lot more fuel than it uses. I am going to purchase
Mark Ehle wrote
I am brand new member on this list.
Welcome!
When do we start talking about biofuel?
Three years ago and ever since, up to now and beyond. There are these
links at the bottom of every message, have you checked them?
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Kris,
Eloquently put, and I agree absolutely.
Craig
You wrote:
Come on people, this whole left/right wing bickering is
getting us nowhere. I'd like to try and make a little sense
out of this whole mess, so we can get back to constructive
discussions.
First and foremost, I think we can
Respond to the above by tomorrow. Defiance would be ill-advised. Your
posting privileges have been withdrawn until you settle this
satisfactorily.
Keith Addison
List owner
Lets see you are now the List owner not just the good shepherd you have
us believe when you wrote:
I've never called
Hi Andrew
except that you're not a dog, I'm not a dog, and its not only dogs that
you
are killing. Indeed the colonial histories of the France's, Britain's,
Portugal's,
Spain, etc. to infinity, don't often look too honourable. So why follow
their example?
Interesting to note that
+ And you will not tell this list what to do.
Respond to the above by tomorrow. Defiance would be ill-advised. Your
posting privileges have been withdrawn until you settle this
satisfactorily.
Keith Addison
List owner +++
A-H, the topic cop comes out of the bushes.
Don
Hello Thor, Hakan
Keith,
I second this and think that Thor is right. I would
be surprised if the members of this list supports
name calling anyway, it is not my experience.
Paul is only hurting himself and I do not think that
it is going to escalate to a general behavior if you
allow him to do
Hello Todd and all
- Original Message -
From: Paul Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Arrogance of Power
snip
Let's get back on topic.
Paul
And then he posts four more times off topic. Go figure.
Tricia Liu wrote:
Paul other non-believers: Please leave God out of your discussion! Show
some respects toward other members!
Thanks you!
I agree with what you're saying Tricia, but some people have talked
about God here in the past without any
Hi Kirk,
What part of I must say that in this case I agree that you have acted
correctly did you not understand?
Disconnect.
If you would read what I said you may see that I was only pointing out to
Keith that he has been carrying water on both shoulders, I assume that as
he has not responded
I've been wondering recently how higher fuel prices will impact the
production of biodiesel, which requires methanol (a fossil input), and
ethanol, which requires some kind of heat energy (frequently derived
from fossil fuels) for distillation.
Some of the people on this list have
Actually, what I meant was, it really looks like this list is more about
politics than biofuel.
Is and has it always been this way? If so, I will just unsubcribe and you
all can keep doing what you do.
Otherwise - I am going to be making biodiesel this summer. Anybody have any
experience
Uhwhatever happened to repatriation in the figurative sense of the
practice?
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: Donald Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Gasoline From Coal
Aloe, Dave:
... especially the last bit.
Stuart Kreitman wrote:
Kirk:
Your bloated messages are irrelevent to this newsgroup and amount to
denial of service spam.
Take your myopic political sentiments elsewhere.
Mr Kreitman, you will not dictate what is relevant and irrelevant to
this newsgroup [sic],
Hakan,
I think you are right as usual.
It is time for Keith to moderate his responses. He is supposed to be the
list moderator
Ken
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul
Actually, what I meant was, it really looks like this list is more about
politics than biofuel.
Not so at all - there is a definite grey area between the two though.
Members have said things like this:
nauseating when viewed from a non-American perspective. The problems
are compounded by many
Hakan
Do you know anything about the Nazi submarine U234. It was featured in a UK
Channel 4 programme entitled 'Last Missions oif WWll'
Seemingly, it was carrying a whole load of secret material and designs for
the japanese to progress and the fall of Germany.
Included was a complete Me262 for
Robert,
I don't know if its delight that's being expressed more than it's a
thankfulness that some market corrections are coming into play and that
perhaps the playing field is becoming a little more level.
Most are aware that higher fuel costs disproportionally harm those of lesser
income.
Hakan,
I think you are right as usual.
It is time for Keith to moderate his responses. He is supposed to be the
list moderator
Ken
And you Mr Basterfield? Trolling again, are you? - grinding your
little axe? It wouldn't be about time for you to moderate your
responses, would it? You want me to
Hi Todd
Robert,
I don't know if its delight that's being expressed more than it's a
thankfulness that some market corrections are coming into play and that
perhaps the playing field is becoming a little more level.
Most are aware that higher fuel costs disproportionally harm those of lesser
If you want a good list you should stop these things before they start.
You
should state clearly in the rules that these types of postings will not
be
tolerated. Frankly, my outburst was caused by your inaction. You should
have nipped it in the bud.
No doubt someone will correct me if I'm
Ken,
I would consider it more analogous to letting mice run free in the grainery
under the assumption that they'll get gorged and eventually stop feeding.
It just doesn't happen. If left unchecked to some degree (in this case the
degree being the level of personal attack) the mice propigate,
Mark,
Everything you need to make biofuels can be found at the
Journey to Forever Web site and any specific questions that
you have will get answered here, believe it or not.
All this war crap got started just about three or four
weeks ago and will go away very soon(at least most of it
will).
If memory serves, there was at one time a pink-bubble wrapped hot water tank
fastened inside some sort of wood frame that was being touted as a vacuous
processor or something similar.
Or was it a site that was referenced on this list and hot linked to?
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message
Okay, so it's easy to throw 10 or 15 pounds of burger chips and grill scrapings
into a compost heap. What the opossums and raccoons don't get the worms will.
But has anyone seen any type of an inexpensive hydraulic ram set up that can
get the last drops of fat out of the solids prior to
OIL PRESS
Todd: How about modifying one of the common log splitters ? ( think potato
ricer on the end of the ram).
Don Strong, proud tennis-ball machine
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When do we start talking about biofuel?
What have you got to say? What do you want to know?
EdB
- Original Message -
From: Mark Ehle
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul
I am brand new member on this list.
Ken,
No, I have heard the same stories and others. My main interest
in and about WWII have been quite normal reading, except for
the quite large exposure I had from people that lived trough it on
both sides, in one way or the other. I am generally interested in
history and especially
Ken,
I am surprised that you could read this message in what I wrote.
It is maybe needed that I once again have to say what I sad so
many times, that I am afraid to embarrass Keith. I have never seen
such a good moderator with sense for what people need to talk
about in such a political issue
can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with
gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of
ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a
suitable use. thanks.
jk
Jack Kenworthy
Sustainable Systems
ROFFLE ROFFLE!!!
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul
Todd,
You would be surprised of how much mice excrements that
are allowed in grains by the health
Todd,
You would be surprised of how much mice excrements that
are allowed in grains by the health authorities. -:)
Hakan
At 04:18 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Ken,
I would consider it more analogous to letting mice run free in the grainery
under the assumption that they'll get gorged and
Hi Jack,
You will probably get the answer from the whole list, but
up to 10% Ethanol seems to be a limit that all agree on.
Hakan
At 05:42 PM 3/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with
gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline
OK, I lied, this isn't about biofuels per se, but
rather about home energy generation.
I am rebuilding my house in Seattle, and want to go
with passive solar heating supplemented with an
efficient wood fireplace insert (see, biofuels!).
My question is about solar water heating. I'd like to
There are two more important consideraations when using ethanol or methanol
mixtures in gasoline.
One is the corossive nature of alcohol and its effect on seals, gaskets and
hoses. There is also mild corrosion of aluminum. Limiting the mix ratio
keeps it minimal.
The other is that
I think the all time record for contaminants allowed though is held by
chocolate.
I still like the stuff though.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 3:59 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul
snip
My point is that even you turn to violent threats and ultimatums and can do
so because you have the power to do it on this list. What is that old like
about power corrupts?
end snip
The discipline was invoked re flaming. Keith said he is not a topic cop and
he isn't.
Flamers are another
Thor Skov wrote:
My question is about solar water heating. I'd like to
use solar panels and recaptured waste water heat to
preheat water, store it in tanks, and then pipe it to
electric on-demand heaters at the point of usage.
Does anyone know of a design for such a system? I
really
Paul,
Since I learned that you have the posting rights again and I
hope that name calling is no longer necessary, I will post
may answer on the list as follows,
At 11:31 AM 3/23/2003 -0800, you wrote:
My replies to the group have apparently been blocked, although I am getting
the posts. So
25 years ago I knew a phD at the lab who just ran 3/4 pvc back and forth in
his attic instead of a fan coil unit. He placed the unions outside so if a
joint failed it would not flood. He was getting 140 to 160 degree F water in
the summer.
http://www.solarattic.com/dhw.htm
-Original
I remember a grey water system article in Mother Earth News where the heat was
recovered from waste water , and used to flush the toilets. There was a system
where heat was stored in barrels of water in the basement as well.
Perhaps someone has an index from Mother Earth and can find the
Thor,
I am doing the part of solar heating and heat
on demand in my house and it works fine. It
is however somewhat different to what you are
describing, depending on what you mean with
point of demand. You must have separate feed
of hot and cold water to the point of demand.
I have a tank of
Boil [remove water], filter, try to make fuel?
I don't know, slop from a dumpster could have anything in it. I would
assume it would be possible to press potato chips and get oil out. They
soak up a lot of oil from the deep-frying process. There are bacteria
used to eat oil. For example in
As someone else said 10% would be fine. Don't bother buying anything
higher than 87 octane if you add the ethanol, the ethanol will raise the
octane a couple points. You may want to consider adding some dry gas
if you mix the gasoline with ethanol. Water will cause problems with the
mixture.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 05:03 am, Greg and April wrote:
I knew it went back farther than WW2, just couldn't find a reference. Do
you have some I can check out?
yerah, somewhere, but I'd have to dig... I suggest google...
wait...
*sigh* just googled for assasin and history... no useful hits,
Martin,
That's the standard practice done here, or at least heating the fats and
oils to 140*F and let to settle. But it's the bottom 10% of the meats and
chips and fines mixed with oil that needs to have as much oil pressed out of
it as possible.
Up to this point I was contemplating a 25
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) Mistaken my quote It's a book.
oops! (silly mistake)
J
yeah. All the best ones are...
If one considers that, with a few notable exception (napalm and nylon), most
discoveries occur with a that's funny instead of a eureka!, then
Boil [remove water], filter, try to make fuel?
I don't know, slop from a dumpster could have
anything in it.
I'd be most concerned about high levels of
saturated fats -- that's what usually inspires
ME to throw out the last of a barrel. The sat.
fats continue to settle in the barrel -- even-
On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:34 am, girl_mark_fire wrote:
Calif. does have the most expensive fuel prices (petroleum, not just
biodiesel) in the US- and that's not necessarily the fault of taxes-
just fuel sellers taking advantage of their random and corporate
right to charge people whatever the
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:14 pm, Keith Addison wrote:
---
We have in Canada, a massive store of petroleum in the Athabasca Tar
Sands. Estimates are that it is 400 times (or was it 4,000) times
the known regular world oil reserves. It is oil soaked shale,
costly to extract.
there are so many
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:35 pm, Mark Ehle wrote:
I am brand new member on this list.
When do we start talking about biofuel?
I know you are trying damn hard to ignore it, but i believe this was a
sarcastic comment about the amount of OT content, especially about the
current hostilities,
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:16 pm, Ken Provost wrote:
Boil [remove water], filter, try to make fuel?
I don't know, slop from a dumpster could have
anything in it.
I'd be most concerned about high levels of
saturated fats -- that's what usually inspires
ME to throw out the last of a barrel. The
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:42 am, Jack Kenworthy wrote:
I have a 55 gall drum
of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with
out of curiosity, why not?
--
Dr Paul van den Bergen
Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures
caia.swin.edu.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IM:bulwynkl2002
It's a book.
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:23 am, Thor Skov wrote:
OK, I lied, this isn't about biofuels per se, but
rather about home energy generation.
I am rebuilding my house in Seattle, and want to go
with passive solar heating supplemented with an
efficient wood fireplace insert (see, biofuels!).
my
I hope some of you can help explain to me what I have seen of late.
I am a biodiesel novice and no chemist. I have spent a couple of months now
building my one-litre biodiesel processing plant. This is intended to model
my
plans for a larger 100-150 litre setup to come later. But I want to
A friend of mine was/is building a recycled house. He used wooden beams
from a factory being torn down. The structure is either a hexagon or a
decagon shape, I can't remember exactly. It has a center concrete
column, this is where the interesting part is. There is a heavy wood
stove at the
If you thought you had the skills to fabricate it yourself, it shouldn't
cost too much. I don't know how much used seed presses cost. I live in a
degenerated agriculture area. I don't know if anyone around here ever
grew crops to extract the oil.
Appal Energy wrote:
Martin,
That's the
Hi Hakan
So now Paul Schwartz chooses to continue his foolishness off-list by
writing to you.
He sent me two more letters off-list, both sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], but addressing me by name, so he
knows the score on that well enough. In the first he protested again
that he'd been booted for
Hi Todd, Robert
If memory serves, there was at one time a pink-bubble wrapped hot water tank
fastened inside some sort of wood frame that was being touted as a vacuous
processor or something similar.
:-) Don't be rude. Vacuum.
Or was it a site that was referenced on this list and hot linked
Some of the people on this list have expressed delight at the higher
gasoline prices we're seeing. Here in Vancouver, a liter of regular
currently ranges from about .74 to as high as .87, depending on the
area. We're starting to see these higher prices impact food costs, so
even
Hey Keith,
No, memory succesfully jogged, thankyou. That's Dale's touchless
processor, I forgot it was a water heater tank, and didn't at all
connect it with the glass-lined tank Robert found - would Dale's tank
be glass-lined?
Chances are more than good. It's one of the two norms - glass
Have you considered making up a centrifuge to spin the mass and get the oil
out? Some of the apple growers have adapted Scharf spin dryers and even
washing machines for use as a centrifuge in cider production.
EdB
- Original Message -
From: Appal Energy
To:
Keith Addison wrote:
No, memory succesfully jogged, thankyou. That's Dale's touchless
processor, I forgot it was a water heater tank, and didn't at all
connect it with the glass-lined tank Robert found - would Dale's tank
be glass-lined? Anyway, it's here:
http://www.downtoearth.org.in/cover.asp?foldername=20021031filename=M
iscsid=1sec_id=9
down to earth, online
Oct 31 02
From the barrel of oil
Geopolitics is not only about war and peace. It is about controlling
the world resources, particularly 'black gold'. Several international
conflicts
What exactly is vegetable oil, chemically? I know it's not just a plain
hydrocarbon -- at least I think.
Ken Provost wrote:
Boil [remove water], filter, try to make fuel?
I don't know, slop from a dumpster could have
anything in it.
I'd be most concerned about high levels of
saturated
Yahh...,
Something along those lines. But it would have to be a vertical log
splitter. Still have to design a screen basket that won't split under the
pressure.
I suppose I could go to the museum and ask if I can rent one of Guttenberg's
first screw presses. After all, he's not using it
And to think...all I wanted to do was squeeze the guts out of a few hundred
pounds of oil soaked burger chips
I wouldn't consider the saturated fats necessarily a low grade feedstock,
nor the biodiesel from same to necessarily be inferior. It would just have a
higher cloud point is all.
Paul writes:
wouldn't you be better off keeping the high grade stuff (e.g. initial
waste oil) as your biodiesel feed stock and using the waste being
discussed here in some sort of methane digester to produce a nice
high grade methane feedstock- e.g. for use to make methanol?
I'm not sure
All veg oils and animal fats are composites of different fatty acids in
different ratios, ie palmitic, stearic, arachnic, linoleic, lanoleic, etc.
These acids are generally bound to a glycerin molecule, erego the term
triglycerides.
The ratios of these constituent acids (oils) differ from
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:30 pm, Appal Energy wrote:
And to think...all I wanted to do was squeeze the guts out of a few hundred
pounds of oil soaked burger chips
I wouldn't consider the saturated fats necessarily a low grade feedstock,
nor the biodiesel from same to necessarily be
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:16 pm, bratt wrote:
Have you considered making up a centrifuge to spin the mass and get the oil
out? Some of the apple growers have adapted Scharf spin dryers and even
washing machines for use as a centrifuge in cider production.
Hey! you've been litstening to my brain
If I am not mistaken, the glass lined statement was another advertising
agency con-job. Glass lined was referring to the thin layer of fiberglass
insulation wrapped around a steel tank.
They never ever said glass lined tank, although most customers were missled
to believe that was what was
You won't really want to hear one idiots idea that was proposed to release the
shale oil -- using small nuclear bombs.
On the topic of underground fires, we have one in the Canadian maritimes that
was burning begore the arrival of Columbus. It appeared in the writings that
are used to verify
A piece of sched 80 steel pipe could handle the force
You probably couldn't get one big enough to hold 25 gallons though.
Appal Energy wrote:
Yahh...,
Something along those lines. But it would have to be a vertical log
splitter. Still have to design a screen basket that won't split under the
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:42 am, Donald Strong wrote:
OIL PRESS
Todd: How about modifying one of the common log splitters ? ( think potato
ricer on the end of the ram).
Don Strong, proud tennis-ball machine
there was a list in Joshua Tickells book From the fryer to the fuel tank...
I will
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:42 am, Donald Strong wrote:
OIL PRESS
Todd: How about modifying one of the common log splitters ? ( think potato
ricer on the end of the ram).
Don Strong, proud tennis-ball machine
[he's found his niche! LOL!]
there was a list in Joshua Tickells book From the
Hi Todd
Hey Keith,
No, memory succesfully jogged, thankyou. That's Dale's touchless
processor, I forgot it was a water heater tank, and didn't at all
connect it with the glass-lined tank Robert found - would Dale's tank
be glass-lined?
Chances are more than good. It's one of the two
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