Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-04-01 Thread Christopher Morris
Hey Keith, I'm sorry, but I can't buy into this. Even on a small scale algae will out produce anything out there. Even if it's harder to do at the beginning; it can actually solve this problem. I can't see any good reason to go for another crop that really doesn't have a chance to do it.

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-04-01 Thread Keith Addison
Hey Keith, I'm sorry, but I can't buy into this. You certainly can't buy into algae. Even on a small scale algae will out produce anything out there. Sigh... Let's try it again. I'll SHOUT this time. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BIODIESEL FROM ALGAE. FULL STOP. You're living in a fantasy.

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-04-01 Thread Tom Kelly
Anyone interested in the compatibility of hydrated ethanol with gasoline might want to look at Figure 14-14 on p 357 of David Blume's Alcohol Can Be A Gas. The figure is entitled Fuel Compatibility Among Water, Ethanol, and Gasoline. It is a diagram produced by the Society of Automotive

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-31 Thread Tom Kelly
@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol You do not need to denature unless you sell the ethanol. This has nothing to do with the permit process. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2011, at 13:16, Dave Hajoglou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-31 Thread Tom Kelly
ethanol The emails were clipped.  So I am not sure if this came from Dave or Tom.  Sorry to maybe have it crossed. --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol To: sustainablelorgbiofuel

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-31 Thread Christopher Morris
Does anyone have any tips about the production of b100 using ethanol from wvo and/or algae? I believe ethanol will be the best bet for me b/c of cost and danger/ regulations, even though it's harder to work with. All the tips will be much much appreciated, especially for the times I don't

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Christopher Does anyone have any tips about the production of b100 using ethanol from wvo and/or algae? I already told you this: There's no such thing as biodiesel from algae apart from a few lab samples. When it does eventually emerge it will almost certainly be on the industrial

[Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Kelly
In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons of unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home brewer is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. A

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Dave Hajoglou
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:     In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons of unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home brewer is

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Joe Street
Methanol is a little more corrosive than ethanol but at that dilution rate that might not be noticeable. The air fuel ratio is a little different but again not an issue at that dilution level. I'd say go ahead if you really want to denature it. Can your flex fuel ranger really burn 100%

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread tdw364
You do not need to denature unless you sell the ethanol. This has nothing to do with the permit process. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2011, at 13:16, Dave Hajoglou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to get a permit to

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Kelly
, Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:47 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol Methanol

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Tom Kelly
@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol You do not need to denature unless you sell the ethanol. This has nothing to do with the permit process. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2011, at 13:16, Dave Hajoglou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Terry Wilhelm
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:16 PM On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:     In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United States

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Terry Wilhelm
The emails were clipped.  So I am not sure if this came from Dave or Tom.  Sorry to maybe have it crossed. --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

2011-03-30 Thread Dave Hajoglou
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, I had to come back to this email to ask you a few questions about your post. 1. Where did you get any of this information from? 2. What are you talking about, The problem for the home brewer  is that water in the