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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:19:41 +0900
Hi Kirk,
I am not sure were your 3000 acres are but here in BC, Canada, you
would have to have a farm inspected by certified organic
Verification people not only for fertilizer
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:25:24 +0900
Hi Terry
Hi Keith,
I believe in the 100 mile diet (mostly locally grown food) and organic
food.
Believe? Have faith in? It's not a religion, no need for faith.
100 miles
or retail stores.
Terry Dyck
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:25:24 +0900
Hi Terry
Hi Keith,
I believe in the 100
Maybe that's why the dumpster behind the organic food store here is always
so full -- I know of at least 3 local co-ops that get most of their
vegetables from this dumpster. My entire breakfast today was almost
entirely from there (the eggs in the french toast indirectly -- my friends
feed their
enforce safety
standards for consumers who want to buy real organically grown food.
Terry Dyck
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16
plus many other
conditions such as no drugs or antibiotics.
Terry Dyck
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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:48:03 -0800 (PST)
We
.
Terry Dyck
From: Kirk McLoren
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:48:03 -0800 (PST)
We ran 3000 acres. A small operation. My stepdads brother ran the
slaughterhouse
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:48:03 -0800 (PST)
We ran 3000 acres. A small operation. My stepdads brother ran the
slaughterhouse and meatmarket in town. The only grain they got was
a scoop of feed so their head was down so you could
a
sustainable option at all.
Best
Keith
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:50:06 +0900
Hi Kirk,
Even the so called grass fed
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There are so many assumptions made in these analysis I fail to get
excited. When man was chipping flint
and the cause is run off from factory cattle and hog farms.
There are lots of scientific studies done on this.
Terry Dyck
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:50:06 +0900
Hi Kirk,
Even the so called grass fed cows spend their last days on special
feed lots to fatten them up. When I was involved with a
certification of organic
studies done on this.
Terry Dyck
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:36:39 -0800 (PST)
There are so many assumptions made in these analysis I fail to get
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:01:32 -0500
Terry,
Unable to find the information you referred to at Grist Magazine's web
site, I went to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization's site
and found a book called Livestock
. Today we'll blame livestock for the mess we're in tomorrow
we'll be blaming the damn anaerobes living in the guts of termites.
Tom
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Hi Tom
Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:53:48 -0500
Seems to me that humans are doing a pretty good job of eliminating
humans, by means direct and indirect.
Getting back to Al Gore and the movie, An Inconvenient Truth.
I think Mr. Gore deserves whatever applause he is getting
Nice post Darryl;
I agree with you on all points. I'm sure Gore's excesses are not out of
line with others in his social circles but all of these elite people
combined draw a drop of the bucket compared to the masses and businesses
of the world. This does not give them license of course,
. Those are world
totals.
Terry Dyck
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 02:54:06 +0900
Hi Terry
Hi Keith,
I'm not sure how
: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Hi Terry
Thanks for finding the ref.
Hi Keith,
You asked for a link to the the UCS quote. It was from the Green
Issue of the Vancouver Sun newspaper in Nov. (Vancouver, BC, Can.)
The actual quote was, Methane produced by waste
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Hi Keith,
Because the source of the facts came from the Vancouver Sun's Green
Issue
in
Nov. I am not sure of were the Original Union of Concerned Scientists
study
On 3/4/07, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Wendell
snip
By the way, I seem to recall that termites are the source
of 20 percent of the world's methane. I am no entomologist --is
there any known benefit to man or beast from termites?
If not, let's get 'em!
I think alot
Seems to me that humans are doing a pretty good job of eliminating
humans, by means direct and indirect.
Getting back to Al Gore and the movie, An Inconvenient Truth.
I think Mr. Gore deserves whatever applause he is getting. Coming from
his community (professional politician, wealth), it
mile diet is
important too.
Terry Dyck
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:13:55 +0900
Hi Terry
Thanks for finding the ref.
Hi
From: Keith Addison keith at journeytoforever.org
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:13:55 +0900
Hi Terry
Thanks for finding the ref.
Hi Keith,
You
. Al Gore met both of
these points.
Terry Dyck
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:27:39 +0900
What does this mean, Kirk, it's
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 02:54:06 +0900
Hi Terry
Hi Keith,
I'm not sure how the math works out but you have to take into
consideration
that methane gas is 23 times more
.
Terry Dyck
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
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Hi Terry
Hi Keith,
I'm not sure how the math works out but you have
all of the
information. There could still be a discussion going on about this topic on
their site.
Terry Dyck
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Hi Terry
Thanks for finding the ref.
Hi Keith,
You asked for a link to the the UCS quote. It was from the Green
Issue of the Vancouver Sun newspaper in Nov. (Vancouver, BC, Can.)
The actual quote
, seems to
me.
Thanks Terry.
Best
Keith
Terry Dyck
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900
Hello Terry
Hi Kirk
.
Terry Dyck
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900
Hello Terry
Hi Kirk,
If all of us did what we should be doing our
OK, one more hypocrite in a nation full of them. When I read someone
harping about an electric gate, I have to think how much more of the
article contains other silly concerns.
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:-)
Spin sure works well huh? See how easy it is to distract and redirect
attention from what matters
Randall wrote:
Terry,
BIG SNIP
But, I suppose the important and inconvenient truth in this matter is that
Al is a politician--period. Actions speak MUCH MUCH louder than words..
Nonsense, they most certainly do not.
End of the day, there are hundreds of thousands of folks walking the
talk.
Kirk McLoren wrote:
If he used the power in his business ok but
natural gas lanterns in his yard
Those are decorative - if you want light you dont burn a torch.
So if he wont curb personal indulgance he doesnt believe what he espouses
for the rest of us..
Forget weak flesh - how
regards
tallex
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:-)
Spin sure works well huh? See how easy it is to distract and redirect
attention from what matters
I would like to personally thank all of you in helping to cure my ignorance.
From:Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power UseDate:Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900Hi Fred
: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
I would like to personally thank all of you in helping to cure my ignorance.
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL
Hello Keith,
How do you equate GHGs to overall pollution?
I equate GHG's to overall pollution in this instance because Mr. Gore
positions himself as an environmental advocate. Granted, most recently, Mr.
Gore has spoken almost entirely about Global Warming. I see no reason to
limit the
Chip,
But, I suppose the important and inconvenient truth in this matter is
that
Al is a politician--period. Actions speak MUCH MUCH louder than words..
Nonsense, they most certainly do not.
Then we can all rest easy...Big Business is going to help...and they care
...At ExxonMobil, we
Hello Randall
Hello Keith,
How do you equate GHGs to overall pollution?
I equate GHG's to overall pollution in this instance because Mr. Gore
positions himself as an environmental advocate. Granted, most recently, Mr.
Gore has spoken almost entirely about Global Warming. I see no reason to
Well said Chip!
I haven't seen it, but I was wondering when someone would say the
movie is a soft sell. It would have to be, wouldn't it?
As for whether actions speak louder than words, another case in point
is the speech that put environmental issues on the map and on
everybody's lips almost
Hello Keith,
Indeed it is, but the subject under discussion is about global
warming, not about general pollution, and I think I agree with
Michael Klare about how relevant general pollution issues are to
dealing with global warming (not very relevant). It's about energy,
not pollution. The
On 2/28/07, Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then you would care to share your results? But, my guess (yes, a guess,
not
a calculation) would be that someone staying local to their home and
either
seeing a FREE screening of the movie, or seeing it on television would
result in lower GHG
Falwell and any number of failed politicos.
---Randall
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Hi Fre,
I attended Dr. David
What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: The message is - It
isnt really that important. If it were I would do it.
That is Gores message. It isnt worth doing. Things worth doing get done.
Especially if it is just for ambiance.
I can understand keeping the house at 77 instead of
You're flailing about Randall, it's getting quite funny, if only it weren't so downright tedious.
Actually, I think the TCPR does believe their message--that doesn't make the
message correct...but that also doesn't make some of their facts incorrect,
either.
But, if that is important that
What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: The message is - It
isnt really that important. If it were I would do it.
That is Gores message. It isnt worth doing. Things worth doing get
done. Especially if it is just for ambiance.
I can understand keeping the house at 77 instead of opening
Hi Kirk and all,
When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok, so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world. It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man.
Tom Irwin
From:Kirk McLoren
The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it.
So how true is it - at least to him.
If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont.
So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him.
You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is
Kirk McLoren wrote:
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Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut back,
he uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else…
Al Gore flew from Montreal to Toronto last week. I would have thought a true advocate for climate change could have found someone with 1)maybe a Smart car to drive him, 2)powered with biodiesel or some other renewable fuel. David Suzuki is on a 50-city cross Canada tour and I understand he is
Hi Kirk,
When a do gooder becomes as famous as Al Gore there are always going to be
people who will point out weeknesses that he may have. On the other hand I
am looking at the good that Al Gore has done at educating the public about
Global Warming. The Live Earth concert that Al Gore is
Tom,
I like your answer better.
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Hi Kirk and all,
When the message cannot be attacked
important thing now. Time is important because
2007 could be the pivitol year to save this planet.
Terry Dyck
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actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can be called is a hypocrite. if Al Gore's squanders energy perhaps they ought to find someone esle to be the spokesperson for the Earth.
From:Kirk McLoren [EMAIL
of Methane gas caused from
feed lots, etc. that the total of all livestock on this planet is equivalent
to taking 33 million cars of the road.
Terry Dyck
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Kirk McLoren wrote:
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Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While
on material things
just like the rest of us.
Terry Dyck
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Fred Oliff wrote:
actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can
be
called is a hypocrite.
Then you might want to do a bit of reading.
The knee jerk reaction is to recommend Jeremy Lott's
In Defense of Hypocrisy but that's a cheap shot.
There's a paper out
politicos.
---Randall
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Hi Fre,
I attended Dr. David Suzuki's event in Kelowna 2 days ago and he
Everyone seems to have missed that, based on the numbers given, Al
Gore has reduced his power usage by 12% from 2005 to 2006 and has
plans for more reductions. Isn't that what it's all about?
The fact that his bill has gone up is probably a function of the
increased price of energy, not
If he used the power in his business ok but
natural gas lanterns in his yard
Those are decorative - if you want light you dont burn a torch.
So if he wont curb personal indulgance he doesnt believe what he espouses for
the rest of us..
Forget weak flesh - how about belief.
He doesnt
Weakness?
gas lamps in the yard are not an indulgance in driving a bit too fast or
fogetting to turn off the light in the kitchen.
If you dont see anything wrong with that then I suppose you would accept Bush
as a spokesman for civil liberty
and honesty in politics.
Kirk
Terry Dyck
input,
high output, local markets.
Best
Keith
Terry Dyck
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The message
guess.
Well done AEI! LOL!
Best
Keith
---Randall
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Hi Fre,
I attended Dr. David Suzuki's
other guy appointed by them.
Best
Keith
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The message is - It isnt really
:-)
Spin sure works well huh? See how easy it is to distract and redirect
attention from what matters to what doesn't. And how nobody thinks to
apply the same thinking to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research,
for instance, or to see how well the epithets they throw at Gore
might apply to
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