[biofuels-biz] Bush administration frets over fuel-price spike
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15382/story.htm Planet Ark : Bush administration frets over fuel-price spike USA: April 9, 2002 WASHINGTON - A sharp and rapid rise in gasoline prices in the past few weeks is a serious concern for the U.S. economy, especially with Iraq's new threat to halt oil exports to protest what it calls aggressive Israeli military action against Palestinians, the Bush administration said yesterday. As Americans plan their summer vacations, fuel prices have soared 25 cents per gallon, or 20 percent, since early March and could go even higher and threaten U.S. economic recovery if Iraq makes good on its threat, U.S. energy officials said. The jump in gasoline prices and Iraq's oil embargo is also expected to be used by Republican lawmakers in the U.S. Senate this week to push for new oil drilling in Alaska. The Bush administration and Republicans want to give oil companies access to drill in the pristine Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to reduce foreign oil imports. The plan is opposed by most Democrats and does not have enough support in the Senate at the moment to pass. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham announced several steps to help stabilize U.S. fuel prices, which are expected to rise to the third-highest level in history this summer. Higher gas prices are a great concern to this administration because they strain the budgets of America's working families, raise the cost of goods and services, and ultimately create a drag on the economy that can impact the livelihood of working Americans, Abraham said. He spoke at a news conference where the U.S. Energy Department forecast an average nationwide price of $1.46 per gallon for regular unleaded gasoline this summer. However, that forecast was prepared before Iraq's surprise announcement that it would suspend crude oil exports. Iraq, which exports nearly 2 million barrels per day of crude oil, said it would halt exports for 30 days to protest Israeli actions against Palestinians. Iraq is the sixth-largest oil supplier to the United States. Crude oil on the New York Mercantile Exchange surged nearly a dollar in early morning trading to slightly above $27 a barrel. The price of crude oil accounts for roughly 38 percent of the cost of one gallon of gasoline. $30 OIL POSSIBLE The Energy Information Administration said U.S. crude oil prices could spike by $4 to $7 to above $30 a barrel in the short term if Iraq halted shipments and no other producing nation made up the difference. If there's no make-up for an Iraqi stoppage for 30 days, then, for at least a short period of time, increases certainly above $30 are possible, said Dave Costello, an EIA economist. It's a little bit tough to say because there are a lot of variables out there. Another EIA official sought to downplay the impact of the Iraqi action. EIA acting administrator Mary Hutzler said there is excess capacity of about 7 million barrels per day around the world. There is still the possibility that non-OPEC countries could increase their production as well, Hutzler said. The real issue is if we get more turmoil in more countries and that's something we're going to have keep an eye on. CONSUMER HOTLINE The Bush administration assured consumers that it was watching fuel prices closely. We are taking aggressive action to prevent further steep price increases at the pump, Abraham said. The Energy Department reactivated a consumer hotline for motorists to complain of gasoline price gouging. Abraham said he would meet this week with U.S. oil refineries and gasoline stations to encourage them to keep supplies moving smoothly. We want to know what's going on out there, Abraham said. A flawless distribution system will help us to minimize price spikes this year. Abraham also seized on the jump in gasoline prices as another reason why the Democratic-led U.S. Senate should adopt legislation allowing oil companies to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Several days ago, the administration released a study showing potential environmental problems with Arctic drilling but it quickly revised that study to minimize the threat to caribou near the drilling site. A recent Reuters survey of all 100 senators showed the drilling proposal seemed doomed with 50 senators on record in opposition. Under Senate rules for dealing with controversial measures, 60 votes are needed to cut off debate and allow a vote. Story by Tom Doggett REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
[biofuels-biz] Chaos as buses ordered off road by court in Delhi
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15391/story.htm Planet Ark : Chaos as buses ordered off road by court in Delhi INDIA: April 9, 2002 NEW DELHI - Transport chaos hit the Indian capital yesterday following a Supreme Court ruling ordering half the city's public bus fleet off the road for failing to switch to cleaner fuel. Schools were shut and long queues snaked from bus stops in the city of 13 million after the court rejected a last-ditch plea by transit operators for more time to allow them to change their fume-belching diesel buses to compressed natural gas (CNG) fuel. The court has been spearheading a drive to end choking pollution in New Delhi, rated one of the world's dirtiest cities where doctors report a mounting toll of people with breathing ailments. In 1998 it ordered that all buses switch to CNG and set a three-year deadline. More than 6,000 buses, half the number that normally ply the streets, were taken off the road. Those still running were stuck in traffic jams. The bus came after an hour and then there was no place so we had to walk for an hour, said one exasperated commuter. Police were braced for violence following threats by some private operators to disrupt partial services. Various reactions can be expected ranging from road hold-ups, mob violence and rioting, deputy police commissioner S.B.S. Tyagi said. Last year, enraged commuters torched buses to protest against lack of public transport following a similar court order. The court had extended at least twice the deadline for phasing out diesel buses and said enough time was given to bus operators to stop using diesel, which it said was a dirtier fuel. The court backed up its ruling on Friday by saying transit operators would have to cough up 500 rupees ($10.26) a day for each diesel bus on the road. The fine would be doubled to 1,000 rupees a day after a month. Bus operators say they cannot afford the fine. In a toughly worded judgement, the court said the priority must be public health as opposed to the balance sheet of a private company, and quoted estimates that the health cost of air pollution in New Delhi was 10 billion rupees. But operators said the city administration had not provided enough CNG outlets to allow them to switch fuels. Local media reports said public transport operators would ask the government to bring in a decree allowing use of low-sulphur diesel as another option to CNG. Federal petroleum minister Ram Naik said the government was paying serious attention to the problem. This is a very serious issue - not just a matter for transporters but also for the people of Delhi. People have to send children to school, they can't do without the buses, he told Star Television. ($1=48.74 rupees). REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Iraq cuts off oil exports
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1916000/1916755.stm BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Monday, 8 April, 2002, 19:34 GMT 20:34 UK Iraq cuts off oil exports Iraq has the second highest oil reserves in Opec Iraq has halted oil exports for the next month in protest at Israel's military campaign in Palestinian areas. President Saddam Hussein said Baghdad would decide its next move in 30 days' time or when Israel withdrew unconditionally. Oil prices rose by about a dollar after the announcement, to around $27 per barrel of crude. The Palestinians spoke of sisterly Iraq The Palestinian Minister of Culture and Information, Yasser Abed Rabbo, described the unilateral cut-off as an expression of solidarity by sisterly Iraq, in an interview broadcast by the Arabic television channel Al Jazeera. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the impact of the move was not yet clear. It's always an issue to see in reality how serious such a threat is, he said. Click here for Saddam Hussein speech The stoppage itself was not expected to affect world supplies. But Ali Rodriguez, Secretary General of the oil producers' organisation Opec, warned that together with a current strike in Venezuela, it could trigger a global oil crisis. Immediately after Saddam Hussein announced the decision, the Iraqi oil ministry said that oil flows through its pipeline to Turkish ports had already been stopped. The Iraqi move comes only days after Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called on Islamic oil-producing countries to suspend exports to pro-Israel Western states. Iraq currently exports about two million barrels of crude oil a day under a United Nations programme permitted as an exception to Gulf War sanctions. 'Harming foes of Palestinians' Much of Saddam Hussein's speech - which was carried on Iraqi television and beamed via satellite across the Arab world - focused on the turmoil between Israel and the Palestinians. West Bank violence has triggered protests across the Arab world The Iraqi leader said Baghdad's decision to cut oil exports was aimed at Israel and the United States, and intended to harm only those who were harming the Arab nation and Palestinians, he said. The UK Foreign Office accused the Iraqi leader of exploiting the suffering of the Palestinians for his own political purposes. The BBC's Rageh Omaar in Baghdad says Saddam Hussein's decision seems to be aimed at gaining influence in the wider Arab world. With angry demonstrations taking place from Syria to Morocco against Israeli operations in the West Bank, our correspondent says the Iraqi president is keen to be seen as a leader willing to take decisive action on the issue. Eyes on Opec The Iraqi stoppage is only thought likely to have a significant effect if other Arab oil producers decide to join the embargo. But the BBC's Economic Correspondent Andrew Walker says there is little sign that any countries other than Iran and Libya would be willing to do so. Mr Rodriguez said he was engaged in intensive consultations with member states about their response to Iraq's statement. Oil prices have been moving steadily higher since February, due to the escalating violence in the Middle East. The region supplies about 30% of world demand for oil and prices react to fears that the political situation could hamper supply. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
What the hell happened to this group- for the last half a year I have been reading here more about political problems related to other fuels than biodiesel. Even biofuel like methanol or ethanol is not of the concern here since no one individually could produce alcohol for this purpose( or some agency will knock on the door). So lets keep the focus where it belongs- biofuels technology for everyone. I just do not want to read political news in this group. Where is that technical stuff? Anybody experimenting with pressure making the biodiesel, any other breakthrough things, like Alex's updates, has anyone tried continuous mixing reaction? What the hell happened to you, people? Are you gone, or is it Keith only reprinting the news that does not relate here? Especially Iraqi's oils crap. Like it is going to affect biodiesel regulation or something in the near term. I got mad. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
I couldn't agree more - who wants to read irrelevant material? However, I only find out if it's irr/relevant AFTER I've read it! I think it was Lord Thompson of the Daily Express newspaper empire (?) who said that half of his advertising budget was wated, but, unfortunately, he didn't know which half. Reading the biofuels postings is a bit like that. As a relative newcomer to the scene some of the news stories have been most thought provoking - especially as most of the US reports don't make news in the UK. As for the technical stuff, when I've made a breakthrough I'll be sure to let you all know (after a trip to the Patent Office, engaging an expensive law firm, making the first downpayment on the yatch...)! regards Clive Rawson - Original Message - From: Thomas Stoskus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore What the hell happened to this group- for the last half a year I have been reading here more about political problems related to other fuels than biodiesel. Even biofuel like methanol or ethanol is not of the concern here since no one individually could produce alcohol for this purpose( or some agency will knock on the door). So lets keep the focus where it belongs- biofuels technology for everyone. I just do not want to read political news in this group. Where is that technical stuff? Anybody experimenting with pressure making the biodiesel, any other breakthrough things, like Alex's updates, has anyone tried continuous mixing reaction? What the hell happened to you, people? Are you gone, or is it Keith only reprinting the news that does not relate here? Especially Iraqi's oils crap. Like it is going to affect biodiesel regulation or something in the near term. I got mad. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
Thomas Stoskus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the hell happened to this group- for the last half a year I have been reading here more about political problems related to other fuels than biodiesel. So why don't you do something about it then? Even biofuel like methanol or ethanol is not of the concern here since no one individually could produce alcohol for this purpose( or some agency will knock on the door). In the US, you need to get a small fuel producer permit from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. It is fairly easy to aquire, and denaturing is not required for ethanol consumed on premises. BATF Alcohol Programs -- FAQs, Information, Permits, Regulations: http://www.atf.treas.gov/alcohol/index.htm Anyway, you think only the US is represented on this group? So lets keep the focus where it belongs- biofuels technology for everyone. Huh? It says: For anyone making biofuels for distribution, whether commercial, cooperative, Non-profit or other, especially local-scale - start-ups, would-be start-ups, going concerns. Share information, problems, resources here. You think that boils down to technical questions? I just do not want to read political news in this group. Where is that technical stuff? Anybody experimenting with pressure making the biodiesel, any other breakthrough things, like Alex's updates, has anyone tried continuous mixing reaction? How about you? Do you have anything to contribute? Any information, problems, resources to share? What the hell happened to you, people? Are you gone, or is it Keith only reprinting the news that does not relate here? Especially Iraqi's oils crap. Crap... Here's a bit more crap: http://www.msnbc.com/news/732411.asp?cp1=1 Is U.S. ready for chaotic oil markets? Reserve provides less import protection than it did in '85 And the other one I posted, probably also crap: http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15382/story.htm Bush administration frets over fuel-price spike And to jog your ailing memory, what has given biofuels the biggest boost in the past has been oil embargos and high prices affecting the US (not that even your high prices are high enough), which should be of some slight interest to anyone in the biofuels business, no? That's what this group is for, eh? Biofuels businesses. Like it is going to affect biodiesel regulation or something in the near term. I got mad. Yes, you did, and a bit prematurely, IMNSHO. I'll tell you something. I put a lot of time and work into Aleks's update and making it available for you, why don't YOU try it out and let us have some feedback? You want me to do that for you too rather than post news you can't see the relevance of? Along with a lot of other stuff, like grants you can get (but not me) and so on? I started this group because people kept asking me to, but I said right from the start, and several times since, that I have no direct interest in it, I don't run a biofuels business here in Japan, in the US or anywhere else, and I'm never likely to, so how it would work was up to you, the members, not me. Still, I've spent rather a lot of time promoting and nurturing the interests of small biofuels businesses, especially in the US (where I've spent a grand total of three days). And (you're quite right) the members mostly just sit there - 275 of you, making amazingly little noise. So don't give me a hard time, eh? You want some action? Why not start some yourself instead of just complaining? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Moderator Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
Heh, Heh, nice one Keith, you tell him ! For what it's worth, I enjoy reading all relevant material, political or otherwise. After all it's all part of the big picture. Steve M Scotland. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
Keith et al: I will second that. You forgot to tell him he has a Delete key. I get 20-30 E-mails a day and I use mine. But, like Steve says it's all part of the big picture and if you don't get the picture you can not pick and choose what is relevant. Keep up the good work! Best wishes, Len USA - Original Message - From: Steve Madley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore Heh, Heh, nice one Keith, you tell him ! For what it's worth, I enjoy reading all relevant material, political or otherwise. After all it's all part of the big picture. Steve M Scotland. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
Heh, Heh, nice one Keith, you tell him ! For what it's worth, I enjoy reading all relevant material, political or otherwise. After all it's all part of the big picture. Steve M Scotland. Hello Steve - It's worth much, I'm glad you enjoy it. It IS a big picture! But I immediately regretted sending that post. I got this message from some guy working at a Midwest college's ag extension, demanding that I stop sending him pornography! Huh? We have NOTHING to do with pornography! And I'd never heard of the guy, or his college. I asked him what he meant, and got told he was telling everyone he knew to remove our site from their sites because we spread pornography. WHAT!!? Then he mailbombed me with ever more unhinged demands, and suddenly stopped. I got hold of his college administration people, who agreed it was a serious issue, they'd investigate, but I had to badger them to get anything more - which turns out to be that the poor guy's now on extended leave and under care because he's experiencing difficulty communicating. Well, yes, poor guy indeed, I'm very sorry to hear that, but meanwhile who exactly's been told we're a porn site?? I was just trying to digest all this when Thomas's letter arrived. Sorry, Thomas, I shouldn't have been so ratty, please accept my apologies. :-( It's real late. Tomorrow will be a Better Day. Maybe I'll think it's all funny by then. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
Yep. Two rules make a good group: Contribute, and delete. Do both generously, and without complaint. See? Easy. Regards, Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca on 4/9/02 10:43 AM, Steve Madley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, Heh, nice one Keith, you tell him ! For what it's worth, I enjoy reading all relevant material, political or otherwise. After all it's all part of the big picture. Steve M Scotland. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore
Sir, Whole heartedly agree, as of 5 minutes prior to this posting to you, I have unsubscribed, talk about pollution!! John - Original Message - From: Thomas Stoskus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] It is not about biofuels anymore What the hell happened to this group- for the last half a year I have been reading here more about political problems related to other fuels than biodiesel. What the hell happened to you, people? Are you gone, or is it Keith only reprinting the news that does not relate here? Especially Iraqi's oils crap. Like it is going to affect biodiesel regulation or something in the near term. TurboTax To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Plastic Types
- Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know if: PC (polycarbonate), PP (polypropylene), or PET (polyethylene therfthalate -plastic coke bottles-) are suitable for the methoxide mix? (snip) Have mixed BD in PET bottles but not shure how they cope with methoxide. Have mixed methoxide in domestic plastic buckets, white translucent plastic 20L bins and pyrex glass ware all without problems. Some basic information on plastics identification and recycling. http://www.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/docum More detailed Information at Mid Michigan branch of Society of plastic Engineers. Some great teaching resources here. http://www.midmichiganspe.org/education/identification.pdf here is one for kieth with no pdf. http://packaging.hp.com/evsec06.htm That could be /eusec06.htm Never did learn to read my own writing. Info on other packaging material at that last site too. Regards, Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO for water heating
Thanks for that Steve, but I'm afraid there is no possibility of changing the existing equipment. Can you elaborate on why you think the existing burners are not suitable? James I'd highly recommend a different burner style. see http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/babington Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO for water heating
Hola James i've found this thread on wastewattts groups, and perhaps it can help you, i copy and paste it here: saludos Manolo Rolan Valencia, Spain From: Louie Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Jan 18, 2002 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [wastewatts] WVO in a diesel burner preheat the oil, a must , a special waste oil nozzle. and youMUST HAVE ABOUT 6 LBS OF COMPRESED AIR WITH THE OILCOMING OUT THE NOZZLE LOUIS - Original Message - From: Bill Althouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [wastewatts] WVO in a diesel burner Preheat wvo to 160F, then it will atomize. -Original Message- From: jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wastewatts] WVO in a diesel burner A kindly lady gave me a diesel (heating oil) furnace for free. The burner it uses consists of oil pump that forces the oil through a small opening to atomize it. Then, a spark ignites the oil. Of course, oil would need to be well filtered to use this setup. But, when I tried using it with WVO, it would not ignite. Works great with fossil diesel, though. Any sugestions on getting this beast to burn WVO? Or, give up and use a Babb-style burner? Thanks, Jon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol and sodium hydroxide
try a search for albion chemicals or ellis and everard, www.elliseverard.co.uk is their add. i think From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: Biofuel-JTF biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol and sodium hydroxide Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 08:48:43 -0700 Could it be a problem of terminology? Try methyl hydrate (methanol), and caustic soda or lye instead of sodium hydroxide. Regards, Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca on 4/7/02 8:16 AM, Christopher Price at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked everywhere but UK laws are very restrictive and there is lots of red tape to get through. I will keep trying though! From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol and sodium hydroxide Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:11:46 +0900 Hi, I live in the United Kingdom and I am having trouble obtaining methanol and sodium hydroxide. Can anyone help me in anyway? I've tried the journeytoforever website with no success. I would apreciate an email from anybody in the UK concerning biodiesel production. Christopher Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Christopher If you find sources there, please let us know, for the benefit of other UK biodieselers here. Also I could then add them to the Biofuels Supplies page at Journey to Forever for general use. Thanks Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ _ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bush administration frets over fuel-price spike
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15382/story.htm Planet Ark : Bush administration frets over fuel-price spike USA: April 9, 2002 WASHINGTON - A sharp and rapid rise in gasoline prices in the past few weeks is a serious concern for the U.S. economy, especially with Iraq's new threat to halt oil exports to protest what it calls aggressive Israeli military action against Palestinians, the Bush administration said yesterday. As Americans plan their summer vacations, fuel prices have soared 25 cents per gallon, or 20 percent, since early March and could go even higher and threaten U.S. economic recovery if Iraq makes good on its threat, U.S. energy officials said. The jump in gasoline prices and Iraq's oil embargo is also expected to be used by Republican lawmakers in the U.S. Senate this week to push for new oil drilling in Alaska. The Bush administration and Republicans want to give oil companies access to drill in the pristine Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to reduce foreign oil imports. The plan is opposed by most Democrats and does not have enough support in the Senate at the moment to pass. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham announced several steps to help stabilize U.S. fuel prices, which are expected to rise to the third-highest level in history this summer. Higher gas prices are a great concern to this administration because they strain the budgets of America's working families, raise the cost of goods and services, and ultimately create a drag on the economy that can impact the livelihood of working Americans, Abraham said. He spoke at a news conference where the U.S. Energy Department forecast an average nationwide price of $1.46 per gallon for regular unleaded gasoline this summer. However, that forecast was prepared before Iraq's surprise announcement that it would suspend crude oil exports. Iraq, which exports nearly 2 million barrels per day of crude oil, said it would halt exports for 30 days to protest Israeli actions against Palestinians. Iraq is the sixth-largest oil supplier to the United States. Crude oil on the New York Mercantile Exchange surged nearly a dollar in early morning trading to slightly above $27 a barrel. The price of crude oil accounts for roughly 38 percent of the cost of one gallon of gasoline. $30 OIL POSSIBLE The Energy Information Administration said U.S. crude oil prices could spike by $4 to $7 to above $30 a barrel in the short term if Iraq halted shipments and no other producing nation made up the difference. If there's no make-up for an Iraqi stoppage for 30 days, then, for at least a short period of time, increases certainly above $30 are possible, said Dave Costello, an EIA economist. It's a little bit tough to say because there are a lot of variables out there. Another EIA official sought to downplay the impact of the Iraqi action. EIA acting administrator Mary Hutzler said there is excess capacity of about 7 million barrels per day around the world. There is still the possibility that non-OPEC countries could increase their production as well, Hutzler said. The real issue is if we get more turmoil in more countries and that's something we're going to have keep an eye on. CONSUMER HOTLINE The Bush administration assured consumers that it was watching fuel prices closely. We are taking aggressive action to prevent further steep price increases at the pump, Abraham said. The Energy Department reactivated a consumer hotline for motorists to complain of gasoline price gouging. Abraham said he would meet this week with U.S. oil refineries and gasoline stations to encourage them to keep supplies moving smoothly. We want to know what's going on out there, Abraham said. A flawless distribution system will help us to minimize price spikes this year. Abraham also seized on the jump in gasoline prices as another reason why the Democratic-led U.S. Senate should adopt legislation allowing oil companies to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Several days ago, the administration released a study showing potential environmental problems with Arctic drilling but it quickly revised that study to minimize the threat to caribou near the drilling site. A recent Reuters survey of all 100 senators showed the drilling proposal seemed doomed with 50 senators on record in opposition. Under Senate rules for dealing with controversial measures, 60 votes are needed to cut off debate and allow a vote. Story by Tom Doggett REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use
[biofuel] Chaos as buses ordered off road by court in Delhi
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15391/story.htm Planet Ark : Chaos as buses ordered off road by court in Delhi INDIA: April 9, 2002 NEW DELHI - Transport chaos hit the Indian capital yesterday following a Supreme Court ruling ordering half the city's public bus fleet off the road for failing to switch to cleaner fuel. Schools were shut and long queues snaked from bus stops in the city of 13 million after the court rejected a last-ditch plea by transit operators for more time to allow them to change their fume-belching diesel buses to compressed natural gas (CNG) fuel. The court has been spearheading a drive to end choking pollution in New Delhi, rated one of the world's dirtiest cities where doctors report a mounting toll of people with breathing ailments. In 1998 it ordered that all buses switch to CNG and set a three-year deadline. More than 6,000 buses, half the number that normally ply the streets, were taken off the road. Those still running were stuck in traffic jams. The bus came after an hour and then there was no place so we had to walk for an hour, said one exasperated commuter. Police were braced for violence following threats by some private operators to disrupt partial services. Various reactions can be expected ranging from road hold-ups, mob violence and rioting, deputy police commissioner S.B.S. Tyagi said. Last year, enraged commuters torched buses to protest against lack of public transport following a similar court order. The court had extended at least twice the deadline for phasing out diesel buses and said enough time was given to bus operators to stop using diesel, which it said was a dirtier fuel. The court backed up its ruling on Friday by saying transit operators would have to cough up 500 rupees ($10.26) a day for each diesel bus on the road. The fine would be doubled to 1,000 rupees a day after a month. Bus operators say they cannot afford the fine. In a toughly worded judgement, the court said the priority must be public health as opposed to the balance sheet of a private company, and quoted estimates that the health cost of air pollution in New Delhi was 10 billion rupees. But operators said the city administration had not provided enough CNG outlets to allow them to switch fuels. Local media reports said public transport operators would ask the government to bring in a decree allowing use of low-sulphur diesel as another option to CNG. Federal petroleum minister Ram Naik said the government was paying serious attention to the problem. This is a very serious issue - not just a matter for transporters but also for the people of Delhi. People have to send children to school, they can't do without the buses, he told Star Television. ($1=48.74 rupees). REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Iraq cuts off oil exports
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1916000/1916755.stm BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Monday, 8 April, 2002, 19:34 GMT 20:34 UK Iraq cuts off oil exports Iraq has the second highest oil reserves in Opec Iraq has halted oil exports for the next month in protest at Israel's military campaign in Palestinian areas. President Saddam Hussein said Baghdad would decide its next move in 30 days' time or when Israel withdrew unconditionally. Oil prices rose by about a dollar after the announcement, to around $27 per barrel of crude. The Palestinians spoke of sisterly Iraq The Palestinian Minister of Culture and Information, Yasser Abed Rabbo, described the unilateral cut-off as an expression of solidarity by sisterly Iraq, in an interview broadcast by the Arabic television channel Al Jazeera. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the impact of the move was not yet clear. It's always an issue to see in reality how serious such a threat is, he said. Click here for Saddam Hussein speech The stoppage itself was not expected to affect world supplies. But Ali Rodriguez, Secretary General of the oil producers' organisation Opec, warned that together with a current strike in Venezuela, it could trigger a global oil crisis. Immediately after Saddam Hussein announced the decision, the Iraqi oil ministry said that oil flows through its pipeline to Turkish ports had already been stopped. The Iraqi move comes only days after Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called on Islamic oil-producing countries to suspend exports to pro-Israel Western states. Iraq currently exports about two million barrels of crude oil a day under a United Nations programme permitted as an exception to Gulf War sanctions. 'Harming foes of Palestinians' Much of Saddam Hussein's speech - which was carried on Iraqi television and beamed via satellite across the Arab world - focused on the turmoil between Israel and the Palestinians. West Bank violence has triggered protests across the Arab world The Iraqi leader said Baghdad's decision to cut oil exports was aimed at Israel and the United States, and intended to harm only those who were harming the Arab nation and Palestinians, he said. The UK Foreign Office accused the Iraqi leader of exploiting the suffering of the Palestinians for his own political purposes. The BBC's Rageh Omaar in Baghdad says Saddam Hussein's decision seems to be aimed at gaining influence in the wider Arab world. With angry demonstrations taking place from Syria to Morocco against Israeli operations in the West Bank, our correspondent says the Iraqi president is keen to be seen as a leader willing to take decisive action on the issue. Eyes on Opec The Iraqi stoppage is only thought likely to have a significant effect if other Arab oil producers decide to join the embargo. But the BBC's Economic Correspondent Andrew Walker says there is little sign that any countries other than Iran and Libya would be willing to do so. Mr Rodriguez said he was engaged in intensive consultations with member states about their response to Iraq's statement. Oil prices have been moving steadily higher since February, due to the escalating violence in the Middle East. The region supplies about 30% of world demand for oil and prices react to fears that the political situation could hamper supply. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - 6
The Seven Sisters The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made Anthony Sampson Hodder and Stoughton, 1975, ISBN 0 340 19427 8 Chapter 10 - Part 1 Libyan Ultimatum It seems that it is only in the United States that an almost masochistic attack on the position of its own oil companies persists. -- John J. McCloy, 1974 IT was not in the established oil countries of the Persian Gulf that the sisters faced their first critical showdown, but in Libya, the upstart oil producer on the edge of the Arab world in North Africa. For Libya broke up the ranks on both sides. It had let in the independents to challenge the sisters; and it was aloof from the cautious attitudes of the rest of OPEC. It was the outsider at both ends and by ignoring the rules it changed them. Since the Libyan oil began to flow in the early 'sixties, it had a fatal fascination for the West, particularly Europe. By 1969 Libya was supplying a quarter of Western Europe's oil. It was of high quality, with little sulphur, which became more important as the West worried more about pollution: and it was very close to Europe, on the right side of the Suez Canal. That became more significant after the Canal was closed in the 1967 war, and still more so after May 1970 when the 'Tapline' from Saudi Arabia was again breached in Syria, and then carefully not repaired. The closeness of Libyan oil was now still more desirable, and there was no alternative so attractive: Nigeria, two thousand miles further south, was being rapidly developed as a 'safe' new source of oil, but by the middle of 1970 Nigeria was being rent by the Biafra War, and supplies had stopped. Libyan oil was not only the closest, but the cheapest, for the companies made no special allowance to Libya for the cheap transport. Exxon argued that if they paid more because the Suez Canal was closed, they would not be able to reduce the price when it was open again. But many oil experts reckoned that the Libyans were being screwed, and that it was only a matter of time before they realised it. The rush of Libyan oil, like all sudden oil bonanzas, brought with it great dangers to the big companies. In the first place it threatened, as we have seen, to disturb their delicate balancing act, and to cause bitter resentment with the older producers, particularly Iran and Saudi Arabia. The problem was well put by the International Petroleum Encyclopaedia, for 1970 (p. 36): Indent It's not hard to see why, as increasing amounts of African oil threaten to grab off even larger chunks of their prime market target (Europe), the Mideast nations become upset. Their very way of life is being threatened -- a way of life they are just becoming used to and one which they don't want to lose. The interests of the producing and the consuming countries are at once the same and exactly the opposite. The role the large international oil companies play as a buffer element between the two is essential to both. It's a role that, if eliminated would throw the two forces face to face and spell disaster for the entire industry. This then is the reason for the 'three-party' system which is of benefit to all. End indent The dependence on Libyan oil was also more directly dangerous to Europe, for the Libyans could threaten to cut it off to extract better terms; and some experts in the State Department in the late 'sixties were seriously concerned. There was even a proposal for consumer governments to collaborate in an international treaty to safeguard oil supplies. But the governments were at odds, and the companies were complacent, too busy making money out of Libya. Libya had also become a bitter battleground between the majors and the independents. From the beginning, as we have seen, the Libyans were determined to bring in the outsiders, to speed up exploration. 'We wanted to discover oil quickly', explained the former Petroleum Minister, Fuad Kabazi: 'this is why we preferred independents in the first stage, because they had very little interests in the Eastern Hemisphere outside Libya.' (Multinational Report, 1975, p. 98.) It was true that Exxon once again led the field, producing 750,000 barrels a day from Libya by 1970: but the independents were producing half the oil from Libya, and they had no interest in restricting production or in playing the balancing game. Exxon and the other sisters were alarmed by their reckless expansion, and exasperated because the independents, as they saw it, enjoyed a tax advantage: for the independents paid taxes on the basis of the market price of the oil they sold, while the majors had to pay on the higher posted price. They saw their chance to damage the independents by using OPEC against them -- an ingenious but dangerous game. After OPEC in 1963 had demanded that royalties be included in their expenses, the majors offered the same terms to Libya (who had just joined OPEC) provided all companies were taxed
[biofuel] My 2nd titration (to Keith)
Dear Keith, Remember my odd titration results? Well, now I measured the lye on a precision scale (measures up to hundredths of a gram) and made a solution of 1.06 g NaOH/lt (It was the closest I could get, given the size of the solid NaOH pips). Close enough. I titrated again, and (oops, forgot heating the WVO), titrated to around 1,3 ml. I figured the first results were low because Phenolphthalein in unheated WVO/isoprop takes some time to react with all the prsent FFA, so vigorous mixing is needed, as well as -time-. My results are still low for used oil (ranging from 1,22 ml to 1,5 ml), but now they seem closer to reality. I«ll be trying out a liter batch in a couple of days, and I«ll try 4g; 4,2g; 4,6g; 4,8g and 5g of NaOH to find the best results (these values correspond with titration results varying from 0,5 ml NaOH to 1,5 ml NaOH). Wish me luck. I«ve only one doubt, which is the container to use for Methoxide for my 1 lt batch. ÀHow hot can the Methoxide get (200ml MeOH + 4,8g NaOH)? ÀIs a 2 lt pyrex beaker OK (yes, it«s glass, but I«ll be working in a lab under good supervision)? ÀOnce in the WVO, is the mix safer to handle, or should I treat it as methoxide for the first minutes? Regards, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My 2nd titration (to Keith)
Hi Christian Nice to hear from you, I was wondering how you were getting on. Well, it seems, good for you. Dear Keith, Remember my odd titration results? Indeed yes. Well, now I measured the lye on a precision scale (measures up to hundredths of a gram) I'm envious! and made a solution of 1.06 g NaOH/lt (It was the closest I could get, given the size of the solid NaOH pips). Close enough. Certainly close enough. I titrated again, and (oops, forgot heating the WVO), titrated to around 1,3 ml. I figured the first results were low because Phenolphthalein in unheated WVO/isoprop takes some time to react with all the prsent FFA, so vigorous mixing is needed, as well as -time-. What temp did you heat it to? I usually just warm it all up a bit, to maybe 30 deg C, seems fine, but I haven't seen much advice on this. That's interesting about phenolphthalein, I did some comparative tests with phenolphthalein, pH test paper and two digital pH meters, and the phenolphthalein came off worst, maybe I should give it another try as you suggest. My results are still low for used oil (ranging from 1,22 ml to 1,5 ml), but now they seem closer to reality. That sounds okay, not unusual. I«ll be trying out a liter batch in a couple of days, and I«ll try 4g; 4,2g; 4,6g; 4,8g and 5g of NaOH to find the best results (these values correspond with titration results varying from 0,5 ml NaOH to 1,5 ml NaOH). Wish me luck. Good luck indeed! The basic 3.5g for virgin oil that you add the titration results to is also not too precise, it can be as low as 3.1. I'm planning some tests to see what works best within that range of 3.1-3.5 when you apply it to high-FFA oils, but I guess we'll always have to put up with a variable there. Maybe I'll find out something useful though. And if you do, please let us know. Again, the 8-9pH figure for titration is a bit broad, I use 8.5, and I'm told that's a good figure, but I haven't seen much to support it. I think with virgin oils or low-FFA oils these imprecisions are not much of a problem, but they get more critical with higher proportions of FFA. I«ve only one doubt, which is the container to use for Methoxide for my 1 lt batch. ÀHow hot can the Methoxide get (200ml MeOH + 4,8g NaOH)? Not very hot, that's not a lot of NaOH. Not hot enough to break Pyrex, I'm sure. Have a look at the alternative way of mixing methoxide in Aleks's updated Foolproof method, takes a bit longer, but you might prefer it: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html Foolproof biodiesel process ÀIs a 2 lt pyrex beaker OK (yes, it«s glass, but I«ll be working in a lab under good supervision)? ÀOnce in the WVO, is the mix safer to handle, or should I treat it as methoxide for the first minutes? I treat it with grave suspicion for the first few minutes, though it's certainly at least five times safer than the pure methoxide. But I'm no bible, Christian, that's for sure - I wish someone else here would give you some advice too. Best wishes Keith Regards, Christian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO for water heating
Hola Manolo Thanks for that. I'll keep you posted Saludos James i've found this thread on wastewattts groups, and perhaps it can help you, i copy and paste it here: saludos Manolo Rolan Valencia, Spain From: Louie Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Jan 18, 2002 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [wastewatts] WVO in a diesel burner preheat the oil, a must , a special waste oil nozzle. and youMUST HAVE ABOUT 6 LBS OF COMPRESED AIR WITH THE OILCOMING OUT THE NOZZLE LOUIS - Original Message - From: Bill Althouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [wastewatts] WVO in a diesel burner Preheat wvo to 160F, then it will atomize. -Original Message- From: jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wastewatts] WVO in a diesel burner A kindly lady gave me a diesel (heating oil) furnace for free. The burner it uses consists of oil pump that forces the oil through a small opening to atomize it. Then, a spark ignites the oil. Of course, oil would need to be well filtered to use this setup. But, when I tried using it with WVO, it would not ignite. Works great with fossil diesel, though. Any sugestions on getting this beast to burn WVO? Or, give up and use a Babb-style burner? Thanks, Jon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SUCCESS!
I«ve just completed my FIRST BD BATCH As small as it may seem, my test batch was as follows: 100 ml WVO 20 ml MeOH aprox 0,48 g NaOH (measured very unprecisely on a scale) Initial volume: 120 ml I mixed the MeOH+NaOH in a 250 ml Erlenmeyer, then poured it into a 150 ml beaker which contained the WVO (should have done it in inverse order)... mixed (not for long) while I heated it half of the time on the stove and the rest of the time on an electric cup warmer (which I know maintains a 250ml Erlenmeyer of water at 54 ¡C). RESULTS: My BD is settling in a 200 ml probe. Up to now, I can distinguish the pale-golden BD atop (aproximately 99 ml) and a brownish denser glycerine (about 11ml) at the bottom. The BD is translucent but still faintly murky (needs settling for at least 12 hs). Final Volume: 110 ml INCREDIBLE! Thanks Keith and all! Regards, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SUCCESS!
I«ve just completed my FIRST BD BATCH As small as it may seem, my test batch was as follows: 100 ml WVO 20 ml MeOH aprox 0,48 g NaOH (measured very unprecisely on a scale) Initial volume: 120 ml I mixed the MeOH+NaOH in a 250 ml Erlenmeyer, then poured it into a 150 ml beaker which contained the WVO (should have done it in inverse order)... mixed (not for long) while I heated it half of the time on the stove and the rest of the time on an electric cup warmer (which I know maintains a 250ml Erlenmeyer of water at 54 ¡C). RESULTS: My BD is settling in a 200 ml probe. Up to now, I can distinguish the pale-golden BD atop (aproximately 99 ml) and a brownish denser glycerine (about 11ml) at the bottom. The BD is translucent but still faintly murky (needs settling for at least 12 hs). Final Volume: 110 ml INCREDIBLE! Thanks Keith and all! Regards, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Plastic Types
Paul, PET will work for methoxide. It is a more brittle plastic than HDPE so I would not perpetually rely on the same bottle batch in and batch out. Also, mixing methoxide in a bottle or jug that can be sealed is not advisable, as the tendency is for the operator to seal the jug and shake until the catalyst dissolves. This is extremely dangerous. The dissolution of catalyst into alcohol generates heat and pressure in a sealed container. Vigorous shaking of the mixture further increases this pressure. Presuming the container does not split or the cap pop, the pressure will have to be relased manually. This can create a thin mist that can get on hands and surfaces. As well, after initially releasing pressure, there may still be some undisolved catalyst remaining in the jug. The temptation is to continue shaking the bottle after the pressure is released. Unfortunately, it is quite possible that the operator might get distracted and fail to retighten the cap before shaking, causing distribution of methoxide into the surrounding area. I've seen some of the most careful people make this mistake. Fortunately there was no human toll as a result. If the choice is made to prepare methoxide in such a manner, a swirling motion is far safer than wild agitation of a supposedly sealed jug. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Plastic Types - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know if: PC (polycarbonate), PP (polypropylene), or PET (polyethylene therfthalate -plastic coke bottles-) are suitable for the methoxide mix? (snip) Have mixed BD in PET bottles but not shure how they cope with methoxide. Have mixed methoxide in domestic plastic buckets, white translucent plastic 20L bins and pyrex glass ware all without problems. Some basic information on plastics identification and recycling. http://www.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/docum More detailed Information at Mid Michigan branch of Society of plastic Engineers. Some great teaching resources here. http://www.midmichiganspe.org/education/identification.pdf here is one for kieth with no pdf. http://packaging.hp.com/evsec06.htm That could be /eusec06.htm Never did learn to read my own writing. Info on other packaging material at that last site too. Regards, Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] electricity
Im no chemist, but has anyone looked into the use of electrical current to facilitate the process of seperating glycern from bio diesel? It seems somewhat dangerous using these acids and such. Would some combination of material used as an electrode accomplish the same end? Has anyone ever considered this before? Just a thought. Mike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] electricity
Mike, That would put an awful lot of chemists out of a job or at least get them applying for an electro-chemical engineer's license so they could keep making the mortgage payments. Honestly, there has to be some molecule available to latch on where the glycerin is cleaved from, so the alcohol would be mandatory if you were attempting to make an oxygenated fuel of lower viscosity than the original feedstock. I would tend to believe that electrical current in the presence of alcohol could prove to be a little unpleasant. I'm not sure how one could expect to direct the current in such a manner that the glycerin bond could specifically be broken rather than another bond. But then again, I never took chemistry to the masters level. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Mike Frieders To: Bio Diesel Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: [biofuel] electricity Im no chemist, but has anyone looked into the use of electrical current to facilitate the process of seperating glycern from bio diesel? It seems somewhat dangerous using these acids and such. Would some combination of material used as an electrode accomplish the same end? Has anyone ever considered this before? Just a thought. Mike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fw: Heya...
The following is an inquiry about biodiesel's use as a 2 cycle lubricant. Grayson is looking for some input from persons with a little experience in the matter. I know there are some posts in the archives already. Just haven't gotten there yet. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Heya... hey man...here's the pic of the carfunny story, while in dc a friend gave me a (very nice) vintage motobecan moped because he's moving to cali. i brought it home in the hempcar...earlier today i was feeling spunky so i pulled the carb, washed out the gum and stuck it on...fired right up and ran pretty good...once i ran it out of premix i decided to have some fun and mix up a batch of denatured corn alcohol, gas and hemp bio-d, just to see what would happen...well i fired it up and when the alcohol got to the motor it started running really smooth and throaty so i hopped on and vroom, big acceleration boost...while driving i noticed the distinct wonderful smell of hemp oil and when i turned around to look the 2 cycle smoke had turned white as usual when hemp oil is involved... so there you have it, another successful enviro vehicle on the road...gettin about 150 mpg at 30 mph! The carb is so ridiculously simple that i'm thinking there may be enough tolerance to run straight alcohol and bio-d, we'll see as the experiment progressesi can always open up the jet some...so question: i've always wondered how bio-d would do as the lubricating fraction in a 2 cycle...so far the motor seems to run great...any ideas or knowledge about the lubricity element here? ever heard about bio-d used in 2 cycles? i know it's supposed to be a wonderful top end lubricant... peace/love g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Heya...
We have a Canola oil + additive blend available that is two-cycle oil, as well as another product that is a diesel lubricity additive. Lubricity of Canola oil / rapeseed oil is incredible. 0.1% Canola biodiesel or Canola oil derivative added, was found to be enough to restore lubricity to deficient low sulfur diesel fuel. Also: An encouraging 1995 result involved the treatment of unadditized, low sulfur winter diesel with 10% Canola methyl ester. The test data revealed a 30% decrease in iron wear rate and a small ~1% increase in fuel economy from the 10% CME biodiesel treatment. This was followed by summer tests using 10% and 5% CME in No.2 commercial diesel fuel. An 18% wear reduction in iron was measured at the 10% CME treatment, while the 5% CME produced a 30% wear reduction and 4.5% gain in fuel economy with the commercial summer fuel. Finally unadditized winter No.1 diesel fuel was compared in 1996 to the same fuel with 5% additions of CME in the Õ82 and Õ85 Chevettes. The presence of the Canola ester decreased wear iron by 42% and 20%, respectively, in these vehicles. Winter fuel economy increased by 27% and 21%, respectively, for both units. This unusually large increase in fuel economy was attributed to both somewhat warmer weather and the 5% CME fuel additive. These engines performed well with the biodiesel additives present, even at Ð35¡C. http://www.scdc.sk.ca/php-bin/articles/n009.html Not sure about hemp. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca on 4/9/02 9:09 PM, Appal Energy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is an inquiry about biodiesel's use as a 2 cycle lubricant. Grayson is looking for some input from persons with a little experience in the matter. I know there are some posts in the archives already. Just haven't gotten there yet. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Heya... hey man...here's the pic of the carfunny story, while in dc a friend gave me a (very nice) vintage motobecan moped because he's moving to cali. i brought it home in the hempcar...earlier today i was feeling spunky so i pulled the carb, washed out the gum and stuck it on...fired right up and ran pretty good...once i ran it out of premix i decided to have some fun and mix up a batch of denatured corn alcohol, gas and hemp bio-d, just to see what would happen...well i fired it up and when the alcohol got to the motor it started running really smooth and throaty so i hopped on and vroom, big acceleration boost...while driving i noticed the distinct wonderful smell of hemp oil and when i turned around to look the 2 cycle smoke had turned white as usual when hemp oil is involved... so there you have it, another successful enviro vehicle on the road...gettin about 150 mpg at 30 mph! The carb is so ridiculously simple that i'm thinking there may be enough tolerance to run straight alcohol and bio-d, we'll see as the experiment progressesi can always open up the jet some...so question: i've always wondered how bio-d would do as the lubricating fraction in a 2 cycle...so far the motor seems to run great...any ideas or knowledge about the lubricity element here? ever heard about bio-d used in 2 cycles? i know it's supposed to be a wonderful top end lubricant... peace/love g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
