[biofuel] Fw: Chicago O'Hare /// Summary, Feb 21, 2004

2004-02-22 Thread Pat J Neuman
- Fw - - Fw - Fw -- To yahoo group members with concern on world energy supplies, greenhouse gases and climate change People in

Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-22 Thread esbuck
In a message dated 2/21/2004 2:01:57 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprise? No way. They knew for months that it was coming, it was just a matter of when. You know you are going to die; it's just a matter of when. So, if you are mortally wounded by a burglar at 3 am,

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Appal Energy
x-charset ISO-8859-1So you're justifying the continued existance of asbestos and lead in environments which children frequent? Or are you just saying that the risk is acceptable - that those children who have suffered irreversible damage from lead should be tallied as the cost of doing

Re: [biofuel] pagans

2004-02-22 Thread Curtis Sakima
x-charset ISO-8859-1But doesn't the Jew historic line lead up to modern CHRISTIANITY?? Sumerian War-God --- Jews -- Judeo-CHRISTIANS??? Curtis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why are Pagans and Athiests lumped in the same phrase? The god of the Jews,btw, evolved from

Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-22 Thread Curtis Sakima
x-charset ISO-8859-1The WoMD-justified attack on Pearl-Baghdad. A day which will live in Iraqi INFAMY. Sounds pretty eerie ... saying it like that. Reminds me of what my Dad use to always say. When the White Man attacks the Indian Village ... it's called a MILITARY VICTORY. When the Indians

Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-22 Thread Chris Beamis
Oops! My mistake. The mail software automatically puts that in and I forgot to clean it up. Sorry about that. :( Chris On Friday, February 20, 2004, at 09:23 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Chris Beamis wrote: On Friday, February 20, 2004, at 05:18 AM, Keith Addison wrote: There is

Re: [biofuel] Lead and asbestos

2004-02-22 Thread esbuck
Yes, we all know that lead and some asbestos is harmful to children if they are sufficiently exposed to it. The point, however, is: is it worth $ millons to reduce a very small risk to zero when those millions could be better applied? How about spending the money on vaccinations (to reduce

Re: [biofuel] America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread Lillie Bennett
x-charset ISO-8859-1One point could be that at least you have the choice to walk or drive. If you don't have the choice you don't have that freedom. Lillie - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004

Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-22 Thread Chris Beamis
On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 03:27 PM, Kris Book wrote: The worst part is that the masses can't see that this particlar war like hundreds of wars before it, was started to make somebody an extra dollar they really didn't need. The corporate bullies can always fake the reason for a

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Lillie Bennett
x-charset ISO-8859-1The point I was trying to make since I heard that admission, not my admission since I like to believe I have scruples, is that everyone with power wants more and anyone with money wants more; human nature. The top greens, the ones running the movement are just as corrupt as

Re: [biofuel] Amphora PDA-1

2004-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
Re: Ethanol Production As a beginner, I thought it might be a good place to start by purchasing the Amphora PDA-1 Professional Distillation Apparatus (http://www.amphora-society.com/Equipment/Equip_1/equip_1.html). Is anyone familiar with this product? Does anyone have a recommendation?

[biofuel] Re: Cost of the War

2004-02-22 Thread look4bryan
x-charset ISO-8859-1Really. You don't see something wrong with these numbers? Assuming you mean US dollars, since the USA is apparently the means by which all evil is measured, $2.17 per person will provide healthcare AND food? WHAT A DEAL? Where do I sign up? 13,000,000,000 dollars

[biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-22 Thread Tonya, and Mike
x-charset ISO-8859-1 After reading this i just wanted to say you are right. I am NOT racist, but Lincoln used slavery and the Emancipation Proclamation to justify the civil war when it was over half way finished. This is the same propaganda that Bush used with WMD's. Its similar to the

Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-22 Thread Greg and April
If I new the burglar was coming sometime in the next few nights, and he was packing a firearm, I know that there is a good chance I might get hurt. So no, I would not be surprised if it happened. Just a little disappointed I didn't get him first. Greg H. - Original Message -

Re: [biofuel] Re: where to find methanol

2004-02-22 Thread Appal Energy
x-charset ISO-8859-1Mike, Just make sure there's no lubricating oil blended in with what you get as with much racing methanol. You want 100% anhydrous. But you probably already guessed that. Rotsa Ruck Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tonya, and Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread jkolling
Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead

Re: [biofuel] Lead and asbestos

2004-02-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Jay, The rest of the world does not use asbestos products, they have for a long time been prohibited in EU countries. They are also very many restrictions to minimize exposures to lead. It is many developing countries that do not have protection, because of corruption, lack of frame work or

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientistswarn

2004-02-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Todd, This time it was a field of nuggets in what you are saying. Hakan At 06:26 22/02/2004, you wrote: Lillie, The point I was trying to make since I heard that admission, not my admission since I like to believe I have scruples, is that everyone with power wants more and anyone with

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cost of the War

2004-02-22 Thread Dave Williams
look4bryan wrote: Really. You don't see something wrong with these numbers? Assuming you mean US dollars, since the USA is apparently the means by which all evil is measured, $2.17 per person will provide healthcare AND food? WHAT A DEAL? Where do I sign up? Not to mention, most of

Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-22 Thread Fred Finch
Just a few pointers with regards to your last comments. Slavery was a real thing. It was well documented. Saddam's WMD (or should I say Bush's WMD) were undetermined. The Threat was overplayed. Administrations will do stoopid things to justify their existance. Too bad they document it as

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Lillie Bennett
x-charset ISO-8859-1We in the US are eating it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy.

Re: [biofuel] America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread Dave Williams
robert luis rabello wrote: Your statement would be funny if it weren't so frequently used as an excuse to justify sprawl and the ensuring need to drive long distances to work, shop and entertain ourselves. Nobody needs to justify sprawl. Life in the human anthills that large cities

[biofuel] Price of gas fuels frustration

2004-02-22 Thread murdoch
http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/news/stories/20040218/localnews/433196.html LANCASTER -- Area motorists may complain about the rising cost of gasoline, but they said Tuesday there is not much they can really do about it but to dig deeper into their pockets. Gas prices for all grades

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread jkolling
Lillie Bennett wrote: We in the US are eating it. If it gets out into the wild the natural plants will be a crossbreed of the GM crops. the results are unoverseeable and potentially devastating. you obviously don't know much about plants and breeding them. there are biodynamic ways which

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread jkolling
Hakan Falk wrote: Lillie, Higher yields has been discussed a lot, in Spain it has had very negative consequences. The cocktail of fertilizers and chemicals that goes with it, is outright crazy. that is true also, i forgot about that bit. and GM crops fail a lot. not much left of each

Re: [biofuel] Re: How Bush reversed regulatory effort on polluting gas additive

2004-02-22 Thread Appal Energy
x-charset ISO-8859-1Really interesting. You're neglecting the supremacy clause of the federal constitution, which makes constitutional any state law that offers greater protection than federal law. When state law does not, federal law takes precedence. [Forget for the moment that there are

Re: [biofuel] Vanagon seals

2004-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
esbuck wrote: Just one more bit of data: My brother drove coast to coast and back, 10,000 km, using 100% raw cottonseed oil in a Continental diesel. When he checked the injectors, etc. there was no detectable damage. The only problem he had was having to warm the fuel when going over the

[biofuel] Re: Cost of the War

2004-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
Really. You don't see something wrong with these numbers? Assuming you mean US dollars, since the USA is apparently the means by which all evil is measured, $2.17 per person will provide healthcare AND food? WHAT A DEAL? Where do I sign up? 13,000,000,000 dollars /6,000,000,000 people on the

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread jkolling
Then you probably read it wrong. But let me try to explain it. GMO = Lower yields. Eco = no pesticides but use other methods (biological (natural insects), biodynamic (energetic), etc) Normal = with pesticides, And it has higher yields than GMO crops because a high % fails, and not even

[biofuel] Worms?? Was: Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Curtis Sakima
x-charset ISO-8859-1Talk about opening a can of worms ... Gee Todd. All this talk about Mother Nature (she??) being Scarred ... Science with Dioxin. We're getting close to ANOTHER can of worms Todd.You know which one!! the one with Mother Earth God Gaia ... Remember way back

Re: [biofuel] Re: America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread robert luis rabello
look4bryan wrote: Not too many farmers growing seafood,wine or beer. Nonsense! I live in the Pacific Northwest, where salmon farming is BIG business. I grew up in California and went to college in the Napa Valley. While I was there, huge swaths of forest were being cleared to make

[biofuel] Don't any of you play poker? / was Moral Dilemna

2004-02-22 Thread Walt Patrick
International diplomacy is a game of high stakes poker played with billion dollar chips and stacks of human lives. Saddam really enjoyed the prestige that came with playing in the high stakes game, and did everything he could to make the world think that he still had WMD, in

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Lillie The point I was trying to make since I heard that admission, not my admission since I like to believe I have scruples, is that everyone with power wants more and anyone with money wants more; human nature. The top greens, the ones running the movement are just as corrupt as their

Re: [biofuel] America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread robert luis rabello
Dave Williams wrote: Nobody needs to justify sprawl. Life in the human anthills that large cities exemplify is not good, something self-evident to everyone except the people who have to live there, who usually try to make out like everyone should be as happy as they are. You

Re: [biofuel] Don't any of you play poker? / was Moral Dilemna

2004-02-22 Thread Fred Finch
Hey Walt, Your analogy was only partially correct. He held a fake gun and the judge said that the cop would shoot unless he proved it was a fake gun. He began to show that he had no bullets and the cop shot him anyway. Don't forget that there were inspectors allowed back into Iraq before

Re: [biofuel] Lead and asbestos

2004-02-22 Thread DokDream
Hakan wrote: Jay, The rest of the world does not use asbestos products, they have for a long time been prohibited in EU countries. They are also very many restrictions to minimize exposures to lead. It is many developing countries that do not have protection, because of corruption, lack of

[biofuel] Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us -- was: Climate Change Alert

2004-02-22 Thread MH
x-charset ISO-8859-1 Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate

Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Lillie, I think that you need to study the subject a bit more and think about the real consequences. A GM version of i.e. corn, is owned by a corporation, it is not in the public domain. If US government offers it for free, it is paid for and the strain will replace the natural one. The Monsano

Re: [biofuel] Re: America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Hi Robert Was it him, or the other one? The other one I think - or did both of them do it? Sorry, it gets a bit blurred sometimes, seems to be such a stereotyped set of views, see one and you can guess all the others. Yes, it IS difficult to keep all of them

Re: [biofuel] America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread robert luis rabello
Dave Williams wrote: You'll have to explain the classism thing further. The way you use it, it makes me think it's something bad. Classism is a philosophy that pits the alleged superiority of one group against another, by virtue of the higher social or economic standing enjoyed by

Re: [biofuel] Let's clarify this Was: Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Appal Energy
x-charset ISO-8859-1Didn't say. Didn't imply it. But I will state unequivocally that there must be greater cooperation between nation states in every venue. The overwhelming problems that humanity is now facing, which certainly won't lessen unless there is international cooperation, neither

Re: [biofuel] Lead and asbestos

2004-02-22 Thread Hakan Falk
x-charset ISO-8859-1 Jay, Thanks for your support, the article offers that, for what I say in the first paragraphs. I expanded on the issue, with some more things that is parts of the same problem. I am not in favor of you cannot kill them at home, but nobody bothers abroad. Asbestos use in

Re: [biofuel] America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread Appal Energy
x-charset ISO-8859-1Dave, Get off your sanctimonious high horse! And what gives you the right to demand such a thing? Other your own bloated sense of self-importance and righteousness, I mean. Probably the expression is aired because you're being such an ass. Perhaps were your

Re: [biofuel] Lead and asbestos

2004-02-22 Thread bob allen
x-charset windows-1252[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cases of lung cancer or mesotheleoma attributed to asbestos have dropped so low I can't even find a recent reference. Try Libby Montana http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/asbestos/asbestos_study.html A mortality review

Re: [biofuel] Don't any of you play poker? / was Moral Dilemna

2004-02-22 Thread Walt Patrick
At 12:24 PM 2/22/04 -0600, fred wrote: Hey Walt, Your analogy was only partially correct. He held a fake gun and the judge said that the cop would shoot unless he proved it was a fake gun. He began to show that he had no bullets and the cop shot him anyway. Not true. The cop knew

[biofuel] reply to Dave Williams, was Re: America has gone super-sized

2004-02-22 Thread Thor Skov
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:29:09 -0600 From: Dave Williams Subject: Re: America has gone super-sized Dave Williams wrote: “He obviously hasn't seen any of those new half-sized soft drink cans. Which, in my area, sell for a nickel more than the full-sized can. In DaveWorld,

Re: [biofuel] Worms?? Was: Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn

2004-02-22 Thread Appal Energy
x-charset ISO-8859-1Mother nature, Father time, Gaia, good stewardship...who really cares as long as paying heed to any or all give humanity half a break from the devastation and insanity we are bringing down on our own heads? How far back am I supposed to remember and what is it about way back