that to be a real biodiesel pro you should attend one of the (not
cheap) professional courses offered by Iowa State University, some of
whom have taken to saying that oxidation is a non-issue and never
mind that soy's a semi-drying oil.
This is what Van Gerpen was saying about it 10 years
/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine
Keith
Thanks,
Tom
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From: Jan Warnqvist
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Tom.
Are you referring to palm oil ? This is a highly saturated oil common
Thank you for passing on the kind words.
I am also thankful for the information sharing on this list from
you and many others.
Rachel
On Mar 31, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Rachel
Hello Keith biofuel list.
I too have requested a more detailed explanation for the
Hi All,
Any information like this on oil from palm trees? I«m not a fan of soybean
because of Monsanto.
Thanks,
Tom Irwin
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From: Jan Warnqvist
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Sent: 1/04/05 5:39
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Hello Keith
Thankyou!
This was the point I was trying to make: ... you will reduce
polymerization. But not eliminate it.
... the time to reach a specified degree of polymerization will be
extended by dilution. But it still won't be eliminated.
Thanks again.
Best wishes
Keith
Howdy Kieth and Jan
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Hello Keith and thank you for your input. I agree with you, blending an
oil
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Hi All,
Any information like this on oil from palm trees? I«m not a fan of soybean
because of Monsanto.
Thanks,
Tom Irwin
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From
02, 2005 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hydrogenated canola has an IV of around 65 while non hydrogenated has an
IV
of around 112.
Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or
sunflower (133)
are altered in any way
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 1/04/05 17:24
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Howdy Kieth and Jan
At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't
have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes
Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction
112.
Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or
sunflower (133)
are altered in any way by the hydrogenation process?
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From: bob allen
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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM
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allen
To:
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM
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Howdy Kieth and Jan
At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't
have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes
Polymerization is a molecule
has an IV
of around 112.
Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or
sunflower (133)
are altered in any way by the hydrogenation process?
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From: bob allen
To:
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM
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IVIodine Value
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Hi you fine people
I read a lot about IV and have not been able to figure out
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Hydrogenated canola has an IV of around 65 while non hydrogenated has an
IV
of around 112.
Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp
Thank You
TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:IV Iodine Value
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From: Keith Addison
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:50 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hi you fine people
I read a lot about IV and have not been
carbon double bonds, so the amount of Iodine absorbed is a
direct measure of the number of double bonds. Hydrogenation
removes the double bonds. Complete hydrogenation will
remove all double bonds hence the Iodine value should be
essentially zero.
TLC Orchids and Such wrote:
in temperature results in a doubling of a reaction rate. So
the short answer is yes, but with the caveat: You really
don't need to worry about a polymerization reaction
occurring in an injector or hot engine part that it would
interfere with the operation of the engine.
Tom Irwin wrote:
SVO, not biodiesel:
The use of drying oils or sem-drying - with linseed and tung being
the most drying (although few would use them in a diesel engine,
given how much more expensive they are that WVO frying oils) and
walnut and soy being less so - is reported to cause polymerization
of lube
: Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
The general rule of thumb is that a 10 degree Celsius rise
in temperature results in a doubling of a reaction rate. So
the short answer is yes, but with the caveat: You really
don't need
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Sent: 2/04/05 6:41
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Tom.
Are you referring to palm oil ? This is a highly saturated oil common in
Europe as frying oil. The oil is imported from Malaysia. Is it this one
?
Bst rgrds
Jan Warnqvist
AGERATEC AB
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Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Just a little suggestion on this, I have re-plumbed the return feed from
the pump back to the inlet of the filter so the return fuel is
circulated straight back into the pump
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From: Jan Warnqvist
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Sent: 2/04/05 6:41
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Tom.
Are you referring to palm oil ? This is a highly saturated oil common in
Europe as frying oil. The oil is imported from Malaysia
Thank you for your reply
IV is the iodine value. Iodine reacts with the carbon
carbon double bonds, so the amount of Iodine absorbed is a
direct measure of the number of double bonds. Hydrogenation
removes the double bonds. Complete hydrogenation will
remove all double bonds hence the
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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:28 PM
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Hello DB and all
Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil
!
Best regards
Jan
Jan Warnqvist
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello DB
Howdy Kieth and Jan
At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't
have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes
Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction. A compound with double
carbon carbon bond is particularly susceptible free radical oxidation.
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Howdy Kieth and Jan
At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't
have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes
Polymerization
:45 PM
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Thanks for the follow up, Keith.
I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some
relevant facts here:
www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers
_e.pdf
I too have requested a more detailed explanation for the information we
learned at last year's Elsbett workshop in North Carolina.
I sent off this question :
What is the main reason Elsbett suggests not using soybean oil as a
fuel-
Is it due to its high iodine number? Or is it just due
: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM
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Where can we get the veg-based motor oil?
Can better oil filtering help with this problem?
Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars.
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Warnqvist
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Anyone making bio-diesel should
Warnqvist
AGERATEC AB
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Anyone making bio-diesel should
it doesn't work like that, but I'd like
to know.
Regards
Keith
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Where can we get the veg
Hello Keith biofuel list.
I too have requested a more detailed explanation for the information
we learned at last year's Elsbett workshop in North Carolina.
I sent off this question :
What is the main reason Elsbett suggests not using soybean oil as a fuel-
Is it due to its high iodine
What about the veg-based motor oil? Does it still polamerize when you use
the veg-based motor oil?
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making
I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was
quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from
him:
Hi Keith,
this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines.
Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards
Alexander Noack
ELSBETT
I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some
relevant facts here:
www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers_e.pdf
#www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Stephan, Jan and all
I asked Elsbett's Alexander
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