Sorry about that.. i guess it is the medium. I misinterpreted what you
were saying.
Of course.. this Is kind of silly since the 'car doesnt exist' ha.
but if you can just compress the ambient air.. there certainly could be
benefits such as not
having to deal with pure hydrogen and oxygen.
a
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I am sure the transmission loss factor vs gas formulation cost has been
beaten to death in other discussions of EVs.
But just to make is more
alternative energy. They decided
to
use that momentum to support more military deployment in the Middle East!
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I am afraid that i don't see what all this has to do with what i said.
I was talking about the potential benefits of a car that could run on the
energy
stored overnight
I am sure the transmission loss factor vs gas formulation cost has been
beaten to death in other discussions of EVs.
But just to make is more simple.
assume your Solar panel is sitting on your roof.
there wont be too much of a transmission losses.
so all day long, you can compress air in a tank
Of course.. since they will need to tax this like they will tax you for
making your own bio-diesel..
they will effectively be taxing air...
ha
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$1.67 a GALLON??? You
Consider for a moment the possibility of a conventional IC engine powered
vehicle that could convert much of the energy wasted in braking (engine and
conventional brakes) into compressed air storage that would be in turn used
to supercharge the IC engine when again under load thereby
What would make the AIR CAR more feasible is to use liquid nitrogen (LN)
and have a LN generator at home. Any one know how to make LN cheaply?
David Wood
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Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It
Ok. thanks.
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Hard to say. Here is a more-detailed link:
http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html
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Hello all participants of air car debate,
I think that the technique opens up a range of interesting solutions
and will try to mention a few,
1. The major value is not as an energy efficient way of running a car.
As such, I agree with several of you, that pointed out its lack of
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you are forgetting how much petroleum will have to be burned to compress
the
air. next
Thanks for some interesting ideas. I have been debating with someone
in the global energy options about vehicles powered by Liquid Nitrogen
and it has also raised some of these issues. While that type of power
concept does not appear to be nearly as well-developed, I think that
it could be
2. Several times on this list, people have pointed out the flaws in
looking at single stage or a few stages efficiency. Only a few
weeks ago, Keith wrote in an elegant way about this.
Do you happen to recall what thread this was in?
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Hello all participants of air car debate,
I think that the technique opens up a range of interesting solutions
and will try to mention a few,
1. The major value is not as an energy
Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long
day... How do they control the air going into the engine and how is the
air exhausted? Does it operate like a four cycle engine or 2 cycle?
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:43:40 -0500, you wrote:
Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long
day... How do they control the air going into the engine and how is the
air exhausted? Does it operate like a four cycle engine or 2 cycle?
Hard to say. Here is a
they don't :-)
technically, a compressed tank of air runs a air motor (steam engine)
connected to the wheels. unfortunately, you can't carry enough air for a
reasonable range, and you waste much more energy compressing the air, than
you get back from it.
for further info, see
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car.
Can anyone tell me how air powered cars work?
http://www.theaircar.com/UKPressrelease.html#Eng
How does it work?
90m3 of compressed air is stored in fibre tanks. The expansion of this
air pushes the pistons
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Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long
day... How do they control the air going into the engine and how is the
air exhausted? Does it operate like
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:43:40 -0500, you wrote:
Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long
day... How do they control the air going
I am going to continue to watch their efforts with an open mind. I am
interested to find out what energy efficiency they are able to realize
in converting the air into motion. I am also interested to learn the
energy efficiency of compression. From their web page it would appear
that there is
Hence the 5# bag of #13 rubberbands in the glove box... :-)
Todd Swearingen
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they don't :-)
technically, a compressed tank
PREThe air car makes sense, I don't know much but I know that air under
pressure
could ignite it's energy. The only problem is that it takes a large quantity
of air for such a small amount of energy.I' heard about ten years ago that an
engine can run on air alone so this is not something new.
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PREThe air car makes sense, I don't know much but I know that air under
pressure
could ignite it's energy. The only problem is that it takes a large
quantity
of air
, September 13, 2002 7:38 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car.
PREThe air car makes sense, I don't know much but I know that air under
pressure
could ignite it's energy. The only problem is that it takes a large quantity
of air for such a small amount of energy.I' heard about
you are forgetting how much petroleum will have to be burned to compress the
air. next ..
Fossil Fuels such as coal and natural gas in power plants, but
petroleum would seem less likely. Very few electricity producing
power plants use petroleum. Hawaii and maybe a few other places.
Can anyone tell me how air powered cars work?
http://www.theaircar.com/UKPressrelease.html#Eng
How does it work?
90m3 of compressed air is stored in fibre tanks. The expansion of this air
pushes the pistons and creates movement. The atmospheric temperature is used
to re-heat the engine
Hi Dick, Pedro and All,
Pedro, thanks for the URL.
The tanks are huge and wouldn't be practical to
change though with a cooling system, more weight, they
could be filled fairly fast, 10 minutes from very
large storage tanks at even higher pressures.
To quote their
Hi Dick and All,
--- Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
the air car is presently manufactured in france. it
is a thoroughly road tested vehicle. there is one us
franchise already, so local non-believers will soon
be able to stand corrected.
Do you have an URL for it? How
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