Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread TarynToo
Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a

Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela to Provide Discounted Heating Oil and Free Eye Operat...

2005-09-02 Thread Flamemom
In a message dated 9/1/2005 10:04:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good call Kirk;Thats why I am setting up a non profit organization for making biofuel. http://www.nonprofitfuel.caPower to the people man. Lucky they left a loophole for us to jump through

Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor

2005-09-02 Thread Juan Gutierrez
Keith, Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine. Juan G. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900 Hello Juan I would appreciate

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
That's where you are wrong Todd. For many things I am still at the bottom of the heap, and freely admit it. For other things I have learned from other peoples mistakes, and admit to that too. Other things I learned from my own mistakes, nothing wrong with that either. Simply put, I refuse to

Re: [Biofuel] Flywheel 'batteries'

2005-09-02 Thread Tony DeCarmine
Well - it IS nice to kick over a hornet's nest, from time to time... I like this table (posted earlier): Table 12.1 Energy-storage data. Maximum energy-storage capability of various materials W-hr/lbm kJ/kgMaterial 14,900 118,250 Hydrogen 5,85046,430

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-09-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Manzo, Emil wrote: Hi Joe, for no (very few) moving parts you need a ram-jet. Or as some used to call a “scram jet”. A scramjet is for once you reach super sonic speeds and is designed slightly differently then a ramjet. Same mechanics of operation though. It is essentially a pipe with a

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
I think you are right, but, that doesn't help him right now. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 15:12 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread John I
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:37:35 -0500 From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can either shrug it off

Re: [Biofuel] [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...butfirst, your opinions (please).

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
I think it was in mid 2004 that the US gov, leaned on the NZ gov, claiming that the information that he was giving out was causing a terrorist threat. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Peter Morgan To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01,

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
No you shouldn't be dumped from the list. Let's me see if I can put it in terms of your reactor. If a guy down the street designed a reactor, and it caught fire. 2 months later he builds it again, and it catches fire again. Who is at fault? A different person hearing about biodiesel decides

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Flamemom
In a message dated 9/1/2005 5:16:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment?The irony here ishow youexpress less sympathy as the suffering from those

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread Terry Dyck
New Orleans was not only lost because Bush has his troops in Iraq but because the cause of the hurricane is that the Gulf of Mexico is very hot this year because of Global Warming and Bush has not signed the Kyoto accord or helped in anyway to slow down Global Warming. Terry Dyck From:

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
No. I'm saying that when specialist from the field of meteorology say it's going to be a bad storm and they should evacuate coastal areas,people should believe them. I'm saying that when specialist from the field of geology say thata any break in the levies would put 20 feet ( or more )

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread TarynToo
Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: OpAmp Active Filter Synthesis

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Montour
Kirk McLoren wrote: Very lossy -- and not recommended. Don Lancaster was interested in efficient inverters and the least number of switches. I think his website is tiaja.com http://www.tinaja.com/magsn01.asp ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread TarynToo
In captions on news photos of Orleans: White people who were carrying boxes were 'scavenging'. Black people who were carrying boxes were 'looting'. Both the white scavengers and the black looters were collecting stuff that was certain to be a complete write-off for whomever owned

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread Hakan Falk
Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
France must be punished Condie RICE :-) frantz On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: OK .. well .. history New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something called the Louisiana Purchase) owned by the French and was an important port of trade.

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I am sorry if I took your comment the wrong way. I am just trying to share alternatives. You are correct, there is no one size fits all in the health department, since our genealogy has lots to do with what will work for us At 06:47 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Kim , my apologies if my

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: OpAmp Active Filter Synthesis

2005-09-02 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hi Mike So would I. Did you? The filter has less to do with sine wave synthesis and more to do with ensuring a clean signal. Of course, this is basic electronics. Which is probably why Kirk said it is very lossy. To turn away a signal is in itself loss unless you have some way to feed it back

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in

Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela to Provide Discounted Heating Oil and Free Eye Operat...

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
In a message dated 9/1/2005 10:04:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good call Kirk; Thats why I am setting up a non profit organization for making biofuel. http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca Power to the people man. Lucky they left a loophole for us

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi all Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Brian Rodgers
This is better. I am isolated here for the long weekend at the ranch with no high speed Internet (poor me, I know) no media either, but that is a choice. Anyway, the Katrina thread was a bit much for me as I have no idea what is happening down there on the Gulf Coast.It does sound awful, but I

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
"Preparations can be made if you make the effort." This thread is beginning to take on a "they" flavor. They were unprepared, lazy, foolish, etc. I do everything I can to resist the urge to judge people. However, I exercise every freedom to judge other people's opinions and philosophies with

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread John Hayes
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. I prefer Blaupunkt over Pioneer, but my friend prefers Aiwa. Anything is better than Sony. Oh wait... nevermind. ;) jh ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
"We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves." Being apologetic doesn't change the fact that these kinds of

Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Hi Fritz; Yes not a lot of folks know about the mercury that leaches out when a valley is flooded but it is also happening along the Mackenzie and Athabaska and poisoning the Arctic Ocean.  I remember paddling in the Gouin reservoir many moons ago and staring down through the quiet depths at

Re: [Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-09-02 Thread Manzo, Emil
Interesting, I never tried mixing heated ingredients to make solid rocket fuel for model engines. We used a specially shaped ram with wet fuel, kind of like dough. You put in clay first to ram (press) the nozzle at the bottom of the tube, then the fuel. When it hardened, there would be a

[Biofuel] Katrina, who's to blame

2005-09-02 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Keith, I had to read you reply several times, for it to sink in. I am having trouble believing that you could equate the comments being made about New Orleans with people in Bangledesh. As you point out later in your message, New Orleans is in one of the richest countries in the world,

[Biofuel] A Girl Is Given an Adult Medicine and She Pays a Heavy Price

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_serzone001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 A Girl Is Given an Adult Medicine and She Pays a Heavy Price Serzone: Company hasn't published study of effect on children. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Alissa Robinson, 18, looks out the

Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
Probably the best source of good and reliable information on chemical pollution of all kinds is Rachel's. http://www.rachel.org/ Rachel's Environment Health News is excellent: http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?St=1 Environmental Research Foundation - Rachel's Weekly Try PANUPS/PANNA

[Biofuel] DURACT: Painkiller Posed Risk of Damage to Liver

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_duract001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 | DURACT: Painkiller Posed Risk of Damage to Liver Drugmaker's lobbying won fine print instead of prominent warning. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer The FDA medical officers who

[Biofuel] LOTRONEX: Officer Foresaw Deadly Effects

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_lotronex001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 LOTRONEX: Officer Foresaw Deadly Effects Irritable bowel remedy pulled after reports of serious injuries. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Agency officials agreed in July 1999 to

[Biofuel] REZULIN: Fast-Track Approval and a Slow Withdrawal

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_rezulin001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 REZULIN: Fast-Track Approval and a Slow Withdrawal Diabetes drug stayed on the market a year after being listed among the most risky. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Soon after

[Biofuel] Risk Was Known as FDA OKd Fatal Drug

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/rezulin/ Los Angeles Times Special Reports: Rezulin Sunday, March 11, 2001 Risk Was Known as FDA OKd Fatal Drug Study: New documents show Warner-Lambert trivialized liver toxicity of diabetes pill Rezulin while seeking federal approval. Inside help

[Biofuel] A Long-Feared Drug Gets the Green Light

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_thal001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 A Long-Feared Drug Gets the Green Light Thalidomide: Approved to treat just leprosy, its alleged promotion as treatment for cancer draws sharp criticism. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer

[Biofuel] How a New Policy Led to Seven Deadly Drugs

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/Miscellaneous/122002Howanew.html How a New Policy Led to Seven Deadly Drugs Los Angeles Times Wednesday, December 20, 2000 How a New Policy Led to Seven Deadly Drugs Medicine: Once a wary watchdog, the Food and Drug Administration set out to become a

[Biofuel] REDUX: Unheeded Warnings on Lethal Diet Pill

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_redux001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 | REDUX: Unheeded Warnings on Lethal Diet Pill Heart damage causes billions of dollars in potential legal liability. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Dr. Leo Lutwak was the lead FDA medical

[Biofuel] How Deaths Were Calculated

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_method001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 How Deaths Were Calculated Reports of adverse drug reactions to the Food and Drug Administration are considered by public health officials to be the most reliable early warnings of a product's

[Biofuel] POSICOR: 143 Sudden Deaths Did Not Stop Approval

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_posicor001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 | POSICOR: 143 Sudden Deaths Did Not Stop Approval With study results kept secret, nation got another blood-pressure drug. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Senior FDA officials with the

[Biofuel] FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates2/lat_lotronex001102.htm Thursday, November 2, 2000 FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety Health: Times study finds officials sided with drug maker on regulatory concerns. Agency reevaluation is underway. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer

[Biofuel] RELENZA: Official Asks If One Day Less of Flu Is Worth It

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_relenza001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 RELENZA: Official Asks If One Day Less of Flu Is Worth It Still on the market, the drug has been linked to 22 deaths so far. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Glaxo executives were

[Biofuel] Stuff your chickens into a fuel tank

2005-09-02 Thread Myk Hill
"WRAL.com - News -Local Man Says Chickens Could Be Used To Fuel Vehicles"the link:http://www.wral.com/news/4913795/detail.html Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread John I
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 03:02:27 -0400 From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed In captions on news photos

[Biofuel] RAXAR: Warning on Label Omits Deaths

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_raxar001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 | RAXAR: Warning on Label Omits Deaths Heart problems were mentioned in fine print, but not key dosage data. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer When the antibiotic Raxar was approved on

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
Why not Sony? Greg H. - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:56 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? I prefer Blaupunkt over Pioneer, but my friend prefers Aiwa.

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
Brian, How is your electrical supply?The reason I ask, is that I have an idea, but, it requires electricity to use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:14 Subject: Re: [Biofuel]

[Biofuel] PROPULSID: A Heartburn Drug, Now Linked to Children's Deaths

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_propulsid001220.htm PROPULSID: A Heartburn Drug, Now Linked to Children's Deaths Wednesday, December 20, 2000 | Print this story PROPULSID: A Heartburn Drug, Now Linked to Children's Deaths Once evidence of harm emerged, FDA took years to

Re: [Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-09-02 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork
Hi, Yes, you basically melted sugar and add a couple of ingredients and poured the mixture into tubes and compacted with the cone shape at the bottom. They used to work even better when you had a string connected through a hole in the top of the cone. This string was tied at the top, centered on

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away with whatever they feel like? No one held accountable, is

Re: [Biofuel] Quality Test of biodiesel

2005-09-02 Thread Thomas Kelly
Keith, Thanks for the reply. I suspect that you were right on target when you questioned how well the mix was agitated . type of pump, length of time, volume of mix. I used a 1 clearwater pump; a used one that had been donated to the cause. It seems to have lost its motivation

[Biofuel] Oil crisis, Iraq, Bangladesh, New Orleans, Martial Law, Placing the blame.

2005-09-02 Thread Myk Hill
What we have come to is an orginization out of control with our tax dollars, might as well call it the GOP party who all said mainly the same thing to get elected: Democrats = Democumists Republicans = Repubocrats It is easy to shift blame somewhere else, but the truth is who put that man back

[Biofuel] Drug Lotronex Pulled Over Safety Fears

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates2/lat_fda001129.htm Wednesday, November 29, 2000 Drug Lotronex Pulled Over Safety Fears By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON--Another drug launched with fast-track government approval was withdrawn on Tuesday, marking the 10th time in

Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela to Provide Discounted Heating Oil and Free Eye Operat...

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
hhh Why is this always the first reaction I get from people. Or else it is; can I sell them biodiesel. "you could make a fortune selling that stuff" Let me say this as clearly as I can. I AM NOT IN BUSINESS. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING. I AM NOT TRYING TO PROFIT FROM MY

Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation

2005-09-02 Thread AntiFossil
As long as you freely admit that you're crazy, you bet you can count on my vote! On 8/31/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, at least I know I'm crazy!Unlike, uh, our current head of state. Can I count on your vote?AntiFossil wrote: Hmm..?Judging by how long it's taken me to get

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: OpAmp Active Filter Synthesis

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike"So would I."Did you?"The filter has less to do with sine wave synthesis and more to dowith ensuring a clean signal."Of course, this is basic electronics. Then why did your original message question my methodfor generating the signal when I didn't

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Appal Energy
Go back and read your own words Kim. Their all-inclusiveness painted everyone with the same broad brush. No different than Greg, you imply that everyone who remained is of the same mindset/mentality, and then you both progress and attempt to convict all who stayed as having the same criminal

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Hey Brian you should look into ozone as a purifier for the water. It is not hard to generate ozone. You do have to be careful not to breathe it but It is wonderful for sanitizing water and avoids the issues of chlorine. Should be doable for a DIY project. Joe Brian Rodgers wrote: This is

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away with whatever they feel like? No

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
You say that it's not that simple yet, you generalize by pointing to a mixed group of people and take a position against"them", saying that "they" don't help themselves andshoot at rescue workers. Oversimplified - Hell Yes! Who are "they" and how do you know the circumstances of each person and

Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela to Provide Discounted Heating Oil and Free Eye Operat...

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Yeah, Whatever. How much for a gallon? Joe Street wrote: hhh Why is this always the first reaction I get from people. Or else it is; can I sell them biodiesel. you could make a fortune selling that stuff Let me say this as clearly as I can. I AM NOT IN

Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Uh, I make my own BD, I heat with wood and drive a tiny Diesel car. Isn't that enough in the US? ;-) Ok, that's two! Onward and upward! AntiFossil wrote: As long as you freely admit that you're crazy, you bet you can count on my vote! On 8/31/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
OK, when you're done celebrating, you still have to figure out who "they" are. So far, you've done the equivalent of pointing at a crowd of people and calling "them" thieves because you spotted one walking out of a store with a TV. Oh how easy it must be to live in your world! MikeJoe Street

Re: [Biofuel] A Girl Is Given an Adult Medicine and She Pays a Heavy Price

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
As someone who has a close relative who is a doctor, and works in a busy doctor's office doing their IT work, ALWAYS check the dosage and ALWAYS ask questions. If they don't want to answer, get another doctor. ith Addison wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Joe, Thank you. Yes, fence riding is a Canadian hobby, isn't it? It is easy to understand why, when you read stuff like Todd is sending. I have had friends look at me startled and say: You are judging me. and I reply, If I don't judge you and find you worthy, how can I call your

Re: [Biofuel] Oil crisis, Iraq, Bangladesh, New Orleans, Martial Law, Placing the blame.

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Nope. Democrats = Republicans from the 50's. Republicans = well, I'm not quite sure. They are really two Republican parties they days: The old fashioned cloth coat Republiicans, and this new sort of NeoCon. Myk Hill wrote: What we have come to is an orginization out of control with our

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Yeah, let's get Mel Gibson to spank 'em Frantz DESPREZ wrote: France must be punished Condie RICE :-) frantz On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: OK .. well .. history New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something called the Louisiana

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread Mike Weaver
Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
It's the same world you live in Mike but some people just have the blinders off; Ok in a disaster of that scale how high on a list of needs is a TV set? What would YOU call the person walking out a storefront with one? There is a difference between compassion and blindness. If you had a long

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Wow this is big news! I thought Osama was still a free agent. Mike Weaver wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread robert luis rabello
Joe Street wrote: Hey Brian you should look into ozone as a purifier for the water. It is not hard to generate ozone. You do have to be careful not to breathe it but It is wonderful for sanitizing water and avoids the issues of chlorine. Should be doable for a DIY project. Joe

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread bob allen
blame Canada (terrance and phillip) Frantz DESPREZ wrote: France must be punished Condie RICE :-) frantz On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: OK .. well .. history New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something called the

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
I have a lot of friends in Canada who don't think like your posts suggest and I'm grateful. I often see Canadian culture as nurturing the voice of reason (what you call fence riding). The UShas a long history of judging people. Pearl Harbor (for example) gets bombed by Japan and

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread robert luis rabello
Michael Redler wrote: I have a lot of friends in Canada who don't think like your posts suggest and I'm grateful. I often see Canadian culture as nurturing the voice of reason (what you call fence riding). Many Canadians DO think of themselves as a voice of reason. Kim has pointed

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Hi Kim; I always enjoy reading your posts. I wish you didn't live so far away. I think you are in West Texas or New Mexico? Sounds like your place would be a marvel to visit and if I ever get down that way again I would defininitely like to meet you and Garth. I know exactly what you mean

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Michael Redler
OK Joe, here we go. "I asume you are writing from your laptop enroute to the damage zone to 'walk the walk' and not just talk the talk." You've given me an exellent example to prove my point. This reaction from you implies that either: a.) Ifalsely statedthat I'm involved in the rescue effort

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread John Mullan
Hopefully we can keep this discussion civilized, Mike, but I wouldn't consider Hakan to be whining. Human nature often takes the stance what is good for me is fair. What is not good for me is not fair. If the Iraqis were over here promising to capture Bush, and did so, would you feel the same?

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina, who's to blame

2005-09-02 Thread Marty Phee
What's driving me nuts is what means were given to evacuate people? I heard the mayor talking on CNN last night and how he pleaded with people to leave. Did he provide any kind of transportation? The are many dirt poor people in that area that more than likely didn't have the means to move.

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread je.howard
I just got it. The less we hold people accountable for there own actions, the more we can blame the administration for all their troubles. Makes perfect sense to me. Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
There is an ant and the grasshopper thing going on here. Yes in the story, the grasshopper ends up singing for his supper, but, what do we do in the real world? Now, I'm not saying that all of the people in NO are bad and I agree that the people need help, but, how doyou help, without

Re: [Biofuel] FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety

2005-09-02 Thread Marty Phee
They chose a paid consultant to Glaxo to serve with an advisory committee that recommended approval of the drug. Who do you think advises the govt on many critical issues? Many govt organizations who make decisions for us have corporations on the boards. Keith Addison wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Risk Was Known as FDA OKd Fatal Drug

2005-09-02 Thread Nancy Canning
//are there still people out there who believe in FDA?\ The world is based on money and greed, Satan favorites', the father of lies and deceit. There are alternatives to the worldly ways. Acts 2:38 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] How a policy led to seven deadly drugs

2005-09-02 Thread Myk Hill
Maybe it is just me, but it seems that I have seen more advertising for FDA approved drugs and with that more class action lawsuits on drug companies then I do herbal companies or natural remedy type's. With either product though people do not take precautions due to lack of education from the

Re: [Biofuel] rockets, turbines and compressed air..was..[DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like totry something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-09-02 Thread Greg and April
Let me guess, potassium chlorate and sugar, cooked like candy to the hard crack stage on a candy thermometer? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 15:26 Subject: [Biofuel]

Re: [Biofuel] Oil crisis, Iraq, Bangladesh, New Orleans, Martial Law, Placing the blame.

2005-09-02 Thread Juan Gutierrez
I am with you From: Myk Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Oil crisis, Iraq, Bangladesh, New Orleans, Martial Law,Placing the blame. Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:38:57 -0400 (EDT) What we have come to is an orginization

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Ron Waugh
Interesing that you brought up silver. it is a natural antibiotic. It kills over 600 nasty things. I take silver water when ever I fell something coming on and It zaps it right out of me. I have not been sick in years. Look at www.silver medicine.org for more info. Levi - Original Message

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina, who's to blame

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings Kim Greetings Keith, I had to read you reply several times, for it to sink in. I don't think it did sink in very well. I am having trouble believing that you could equate the comments being made about New Orleans with people in Bangledesh. I didn't equate them, I compared them. As

Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol

2005-09-02 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Manick, Although I am an American, I live in Uruguay. There is no access to ethanol vehicles here as yet. Diesel vehicles definitely are available though heavily taxed. Plus this fits my overall scheme for making BioD in sufficient quantities to power an electric generator, my car and

Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hopefully we can keep this discussion civilized, Mike, but I wouldn't consider Hakan to be whining. In the interests of keeping it civilised, I must say I enjoyed Mike's message, he does a good line in industrial-strength irony. I hope Hakan enjoyed it too. For the rest, John, of course I

[Biofuel] Preparation of ethanol from molasses

2005-09-02 Thread Keith Addison
List member Manick Harris in Malaysia recently mentioned a method of producing ethanol from molasses, but the list server wouldn't accept the accompanying diagram (no attachments). We've uploaded both the diagram and Manick's description at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. I learned how to make colloidal silver back around 1997 and it is amazing stuff. I had a friend with a freshwater fish tank that was having problems with fish dying

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Ok well for what it's worh your statment at a) is wrong; I didn't judge that you stated you were involved or not involved. What I said was if you have such unconditional compassion you SHOULD be going to do something otherwise what does that make you? And your statement at b) is wrong; The

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread bob allen
you too can be blue: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2297471.stm silver works in vitro but there is scant evidence from controlled studies that it does much, if anything in vivo. Ron Waugh wrote: Interesing that you brought up silver. it is

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Joe, I'm rapidily becoming a real believer in silver as well. Here in Uruguay, there is an over the counter medicine called Coargental. During the winter I use it whenevr a sinus infection or sore throat kicks up. it's basically a silver compound in nose drop form. It doesn't work all the

[Biofuel] E85 and Ethanol MN news

2005-09-02 Thread MH
Two weeks ago I went by a fuel station selling E85 for USD 2.299 and unleaded gasoline USD 2.799 in Onalaska, WI which is now reported to be E85 USD 2.49 and unleaded gasoline USD 2.99 on Sep 2, 2005 at -- E85 Price Forum (The American Lung Association of Minnesota is not responsible for

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread bob allen
Tom and Joe, I am interested in what makes you think that silver does any good? Only personal experience, or do you know of any science behind the claims. the NCCAM (National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicines) was set up to study just such nostrums as colloidal silver. See

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-09-02 Thread Appal Energy
You not only didn't read what I wrote Kim, you completely sidestep, ignore and jump over your own all-encompassing statements and the singular stewpot that you place everyone in who doesn't measure up to your judgemental standards. And yet you continue to pass judgement on others in the midst

Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Street
Yeah it does work but it is not a silver bullet (pun intended) Pay attention to those posts about the blue skin. Many people think that if a little is good more is better. Colloidal silver only works when it comes in direct contact with single celled organisms like bacteria. Many viruses work

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