t-and-f: Webb Dragila Excel today June 8, 2004

2004-06-08 Thread Matthew Starr
1,500 metres 1. Alan Webb (U.S.) 3:32.73 2. Ivan Heshko (Ukraine) 3:32.88 3. Timothy Kiptanui (Kenya) 3:33.34 Pole vault 1. Stacy Dragila (U.S.) 4.83 - world record 2. Edda Elisdottir Thorey (Iceland) 4.40 3. Monika Pyrek (Poland) 4.40 Long jump 1. Tatyna Kotova (Russia) 7.00 2. Tatyana

Re: t-and-f: Webb Dragila Excel today June 8, 2004

2004-06-08 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Outdoor WR. Matthew Starr wrote: 1,500 metres 1. Alan Webb (U.S.) 3:32.73 2. Ivan Heshko (Ukraine) 3:32.88 3. Timothy Kiptanui (Kenya) 3:33.34 Pole vault 1. Stacy Dragila (U.S.) 4.83 - world record 2. Edda Elisdottir Thorey (Iceland) 4.40 3. Monika Pyrek (Poland) 4.40 Long jump 1.

Re: t-and-f: Webb Dragila Excel

2004-06-08 Thread Roger Ruth
Earlier today, Matthew wrote that Stacy Dragila had set a new world record in today's Grand Prix meet in Ostrava. Martin corrected that to Outdoor WR. I'm wondering whether, given current IAAF categories, there was any world record at all. Certainly, Stacy's 4.83 was the best outdoor vault,

Re: t-and-f: Webb Dragila Excel

2004-06-08 Thread Dave Cameron
--- Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, Yanks. Dragila's 4.83m converts to 14'10. Feofanova's 4.86m converts to 15'11 1/4. Too bad, that Stacy didn't go for 16 feet, a mark that would be a new World Record, however categorized, and a goal for the women's vault that even I, as an

Re: t-and-f: Webb Dragila Excel

2004-06-08 Thread Roger Ruth
Earlier today, I wrote: BTW, Yanks. Dragila's 4.83m converts to 14'10. Feofanova's 4.86m converts to 15'11 1/4. Too bad, that Stacy didn't go for 16 feet, a mark that would be a new World Record, however categorized, and a goal for the women's vault that even I, as an ex-Kansan, could

t-and-f: Webb poll

2002-08-16 Thread Post, Marty
As of this morning there were 711 votes in the where will Alan Webb be after the 2008 Olympics poll that appeared with the USA TODAY on-line story yesterday. Results: 35.44% - out of the sport, never living up to the hype 30.66% - US record holder at sub 3:47 19.27% - a 3:55 miler 14.63% -

Re: t-and-f: Webb poll

2002-08-16 Thread Kurt Bray
35.44% - out of the sport, never living up to the hype 30.66% - US record holder at sub 3:47 19.27% - a 3:55 miler 14.63% - Olympic medalist Choices are a bit puzzling. Obviously 2nd and 4th choices are not mutually exclusive. And since he is already at least a 3:55 miler, you could say that

Re: t-and-f: Webb poll

2002-08-16 Thread JimRTimes
In a message dated 8/16/02 10:02:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And having run 3:53 as an 18-year-old it's hard to believe he'd still be in the sport as a 3:55 man in 2008; maybe a 3:50 miler would have been a better option. I thought you were always known by your all-time PR. Hence, even if

Re: t-and-f: Webb poll

2002-08-16 Thread Lee Nichols
In a message dated 8/16/02 10:02:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And having run 3:53 as an 18-year-old it's hard to believe he'd still be in the sport as a 3:55 man in 2008; maybe a 3:50 miler would have been a better option. I thought you were always known by your all-time PR. Hence, even if

t-and-f: Webb Signs With Nike

2002-08-15 Thread WMurphy25
Walt Murphy's News and Results Service The rumors have been swirling for weeks, but it's been confirmed that Alan Webb has signed a lucrative contract with Nike. Dick Patrick has the exclusive story in today's edition of USA Today. A HREF=http://www.usatoday.com/;http://www.usatoday.com//A

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-07-19 Thread Martin J. Dixon
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:15:01 -0400 http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20020718-16634094.htm malmo wrote: Nope. malmo thinks the amount should cover the risk he takes if/when the slimy John Waters types

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-07-18 Thread Martin J. Dixon
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20020718-16634094.htm malmo wrote: Nope. malmo thinks the amount should cover the risk he takes if/when the slimy John Waters types (agents/shoe geeks) turn their backs on him if/when he becomes just another runner. malmo thinks that amount is all fantasy in

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-07-18 Thread Martin J. Dixon
. Not to say its a bad deal. Its a great one. But Mr. Webb, based on his salary, isn't going to be as wealthy as people think. From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro Date: Thu, 18 Jul

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-07-18 Thread malmo
To: Michael Contopoulos Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro Ok let's assume that he gives up half to his agent, additional expenses and for taxes. That's probably excessive but lets go with that. That leaves 125,000US. Let's further assume that this thing doesn't start until 2003

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-07-18 Thread Mike Prizy
to be as wealthy as people think. From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:15:01 -0400 http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20020718-16634094.htm malmo wrote

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-07-18 Thread alan tobin
-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:15:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [128.223.142.13] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBF00534C00944004324F80DF8E0DC9C10; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:27:00 -0700 Received

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Webb going pro first of all, going pro

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Is someone privy to his deals? Let's say he was paid the same as Kobe and Tiger then what say you? Some people seem to be strictly looking at the dollars. Take it off the table because we don't know. He thinks he has a good coach who won't screw it up like some people think is going to happen. He

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Shawn Devereaux
The major difference between Webb, Woods, and Bryant is that Woods was guaranteed millions in sponsorships the day he quit college whether he panned out or not. Same for Kobe, plus several million in signing bonuses from the Lakers. I'll take a guess and say that Webb's sponsorship is well below

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
of the West? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fred Finke Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro Just curious, But does the name Kobe Bryant come to anyone's mind

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Not running for the NCAA didn't hurt Wilson Kipketer, Hicham El-Gueruej, Haile Gebrelessie or Khalid Kahnnouchi. From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
Martin D. - Please explain to me (Mike P) how - in your opinion, and I presume not in any official capacity with GMU - was my comment offensive to GMU? My previous post: But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Fred Finke
at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Webb going pro first of all, going pro

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Because you were implying that GMU would not be able to do as good a job above the shoulders. Maybe that is true. Is there any empirical evidence in whatever field he was in at UM and whatever he is in at GMU? Somebody must have the answer to that question given how many conclusions are being

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Elitnet
Yep!!! that's a fair projection in the running market. It's just a totally different market in comparison to b-ball or other huge revenue sports. In a message dated 6/21/2002 4:27:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Webb doesn't show significant improvement in the next year or two, it's over.

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
I said - one more year of college running would have done wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders - no where did I slam any educational institution! I was not implying anything about GMU. If he can get one more year of college running at GMU, fine. I think one more

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Kurt Bray
I worry about Webb going pro now not over any questions of money nor even educational opportunity - he's an adult now and can judge those things for himself. My concern is that he not harm his development by rushing to jump to a higher level of the sport when he has not yet mastered his

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
I agree with you. And, I hope his decision takes him right to his goals. It is great that we are able to have this debate at all in the U.S. There are a lot of great young U.S. distance runners coming up. I think this issue will be revisited a few times over the next several years. I hope good

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Hayward102
I think Webb would have been better off to stay in college, but people are blowing this decision way out of proportion. As far as I have heard he is still going to be getting an education and he will likely be running in some of the same meets he would have at Michigan. It really boils down

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be surprised and disappointed) he gets: a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess that is conservative (that's 50K a year for life invested)) Let's be realistic here instead of throwing all kinds of numbers around. First off, what

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Prizy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:51 AM To: Fred Finke Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have been better

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread JimRTimes
Although Webb's on a slightly higher level: Can you say Liz Mueller? Foot Locker champ went to several colleges, kept leaving because she didn't like the coaches, wound up someplace where the coach allowed her to pick her own races and set her own training schedule. She is now a boxer,

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
Nope. malmo thinks the amount should cover the risk he takes if/when the slimy John Waters types (agents/shoe geeks) turn their backs on him if/when he becomes just another runner. malmo thinks that amount is all fantasy in the minds of some track fans. malmo malmo seems to think that if he

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
It could happen. Dave Sandridge former Van Cortlandt Park XC HS recorder holder once whupped Golden Gloves Champion (and future boxing legend) Sugar Ray Leonard's a$$ in a lockerroom brawl. Like Webb, college (Villanova) wasn't for Sandridge either. malmo Although Webb's on a slightly higher

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
As far as John Sun's comments are concerned, since when can business people be counted on to pay what the appropriate market is? Do a search and include dot-com and bubble in your search parameters. Draw your own conclusions. Business people will only pay what the market demands. Simple

t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-20 Thread koala
first of all, going pro is probably misleading- I doubt Webb is doing it for the money he could realistically expect in the next year or two. Second, Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride? Sure there's a difference- Woods had

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-20 Thread Elitnet
Not at all a proper comparison. Tiger and Webb. We are talking whole lot more dollars In a message dated 6/20/2002 8:36:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride?

RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro

2002-06-20 Thread Fred Finke
] -- \/\ Visit me at: www.Coachnet.net *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Webb going

t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

2002-06-18 Thread Post, Marty
Alan Webb has signed with Ray Flynn's Sports Management agency (terms undisclosed). He's leaving Michigan and returning to Virginia. Will train with HS coach Scott Razcko and enroll at George Mason U. Won't run junior nationals this weekend. Details and quotes from Webb at www.runnersworld.com

Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

2002-06-18 Thread malmo
Ray Flynn is a list lurker. What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are no longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade away the best four years of his life? Or is it just business? malmo Alan Webb has signed with Ray Flynn's Sports Management agency

Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

2002-06-18 Thread DLTFNedit
I'm sure Ray Flynn did not recruit Webb to his group by encouraging him to leave school. But if Webb wants to leave a school and sign with an agent, why should Flynn turn him down? sideshow

Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

2002-06-18 Thread Shawn Devereaux
Hate to ask the obvious, but not being hip to distance running... Webb is extremely good for an american 19 year old, but is he actually good enough to be invited to meets that would allow him to earn money from running outside of the shoe contract? I can't see the title of HS mile recordholder

t-and-f: Webb qualifies... barely

2002-05-13 Thread Post, Marty
Rather than head out to Calif for the Stanford Qualifier, Alan Webb decided to run in the Len Paddock Invitational at Ann Arbor this past weekend. Ran second in the 1500 in 3:41.46 (to Tim Broe, 3:40.67), so he just squeaked under the NCAA champs Auto qualifier of 3:41.50. And if he decides to

Re: t-and-f: Webb qualifies... barely

2002-05-13 Thread Lane71321
USA Champs not a problem. He clobbered the standard last in 2001 and it counts as a qualifier. They take 3:59.10 for the mile. In a message dated 5/13/2002 10:32:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: an second in the 1500 in 3:41.46 (to Tim Broe, 3:40.67), so he just squeaked under the NCAA champs

Re: t-and-f: Webb qualifies... barely

2002-05-13 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Mon, 13 May 2002  1:31:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ran second in the 1500 in 3:41.46 (to Tim Broe, 3:40.67), so he just squeaked under the NCAA champs Auto qualifier of 3:41.50. And if he decides to compete in USATF he beat the A

Re: t-and-f: Webb takes ninth at Mt SAC 1500

2002-04-22 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Banovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track and field list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb takes ninth at Mt SAC 1500 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:09:53 -0600 Partly because of a Montana boy named Scott McGowan. Go Griz! Tony Banovich Billings, Montana At 10:21 PM 4/20/2002 -0700, you

Re: t-and-f: Webb takes ninth at Mt SAC 1500

2002-04-21 Thread RunLikeMad
A quick sum-up: he started out pretty far back in the pack in the first 100m. 2nd or 3rd to last. By 500 into the race he was pushing towards the front, top 1/3 of pack. He took the lead about 700 into the race and pushed the pace slightly. I don't remember the split for 800... maybe 2:01

Re: t-and-f: Webb takes ninth at Mt SAC 1500

2002-04-21 Thread Tony Banovich
Partly because of a Montana boy named Scott McGowan. Go Griz! Tony Banovich Billings, Montana At 10:21 PM 4/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: Y ask: Anyone know how Webb got shunted back to ninth at Mt SAC Relays? Results just posted here: http://vm.mtsac.edu/relays/2002/results/B82E.gif Ken

t-and-f: Webb takes ninth at Mt SAC 1500

2002-04-20 Thread ken . stone
Y ask: Anyone know how Webb got shunted back to ninth at Mt SAC Relays? Results just posted here: http://vm.mtsac.edu/relays/2002/results/B82E.gif Ken Stone

t-and-f: Webb focusing on Wolrd Jrs... past winners???

2002-04-11 Thread Michael Contopoulos
So Alan Webb said he will forego US Senior Nationals this year to concentrate on World Juniors. I was wondering if anyone had a list of lets say the last 10-15 years of Junior Champs in the 1500 and 5k. I would be interested in seeing how many WJ winners in these events became World

t-and-f: Webb at Mt. SAC

2002-04-11 Thread Ssd
To answer all of the mail I am getting, let me just say that Alan Webb will run on Sat night at SAC in a very hot college race. I will detail it later; no time right now. His coach asked specifically for this race which, of course, I was happy to accommodate. It should be quite good. Most

t-and-f: Webb puts the pressure on

2001-12-31 Thread GHTFNedit
Some thoughts from AW in his interview in the latest issue of TFN: TFN: Any thoughts looking back at your record-setting high school season before you begin your first collegiate track season? Webb: Uh, I guess I?d like to see another U.S. high school miler break 4:00 this year. I think it

t-and-f: Webb/Sully on the road next year?

2001-12-24 Thread Martin J. Dixon
From Paul Christman's Mai Tai Diaries on the Honolulu Marathon Week. The organizers are UM grads and bring in various and sundry UM alumni every year. More of Paul's free associating(including a Rono tidbit) on the week at: http://www.runningstats.com/Pages/740/Players.html Regards and best of

t-and-f: Webb, Pilja Finish One-Two at Great American Festival

2001-09-22 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Probably old news but I'm on the digest and haven't got one in a while. The list must be pretty quiet. http://mgoblue.com/crosscountry-m/01-02/release-09-21.html Regards, Martin

RE: t-and-f: Webb, Pilja Finish One-Two at Great American Festival

2001-09-22 Thread John Dye
Great pictures and complete results are on DyeStat. www.dyestat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin J. Dixon Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:53 AM To: Track Field List Subject: t-and-f: Webb, Pilja Finish One-Two

Re: t-and-f: Webb vs. Ritz

2001-07-01 Thread FMBYRNES
In a message dated 6/30/01 9:41:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: at 4:15, webb is more than 20 seconds slower than his best. he's quite comfortable and won't be dropped. with 300 to go he's gone. i love ritz, but this would not be his race. As one who has seen them both

Re: t-and-f: Webb vs. Ritz

2001-07-01 Thread FMBYRNES
In a message dated 6/30/01 10:40:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess Webb could break the HS 5k record and beat Ritz since it is "only" 4:25 pace which is 30 secs slower than his best. MIght as well give Webb the HS 10k record while we are at it. Hell, let's go

t-and-f: Webb vs. Ritz

2001-06-30 Thread GHTFNedit
i was surpised at how few people rose to the bait on that one; figured everybody would have an opinion. I'm also surprised at how many people cited XC as an argument for Ritz. XC running isn't remotely the same as track, and while Ritz clearly has had an upper hand in that department, my

t-and-f: Webb waddles in Duck-land

2001-06-23 Thread Randy Treadway
from the USATF web site : * Whew!: In qualifying rounds, Alan Webb extracted himself from a tight pack and recovered from a slight trip-up to win the first heat of the men's 1,500m in 4:45.77. A final 200m of just over 25 seconds propelled him to the win. 2000 Olympic Trials champion Gabe

t-and-f: Webb could be the one

2001-06-23 Thread DHSTFCOACH
Listers, I have been reading Ed Grant's posts about lack of coverage for track in NJ and I have to tell you it is the same thing here in CT. My local paper will usually only put a 3 inch column for any track news and even the local track stuff is sometimes a day late. But I just

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-20 Thread David Dallman
Amid all this very interesting discussion about the US team for Edmonton, please remember that the US is in the fortunate position of being able to send the maximum of 3 athletes per event (if qualified). As has been mentioned sometimes in the past, this is not true for most other countries.

t-and-f: Webb/Ritzenhein

2001-06-20 Thread WMurphy25
Only in Eugenetoday's Register Guard A HREF=http://www.registerguard.com;http://www.registerguard.com/A has a big color photo of Alan Webb on the front page of the sports section, along with a story, and the other featured article is on Dathan Ritzenhein, who says that Oregon was his 2nd

RE: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-20 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Hall is in, see list below your message. Mike In a message dated 6/15/01 9:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton

2001-06-20 Thread Jason Michael Blank
One overlooked factor in Ritzenheim's case is that Michigan's rules on high school athletics prevented him from running in more than two (?) invitationals, which meant that he ran only one 5000m on the track this spring. In other words, he missed the qualifier by less than a second in his only

Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-20 Thread Ksully330
McMullen qualified 2 days later in Boston running 3:40 and change. Kevin Sullivan In a message dated 6/20/01 10:31:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the 1500m, Paul McMullen ran (from my watch) a 3:42.7 or so. They had FAT timing, so his official time is available

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Michael Contopoulos
) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton. Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:46:03 -0400 The WC A standard at 1500m is rather stiff this year: 3:36.20. From 1983 there has been exactly one US championship where the winning time was 3:36.20

t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Post, Marty
The WC A standard at 1500m is rather stiff this year: 3:36.20. From 1983 there has been exactly one US championship where the winning time was 3:36.20 or faster, last year when Jennings ran 3:35.90 (and he was the only one). The last three US champs in Eugene ('86, 93, '99) winning times were

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ryan Grote
on the track and worry about the ramifications later. Its that old cart before the horse thing. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: t-and-f: Webb

RE: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Post, Marty
]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:25 PM To: Post, Marty; 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton. But what if he wins? Is it then a situation a la the marathon trials where the champion gets into the meet even

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Kristopher Rolin
] Reply-To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton. Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:46:03 -0400 The WC A standard at 1500m is rather stiff this year: 3:36.20. From

RE: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread John Dye
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Even if Webb makes top 3 it seems extremely remote he'll have A qualifier. And his coach has supposedly said he will not chase one in Europe. That's exactly what Coach Raczko said in

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
it would seem to be the same situation as 2000 Oly mens/womens Marathon Trials if Webb wins the WC B standard is 3:38.40, which he's already met with 3:38.26 so he would be able to go to Edmonton if he wins no matter how slow Unless two other Trials finalists break 3:36.20 afterwards,

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread mmrohl
Netters Kristopher Rolin writes: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: Anyone notice that they have let Ryan Hall into the 1500m as the last qualifier. Looks like they let the a guy in front of him in also with a 3:42.6 when the time was 3:41 something. Ritz's was only like .16

RE: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Eckel, Ryan
: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:57 PM To: Kristopher Rolin Cc: Michael Contopoulos; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton. Netters Kristopher Rolin writes: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: Anyone notice

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: Anyone notice that they have let Ryan Hall into the 1500m as the last qualifier. Looks like they let the a guy in front of him in also with a 3:42.6 when the time was 3:41 something. Ritz's was only like .16 of the Q time not a full

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread WMurphy25
In a message dated 6/19/01 1:38:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But what if he wins? Is it then a situation a la the marathon trials where the champion gets into the meet even if no qualifier? Can the champion who runs 3:39 go to Worlds and block others who potentially posess the

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
Except that unlike Golf in Track and field performance is paramount. There is room to let old duffers in in a golf tournament with nearly unlimited space to play, In track there is limited space. So though allowing a Steve Scott to run would remove a better runner from the field where as

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
USATF's policy is to take as many people as possible per event. If Webb wins, and doesn't meet the standard in doing so (and doesn't chase it in Europe), then Michael Stember and David Krummenacker, assuming they run in Eugene, will go to Edmonton. This is also assuming that Gabe Jennings

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread WMurphy25
In a message dated 6/19/01 6:34:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does Stember have the A standard? I thought he made the Olympic A standard but not the world A standard Stember ran 3:35.11 in Monaco last year. (The A standard is 3:36.20) Walt Murphy

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton

2001-06-19 Thread Daniel Niednagel
Ryan Eckl wrote: In addition to promoting the sport, it is one of the missions of the USATF to develop the nation's promising talent. Note that no one was adversely affected by the decision to let Hall run. In other words, no one was denied entry who otherwise would have been accepted. USATF

Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-15 Thread Mitchell S. Clair, Esq
] Date: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Carl Lewis competed at TAC as a ninth-grader at Levitt Junior High in 1978 in the long jump and had a #9 us ranking that year as a 14-year-old, but of course had to wait until her junior year of HS to make

RE: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-15 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
Yeah I think he meant Car(o)l Lewis ... that is why he kept saying 'her' ... Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: Mitchell S. Clair, Esq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:30 AM To: Reuben Frank; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall

Fwd: RE: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-15 Thread Dave Cameron
- From: Mitchell S. Clair, Esq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:30 AM To: Reuben Frank; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Being that I am the same age as Carl, and ran in the same track meets he did in high school, I can

Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-15 Thread Reuben Frank
of course it was a typo - Carol, not Carl --- Mitchell S. Clair, Esq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being that I am the same age as Carl, and ran in the same track meets he did in high school, I can tell you that in 1978 he was a jr. at Willingboro high. In 1980 he was freshman at Houston.

t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-15 Thread Martin J. Dixon
I may have missed it, but did this question ever get answered? Regards, Martin Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:33:56 -0400 From: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals You're forgetting Monique Henderson in the 400. So is Hall in or not? From

Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-15 Thread Mpplatt
Hall is in, see list below your message. Mike In a message dated 6/15/01 9:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I may have missed it, but did this question ever get answered? Regards, Martin Michael Stember 3:35.11 qualified Gabriel Jennings 3:35.21

t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Conway
Is Ryan Hall going to be able to run the 1500 at the US Championships ?? I realize he was just short of the actual qualifying mark, but are there provisions that would allow him to run ?? If so when was the last time 2 high schoolers qualified to run at nationals in the same year ?? And given the

Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread DANIEL DEYO
PM Subject: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Is Ryan Hall going to be able to run the 1500 at the US Championships ?? I realize he was just short of the actual qualifying mark, but are there provisions that would allow him to run ?? If so when was the last time 2 high schoolers qualified

RE: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Ben Hall
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Conway Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:03 PM To: T-and-F@Lists. Uoregon. Edu Subject: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Is Ryan Hall going to be able to run the 1500 at the US Championships ?? I realize he was just

Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Michael Contopoulos
You're forgetting Monique Henderson in the 400. So is Hall in or not? From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:33:56 -0400 Actually, there were 2 in the jav and 2

t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Pfeifer
who were high schoolers. One in the 400, one in the javelin, and one in the pole vault. --Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Conway Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:03 PM To: T-and-F@Lists. Uoregon. Edu Subject: t-and-f: Webb and Hall

Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Conway
in the pole vault. --Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Conway Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:03 PM To: T-and-F@Lists. Uoregon. Edu Subject: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Is Ryan Hall going to be able to run the 1500

FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Highfill, Floyd
: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:01 PM To: Michael Contopoulos; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals I think this is a fairly complete list. Pulled from looking at results on the TFNews website. Muna Lee (100) Erica Whipple (100) Angel

FW: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Highfill, Floyd
. athlete to do so, however. Floyd Highfill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals In a message dated 6/14/01 4:24:17 PM Eastern

Re: FW: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Michael Contopoulos
at Stanford and played in the 1952 Rose Bowl. M From: Highfill, Floyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Highfill, Floyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Track and Field Listers' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:34:22 -0600 I don't know that much

t-and-f: Webb and Hall

2001-06-14 Thread Eckmann, Drew
Ahhh - but does anyone (besides me) know when the last time a Junior High athlete not only qualified for nationals but actually made an Olympic track and field team and competed in the Olympics that year? Marjorie Larney in '52? /Drew

FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall

2001-06-14 Thread Highfill, Floyd
]' Subject: t-and-f: Webb and Hall Ahhh - but does anyone (besides me) know when the last time a Junior High athlete not only qualified for nationals but actually made an Olympic track and field team and competed in the Olympics that year? Marjorie Larney in '52? /Drew

Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Mike and Barb Hubbard
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals I think this is a fairly complete list. Pulled from looking at results on the TFNews website. Muna Lee (100) Erica Whipple (100) Angel Perkins (400) Monique Henderson (400) Sheena Johnson (400H) Amy Linnen (PV) Staci Manuel (PV) Samantha

Re: FW: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread P.F.Talbot
and competed in the Olympics that year? Floyd Highfill -Original Message- From: Ben Hall [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:01 PM To: Michael Contopoulos; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

RE: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

2001-06-14 Thread Ben Hall
Hall Cc: Track List Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals Linnen and Johnson are both college freshmen and competed in the NCAA, Johnson for UCLA and Linnen for Arizona. - Original Message - From: Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL

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