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(Apologies for top posting, it's my mail client)
Nick
Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
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Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com
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Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Russ Nelson wrote:
Dave F. writes:
I
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote:
2009/9/29 ed...@billiau.net:
2009/9/29 ed...@billiau.net:
Classic!
I always thought the americans bastardised the english language, but I
came to find out in recent years american english is an older form of
english and well yea, they're
Russ Nelson wrote:
Dave F. writes:
I look for /indications /of rights of way on my OS map. Initially this
is the only evidence I have.
If I see it's not indicated in OSM I go walk it.
I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one who does this.
Is this a breach of copyright?
Not
2009/10/1 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com:
Obviously you are in the UK making reference to a work under UK
copyright, so none of this applies to you. I merely put this here so
that people in the US understand that they CAN do what you are doing.
even when the servers are in the UK?
Martin
@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
2009/9/29 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com:
Richard Fairhurst writes:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as
public domain
when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same
Lawds, I wish the English could speak English. Who decided it would
be a good idea to fork off American into a whole 'nother language?
Well if it's any consolation I seem to have learnt the American meaning of
public domain before any English meaning ;-)
Nick
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Lawds, I wish the English could speak English. Who decided it would
be a good idea to fork off American into a whole 'nother language?
That would be Noah Webster.
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talk
Incidentally, as well as the possible OS contamination, the Council will
itself have database and content copyright in the data, so explicit
permission would be needed from them to incorporate and release it under
our CCBySA license. In obtaining that permission you could ask them to
assert
On 28/09/2009 08:53, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Incidentally, as well as the possible OS contamination, the Council will
itself have database and content copyright in the data, so explicit
permission would be needed from them to incorporate and release it under
our CCBySA license. In obtaining
David Earl wrote:
On 28/09/2009 08:53, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Incidentally, as well as the possible OS contamination, the Council will
itself have database and content copyright in the data, so explicit
permission would be needed from them to incorporate and release it under
our CCBySA
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as public domain
when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils.
Bear in mind that public domain meaning free of copyright is a US term.
The traditional UK meaning is quite different.
In the UK, if you say
Bear in mind that public domain meaning free of copyright is a US
term.
The traditional UK meaning is quite different.
In the UK, if you say the map is now in the public domain, that means
that
the map is now available to the public - i.e. it's not solely an internal
publication. It does not
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Bear in mind that public domain meaning free of copyright is a US
term.
The traditional UK meaning is quite different.
In the UK, if you say the map is now in the public domain,
that means
that
the map is now available
Coincidentally I have just had a meeting with someone from one of the
local councils who is interested in using OSM data for their online
services. I brought up this issue and he explicitly said that the
coordinates of the footpaths on the definitive map were derived from
Ordnance Survey
Richard Fairhurst writes:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as public domain
when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils.
Bear in mind that public domain meaning free of copyright is a US term.
The traditional UK meaning is
2009/9/29 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com:
Richard Fairhurst writes:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as public domain
when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils.
Bear in mind that public domain meaning free of copyright is a
Russ Nelson wrote:
Lawds, I wish the English could speak English. Who decided it would
be a good idea to fork off American into a whole 'nother language?
Many believe the American version is closer to the original. We in the
UK then went added extra letters to certain words jut to show
This is a continuation of the thread [OSM-talk] Field boundaries,
specifically the message on the 25th at 10:42
I started a new one because it would stray from the original topic.
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Just to check, and apologies if I'm telling you the complete obvious: make
sure that the OS
2009/9/25 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
Is this a breach of copyright?
I've already been in a similar discussion about using google maps to
plan routes, some suggest this is breach of copyright, but then anyone
using a map for any reason would be in breach of copyright so I doubt
this is
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of way,
and its associated copyright, would belong to the Local Council. When
they make a legal order to record a public right of
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of way,
and its associated copyright, would belong to the Local Council. When
they make a legal order to record
On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote:
The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay,
but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info.
eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce
the definitive maps.
Do you know for
Dave F. wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of way,
and its associated copyright, would belong to the Local Council. When
they
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote:
The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay,
but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info.
eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce
the definitive maps.
Do
Chris Hill wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of way,
and its associated copyright, would
You bring up a point that I think needs expanding on for clarification.
I decide where I'm going to go for a walk by looking at a combination of
my OS and OSM maps.
I look for /indications /of rights of way on my OS map. Initially this
is the only evidence I have.
If I see it's not indicated in
On 25 Sep 2009, at 15:27, Dave F. wrote:
Chris Hill wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of
way,
and its associated
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote:
The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay,
but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info.
eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce
the definitive maps.
On 25/09/2009 14:30, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of way,
and its associated copyright, would belong to the Local Council. When
they make a legal order to record a public right of
Dave F. wrote:
Chris Hill wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating to public rights of
Chris Hill wrote:
Sent: 25 September 2009 3:08 PM
To: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Dave F. wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
council. He intimated that the data relating
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote:
The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay,
but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info.
eg GPS survey equipment from
Chris Hill wrote:
Sent: 25 September 2009 4:02 PM
To: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Dave F. wrote:
Chris Hill wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 13:16, Dave F. wrote:
I had an email conversation with the mapping officer from my local
September 2009 13:16
To: OSM Talk
Subject: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
This is a continuation of the thread [OSM-talk] Field
boundaries, specifically the message on the 25th at 10:42 I
started a new one because it would stray from the original topic.
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Just to check
of way.
Mike Harris
-Original Message-
From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 September 2009 13:29
To: Dave F.
Cc: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
2009/9/25 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
Is this a breach of copyright?
I've
time walking a 1000 km a year along rights of way with a GPS in my sticky
little hand!
Mike Harris
-Original Message-
From: Dave F. [mailto:dave...@madasafish.com]
Sent: 25 September 2009 14:30
To: Tom Hughes
Cc: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Tom Hughes
producing definitive maps - just amending them
from time to time in respect of a particular path.
Mike Harris
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From: Dave F. [mailto:dave...@madasafish.com]
Sent: 25 September 2009 15:16
Cc: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09/09 14:30
F.'
Cc: 'OSM Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
It does seem that what is needed here is not the definitive map but rather the
survey data the two surveyors gathered. As others have said if that data has
been overlain onto an OS map there is no way of knowing what is derived
Mike Harris wrote:
There may be a misunderstanding here - the Definitive Map is a legal
document and was (in almost all cases produced a long time ago -
interesting thought in passing - if it is 50 years old would it be out
of copyright! The initiating legislation is the National Parks and
resources, you are unlikely to see more than a few dozen (at most)
per year per county.
Mike Harris
-Original Message-
From: Jon Stockill [mailto:li...@stockill.net]
Sent: 25 September 2009 15:54
To: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Tom Hughes wrote:
On 25/09
...@itn.co.uk]
Sent: 25 September 2009 18:24
To: 'Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)'; 'Dave F.'
Cc: 'OSM Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
+1
The 'definitive statement' is the only thing from the local authority that
we can really use, but that is surprisingly detailed. Here's an example
2009 18:29
Cc: 'OSM Talk'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Mike Harris wrote:
There may be a misunderstanding here - the Definitive Map
is a legal
document and was (in almost all cases produced a long time ago -
interesting thought in passing - if it is 50 years old
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Mike Harris wrote:
The second issue is that the text uses OS GRs throughout - so what is the
status as a derivative work?
it mentions grid references but gives enough detail from the road names,
places of gates and number of metres to be walked that you could find that
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Mike Harris wrote:
Statements are almost or completely empty for hundreds of paths - sometimes
not a single path in a parish has a meaningful Definitive Statement! This
is an illegal state of affairs but that is simply the case and cannot now
be changed (other than by a
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