Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Stephen Hope
Or how big almost any place not in Europe is. I still remember somebody suggesting a kayak safari to map the Australian coast rather than using imagery/PGS imports. Stephen On 10 June 2012 14:56, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Me too. I think that the people who wish that the USA had

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Simon Poole
That is naturally offset by big empty places, being EMPTY (except if you are in to mapping non-road stuff, but then you get what you deserve). Simon Am 11.06.2012 15:08, schrieb Stephen Hope: Or how big almost any place not in Europe is. I still remember somebody suggesting a kayak safari

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Russ Nelson wrote: I think that the people who wish that the USA had been mapped just like Europe have NO IDEA how big the USA is, nor how empty it is. True enough, but then, I often think that the people who scoff at the people who wish that the USA had been mapped just like Europe and who

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Tom Hughes
On 11/06/12 16:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Which is a shame, because mid-Wales is lovely. Well it is to you as a boater ;-) To everybody else right now it's a big lake... Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-11 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 07:18:04AM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sorry, where was I? I don't know about you, but I was in mid-Wales. It was very sunny. s ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-09 Thread Russ Nelson
Worst Fixer writes: Hello Frederik, You mean Hallo. I see. You mean Ich see. I would not expect that. You mean Ich would nicht expect that. Suddenly, your English becomes better once your trolling becomes successful and people start to oppose you directly. Odd how that happens. OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-09 Thread Russ Nelson
Phil! Gold writes: I can only speak for myself, but I'm happy that TIGER was imported. I grumble about its quality problems and quirks all the time, usually while I'm fixing them, but I think the US is much better off with that import than it would have been without it. Me too. I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/6/2012 3:11 PM, Tirkon wrote: Worst Fixerworstfi...@gmail.com wrote: It means that we must revert things like TIGER and CanVec. Am I right? I think fundamentally you are right with this point. My impression is that many people at OSM regret these imports - in fact the longer they are

[OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Worst Fixer
Hello. Ich read current import guide lines. They are long. Hard to understand. Easy to ignore. Even established mappers some times fail following. Even when they want. Look: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines I did a redraw of them. To make understanding easier.

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/06/2012 11:09 AM, Worst Fixer wrote: I did a redraw of them. To make understanding easier. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/WorstFixer/diary/17025 Do you have any comments? What to add? What to remove? I am very reluctant to have someone who (1) has created their OSM account only

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Frederik Ramm Assess the impact that your import will have on the community. But you can say the same for manual editions too. What is the impact of adding indoor mapping, rooms, floors, private footpaths, 3D roofs and textures, tons of lane tags making data

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Philippe Rieffel
But you can say the same for manual editions too. What is the impact of adding indoor mapping, rooms, floors, private footpaths, 3D roofs and textures, tons of lane tags making data interpretation almost impossible for newcomers ? I guess the important part here is simply scale. No one

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 06.06.2012 14:38, Pieren: On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Frederik Ramm Assess the impact that your import will have on the community. But you can say the same for manual editions too. What is the impact of adding indoor mapping, rooms, floors, private footpaths, 3D roofs and textures,

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Werner Poppele
Pieren wrote: On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Frederik Ramm Assess the impact that your import will have on the community. But you can say the same for manual editions too. What is the impact of adding indoor mapping, rooms, floors, private footpaths, 3D roofs and textures, tons of lane tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Worst Fixer
Hello Frederik, I did a redraw of them. To make understanding easier. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/WorstFixer/diary/17025 Do you have any comments? What to add? What to remove? I am very reluctant to have someone who ... (4) continues to make misleading and offensive statements in

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/06/2012 02:59 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: So I agree with Frederik that we should evaluate imports for their impact on the community. I also feel that make available instead of import is a good way to ensure that a) there is a local community to maintain the data and b) that local

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Philippe Rieffel
2012/6/6 Worst Fixer worstfi...@gmail.com: I am very reluctant to have someone who ... (4) continues to make misleading and offensive statements in their OSM user blog play any part in rewriting our import guidelines, or helping to enforce them. I see. Personality and charisma matters

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: A note of caution though; in France, the approach make available instead if import has been tried for buildings as far as I know, and it has lead to a very small number of people taking the data that was made available

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Tirkon
Worst Fixer worstfi...@gmail.com wrote: It means that we must revert things like TIGER and CanVec. Am I right? I think fundamentally you are right with this point. My impression is that many people at OSM regret these imports - in fact the longer they are involved in the project. The problem is

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Werner Poppele popp...@hm.edu wrote: Dont forget that an importer can produce thousands of errors in a very short period of time. All these must be fixed by humans. In some cases years after the import Notorious North American example: TIGER...

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Phil! Gold
* Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de [2012-06-06 21:11 +0200]: Worst Fixer worstfi...@gmail.com wrote: It means that we must revert things like TIGER and CanVec. Am I right? I think fundamentally you are right with this point. My impression is that many people at OSM regret these imports - in fact the

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: I can only speak for myself, but I'm happy that TIGER was imported. I grumble about its quality problems and quirks all the time, usually while I'm fixing them, but I think the US is much better off with that import than it

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/6/7 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: I've only been involved with OSM for a short while, but I believe that imports do help.  I have fixed some of the bad TIGER imports but without them much of the US wouldn't be mapped. That is an open question. Maybe there would be more mappers

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2012-06-07 00:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/6/7 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: I've only been involved with OSM for a short while, but I believe that imports do help.  I have fixed some of the bad TIGER imports but without them much of the US wouldn't be mapped. That is an