Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: In my opinion, changeset-based sources also make it clear which edit was using which source. For example, since good Bing imagery has become available, I've developed a habit to trace the buildings in an area from Bing,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I've been away for a while. But it seems to me from reading the terms that I can't say yes to them in good faith, not because I don't want to, but because I remember I derived a few things from external CC-BY-SA,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Steve Bennett-3 wrote: Hi Aevar, Out of curiosity, how do you derive stuff from a CC-BY-SA source without making a note of the source? I mean, the -BY- part means you have to attribute the source. So presumably you weren't in compliance with their licence anyway... Here's one

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Steve Bennett-3 wrote: ..the -BY- part means you have to attribute the source. So presumably you weren't in compliance with their licence anyway... My understanding is that attribution is covered by the public attributions on this Wiki page:

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Yes surely that is the situation - use the source tag when using something other than gps. I have accepted the ToC, TBH I really don't give a monkeys either way though have something of a preference for PD as it keeps life simpler, and I believe the small minority of OS OpenData I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: and that the source tag is certainly recommended, but not enforced. There is no such thing as an enforced tag in OSM. If you choose not to use a tag then that is your choice. Not using a source tag when basing

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Toby Murray-2 wrote: There is no such thing as an enforced tag in OSM. If you choose not to use a tag then that is your choice. Enforced may have been a poor choice of word. What I meant was that, as I understand it, there is no particular licensing requirement that every node/way derived

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/16 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: and that the source tag is certainly recommended, but not enforced. There is no such thing as an enforced tag in OSM. If you choose not to use a tag then that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread SomeoneElse
On 16/06/2011 18:00, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments. The problem with the changeset source tag is that there's no

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 16/06/2011 18:00, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Ed Avis
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab at gmail.com writes: I've been away for a while. But it seems to me from reading the terms that I can't say yes to them in good faith, not because I don't want to, but because I remember I derived a few things from external CC-BY-SA, and I can't now recall what they

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments. Source is disputed? By whom?

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer Source is disputed? By whom? I've never heard any dispute about it? I put a source tag on every single object I create, and try and update it when I modify it. It is not completely useless but

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Tobias Knerr
Steve Bennett wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments.

[OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Back in 2006 I wrote the following when it still wasn't clear what the ODbL acceptance terms would be like: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 22:10, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: If someone presents me with a boolean Do you allow relicensing under the ODbL I'll have to say no because

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100%of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com To: OpenStreetMap blather talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100%of my data? Back in 2006 I wrote the following when

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread john whelan
Exactly my own situation, except following poor advice I accepted the new CT. Apparently it is not possible to change the CT status and my formal request to have my suspect data deleted seems to have been ignored. My recommendation is not to accept the CT, and reenter those items that you did

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Toby Murray
If only there were a way to indicate the *source* of a given object... This is obviously hindsight and doesn't help at this point in your situation but seriously... The source=* tag: use it. Toby On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:48 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly my own