Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Hi Paul Short answer: Yes, it can be incorporated as long as it's been issued under the Open Government Licence. http://www.rowmaps.com/ However, this data is not always the most accurate & the consensus is that it's much better if "witnessed" by walking it. For example, the direction of a

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On 21/12/16 10:54, Dave F wrote: Short answer: Yes, it can be incorporated as long as it's been issued under the Open Government Licence. http://www.rowmaps.com/ A more complete answer is "probably not", as it is unlikely that many definitive maps are provided under such a licence. If they

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Row maps is definitely not based on OGL data. It includes E Yorks and Hull data that both councils have explicitly refused to release as OGL. I have asked Barry for his sources and there has been a stoney silence. If anyone has used rowmaps as a source for OSM edits I would revert that edit.

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Thanks everyone for the rapid influx of comments. I've clearly mined a deep vein here. In my locale, the council's records are overlays onto OS mapping, so this is what I'm taking away from the conversation: You should not copy from these maps, but they are useful to get an idea > of what is

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Interesting. Under what license to you believe East Riding issued the data that ROWmaps is using? DaveF. On 21/12/2016 11:17, Chris Hill wrote: Row maps is definitely not based on OGL data. It includes E Yorks and Hull data that both councils have explicitly refused to release as OGL. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

The circumstances under which the East Riding of Yorkshire data was provided to rowmaps are set out here: http://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/EY/ I've no reason to mistrust Barry's account. But there is obviously a provenance issue for other users if the Council as copyright holder has not confirmed

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On Wed, 2016-12-21 at 10:39 +, Paul Berry wrote: > Hi everyone, > > As you probably know, local authorities must keep available an up-to- > date copy of rights of way for inspection. Can this information then > be incorporated into OSM, having been witnessed, or is it a case of > public but

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On 21/12/2016 11:04, David Woolley wrote: A more complete answer is "probably not", as it is unlikely that many definitive maps are provided under such a licence. If they are, they will almost certainly be online. It is also unlikely that anyone providing physical access to the map will

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Hi I'm a bit confused. Both Chris & David W. appear to have missed the link to http://www.rowmaps.com/. Can others see it? DaveF. On 21/12/2016 11:07, Chris Hill wrote: Have any Local Authorities released their definitive maps or statements under OGL? I want to know so I can use examples as

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On Wed, 2016-12-21 at 11:07 +, Chris Hill wrote: > Have any Local Authorities released their definitive maps or > statements under OGL? I want to know so I can use examples as a lever > to persuade East Riding of Yorkshire and Hull City councils to > release *anything* as open data.  > The

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On 21/12/16 11:10, Dave F wrote: It is also unlikely that anyone providing physical access to the map will know the copyright status. Could you expand on your claims please. Whilst it appears that more than I thought publish online, even if the jury is out on licensing, those that don't

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

I believe that link to be unsupported by contradicting evidence. Chris Hill (User chillly) > On 21 Dec 2016, at 11:15, Dave F wrote: > > Hi > I'm a bit confused. Both Chris & David W. appear to have missed the link to > http://www.rowmaps.com/

[Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Hi everyone, As you probably know, local authorities must keep available an up-to-date copy of rights of way for inspection. Can this information then be incorporated into OSM, having been witnessed, or is it a case of public but copyrighted? I'm currently nursing a complaint about a rural right

Re: [Talk-GB] 3rd Midlands OSM New Year Meetup

I'll do my best to get along. These paths have not only been well surveyed over past 7 years, but they are short. I can probably describe each of these routes across the railway to a very fine level of detail. For instance there is a fine hedge of Holly along the east side of the path north of

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

http://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/EY/ contains the following text: "The council of East Riding of Yorkshire have provided me with an ESRI shape file [1] that contains the details of their public rights of way. The ESRI shape file seems to have been created on 27th February 2014. The Council also

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

When I asked the council they said they had no record of releasing the data under any licence. The data is published on a copyright map on the ERoY web site and the council always pointed me to that. The data is available to be extracted from that site, but obviously I can’t use that as it is

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Owen, I’ve seen that before, but it is at odds with my experience. I have asked ERoY council to release their Rights of Way data under OGL repeatedly. I have asked by email, through their customer services web page, by twitter, by letter, by telephone, by asking my local councillors to help and

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Thanks to all who linked to the specific ERoY page. I had already read it, which is why I asked Chris H which license he believed was used. In this case it doesn't appear clear cut, which is disappointing. DaveF On 21/12/2016 11:50, Andy Townsend wrote: On 21/12/2016 11:32, Dave F wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Yeah, sorry about that ;-) All: Are we greed that if it's *definitely* been issued under OGL, a local authority's data can be used within OSM? And by 'used' I don't necessarily mean copied directly. I'm overlaying my LA's PROW data to see what's missing so I can walk & survey it detail.

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On 21/12/16 12:25, Dave F wrote: All: Are we greed that if it's *definitely* been issued under OGL, a local authority's data can be used within OSM? See An OGL may require specific attribution, in which case that

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes for places removed from FHRS?

Technically these are still FHRS identifiers as old identifiers are not reused. Obviously in the case where a new business in the same premises gets an FHRS identifier then that should take precedence. We have quite a few in Nottingham, older ones are shunted into old_fhrs:id (pretty much our

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

Let me know when the Council takes action against rowmaps. Until then it's just two conflicting accounts, neither of which is independently verifiable. Barry can speak for himself of course, but I can't see that he owes you an explanation. Owen @owenboswarva On 21 December 2016 at 11:53, Chris

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

A few quick notes, some of this has been said before: - The license issue is complex, largely because there is no adequate audit trail of metadata associated with the data. As Phil says many definitive maps were compiled by parish councillors, but this would have been in the 1940s

[Talk-GB] Notes for places removed from FHRS?

Richmond has updated its FHRS records and two entries that previously appeared in the list are now reported as unresolved in the GregRS tool. Should I add notes that they are no longer in FHRS and should be checked in the ground or is adding notes from public quality assurance tools a bad

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On 21/12/16 11:32, Dave F wrote: Interesting. Under what license to you believe East Riding issued the data that ROWmaps is using? Assuming it was taken from: for which the copyright details are on

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes for places removed from FHRS?

I am more interested in the possibility that the business has closed. -- Andrew From: SK53 Sent: 21 December 2016 13:17:48 To: Andrew Hain Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Notes for places removed from FHRS? Technically

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

On 21/12/2016 11:32, Dave F wrote: Interesting. Under what license to you believe East Riding issued the data that ROWmaps is using? The actual page at the rowmaps site is: http://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/EY/ It seems to say (and I'm paraphrasing) "ERYC say it's Crown Copyright, but the OS

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

A PROW is "theoretical" in the sense that it may not follow the exact same course on the ground. But the fact that a hedge or whatever is blocking a PROW does not create a legal diversion of the PROW - you are not automatically entitled to leave the PROW in order to continue your walk. So the line

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes for places removed from FHRS?

I really don't have to justify how we in Nottingham have chosen to tag things, or what we map. This has evolved as a local consensus and works fine for us. However, we have found retaining older information invaluable for numerous purposes related to maintaining up-to-date data within OSM. In

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes for places removed from FHRS?

Hi Andrew I wouldn't use FHRS:ID as the be all & end all. It doesn't mean they've closed down. On the ground verification is required. Depending on a local authority's preferences, existing companies changing a name, or a manager can trigger a new ID. Schools becoming academies in my area