Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-09-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag military=bunker is used not only for true bunkers, but for "any kind of military installation built to withstand an attack." - quote from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:military%3Dbunker - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:10 PM Bill Ricker wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug

[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap U.S.: Connect 2020 -- registration and call for proposals

2020-09-01 Thread Minh Nguyen
Please join the rest of the OpenStreetMap U.S. community for Connect 2020 -- a free*, virtual event sharing cool ideas and celebrating our community from October 29 to 31. Registration is open: https://www.openstreetmap.us/connect2020/ This isn't quite a State of the Map U.S. We're trying

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest boundary to render on standard map

2020-09-01 Thread stevea
On Sep 1, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > 'Private' vs 'public' hits near the mark, but not in the gold. I was trying > to be precise when I said that the property line determines the protected > status and the public access constraints. A public-access nature reserve > operated by an

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest boundary to render on standard map

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:14 PM stevea wrote: > Here I weigh-in with what I believe to be a crucial distinction between > "cadastral data which are privately owned" and "data which can be > characterized as cadastral, but which are publicly owned and are often used > for recreation, hiking and

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-09-01 Thread Bill Ricker
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:42 PM Russell Nelson wrote: > On 9/1/20 3:08 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > Tourist Safety is dubiously best as most of the handrails and safety > > lines are gone > s/dubiously best/dubious at best/ ? > Russ is correct on the missing word ! Might be Auto-Carrot, i was

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-09-01 Thread Russell Nelson
On 9/1/20 3:08 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: Tourist Safety is dubiously best as most of the handrails and safety lines are gone s/dubiously best/dubious at best/ ? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest boundary to render on standard map

2020-09-01 Thread stevea
Here I weigh-in with what I believe to be a crucial distinction between "cadastral data which are privately owned" and "data which can be characterized as cadastral, but which are publicly owned and are often used for recreation, hiking and similar human activities." Joseph, many others in

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-09-01 Thread Bill Ricker
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 19:55 stevea wrote: > . And if it was historically a bunker, OSM should strive to tag this, I'm > not exactly sure of the right mix of military=bunker and historic=yes > flavors that might be absolutely correct, but something like those if not > exactly those. Though

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-09-01 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 06:17 2020-09-01, Matthew Woehlke đã viết: On a related note: I use service=driveway (for lack of anything better) for access ways to parking lots that don't have parking spaces (hence, not service=parking_aisle). These are likely *not* public right-of-ways (the lots themselves are

[Talk-us] New Hampshire Perambulations

2020-09-01 Thread Russell Nelson
New Hampshire has a law requiring the town council of every town to hike the perimeter of the town once every seven years. They can appoint an agent to do it. I did one of these hikes, between Henniker and Weare. There are markers along the way, which we re-painted, or otherwise renewed.

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 9:03 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 01.09.20 14:40, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > We don't map cadastre at least partly out of respect for personal > > privacy - something that is not at issue with government-owned land. > > I think I'm with Joseph here, we don't map cadastre stuff

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Bradley White
>Protect area and National Park boundaries were supposed to be less difficult >to confirm and more valid. The NF administrative boundaries are basically impossible to verify on-the-ground if that's the standard we are setting to demonstrate verifiability. Typically, the only indication are the

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-09-01 Thread Brian Stromberg
OSM comprises data but data are produced and interpreted by fallible humans. I would argue that OSM doesn't "simply say" anything, because the act of defining tags is a subjective process negotiated between individuals with different ideas about, for example, what a "viewpoint" is. It's not a

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-09-01 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 31/08/2020 15.56, Kevin Broderick wrote: First, I'd like to point out that this discussion started off with the question of removing "access=private" from Amazon-logistics-mapped driveways. I still maintain that the mechanical edit would be a good thing, because the tagging as added is based

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:52 AM Bradley White wrote: > If you drive into a checkerboard >> area of private/public land, there are no Forest Service signs at the >> limits of private land. >> > > In my neck of the woods, USFS owned land is signed fairly frequently with > small yellow property

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01.09.20 14:40, Kevin Kenny wrote: > We don't map cadastre at least partly out of respect for personal > privacy - something that is not at issue with government-owned land. I think I'm with Joseph here, we don't map cadastre stuff also because it makes no sense for us to become a copy

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:18 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The OpenStreetMap community has long agreed that mapping cadastral parcels > (land ownership) is not in scope. Protect area and National Park boundaries > were supposed to be less difficult to confirm and more valid. > > But if what we are

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The OpenStreetMap community has long agreed that mapping cadastral parcels (land ownership) is not in scope. Protect area and National Park boundaries were supposed to be less difficult to confirm and more valid. But if what we are going to start mapping in the USA is simply the federal ownership

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-09-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
31 Aug 2020, 05:38 by stevea...@softworkers.com: > On Aug 30, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Brian Stromberg > wrote: > >> I would argue that maps can only show the world as the mapmaker wants it to >> be shown, and OSM should probably not be encouraging people (in any way) to >> be visiting sites that