RE: [TruthTalk] The One True Church.....?

2004-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
What did I miss here? Who is JJ? Terry, you are preaching to the choir as far as Im concerned re: the RCC. Funny hats and all. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 6:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] The One True Church

2004-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
What symbol does the KKK burn on the lawn of a Bahai? A question (?) mark. Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 04, 2004 17:14 Subject: [TruthTalk] The One True Church Terry - have a question for you. He didn't

Re: [TruthTalk] Tough being a Christian

2004-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave wrote: Terry Clifton wrote: Just thinking out loud Dave, it is my opinion that we went through the protesting thing a few hundred years ago. Most of us were not around then, so we did not participate. Some of us are heirs of the protestants. A lot of us were not

Re: [TruthTalk] DAVEH: Welcome back - The Last Days

2004-04-05 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH wote: If you do not believe the restitution of all things has anything to so with the LDS but you do believe it applies to something/someone elsethen to whom do you believe restitution of all things has to do? DaveH cited: Mal 4: 5-6 Mt 17:10-13 Acts

Re: [TruthTalk] Passion of the Christ R Rating Article is by Tim Stevenson

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/4/2004 10:42:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wanted to find out who wrote the clever article about the R rating of the Passion. I found this source over the Internet and Tim Stevenson claims authorship. Congrats, Tim. Very good. Izzy originaly

Re: [TruthTalk] The One True Church.....?

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/4/2004 11:42:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What did I miss here? Nothing. All was peace and love. John

[TruthTalk] Suffer the little children.

2004-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Just had to pass this one on. Terry Subject: Windshield Message from a child One rainy afternoon I was driving along one of the main streets of town, taking those extra precautions necessary when the roads are wet and slick. Suddenly, my daughter, Aspen, spoke up from her relaxed position in

[TruthTalk] Re:CHANGE YOUR ADDRESS BOOKS---JED MOVES TO COLUMBIA, MO

2004-04-05 Thread ELSMANLAW
GENTS, IT WAS VERY SAD TO RECEIVE JED SMOCK'S NEWSLETTER THAT HE WAS FINALLY MOVED TO COLUMBIA, MO, GIVING HIS NEW ADDRESS PHONE. IT IS FINAL. JED DID SOME GREAT WORK IN NEWARK, OH, AND WE WILL ALL REMEMBER THE GOODS AND BADS OF HIS CONFERENCES. JESUS' BLESSINGS TO HIM AND HIS OUTSTANDING

RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: 1. I desire from you an acknowledgment that there is no Greek scholar, not Mounce or anyone else, who has translated 1 John 1:8 and Romans 3:23 as you have. Can you agree with me on this point? John S. wrote: Sure. While you are at it, take my clothes and shoes as

RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: As an interloper I'm with John. This is a syntax vs semantics discussion. I think there is more to talk about here than you realize right now. Please be patient. Maybe we can work it out. Lance wrote: Whatever you choose to call it, name it, theologize concerning it-I sin,

RE: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: Doesn't the idea of perfection necessitate arrival? No, the Bible uses the word perfect in two different ways. Consider the following passage where the two ways are just three verses apart. Phi 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Phi 3:12

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Just exactly what, David, is sin.? Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 05, 2004 15:28 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil? Bill Taylor wrote: Doesn't the idea of perfection necessitate arrival? No, the Bible

[TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: You don't really expect to be functionally perfect on this side of death, do you? Yes, I do. The law expects perfection. Deut. 18:13 says, Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. (Deut. 18:13 KJV) Jesus said he came to fulfill the law. Think not that I am come to

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
David: If you think you don't I'd question either your veracity or your sanity. Like I said it's a question of semantics not syntax. Lance- Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 05, 2004 15:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Greek shmeek! Do you have a spouse, friend, mirror? Just ask look? Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 05, 2004 15:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness David Miller wrote: 1. I desire from you an acknowledgment

[TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the past. :-)

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: Nelta on this other list is former Campbellite (is that CofC) daughter of a pastor and she does not believe in formalized Church, she is writing a book about it... I'll see that she gets this definition. Hey, Gary, do you remember Nelta? TruthTalk was started partly because

[TruthTalk] The One True Church.....? Response for Terry

2004-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Jensen, John T [EMAIL PROTECTED] WDIT? I suggest you pass on to Terry that he seems eager to learn, and I wish him luck. He faces an uphill battle trying to get past all that stuff he believes, but others have rejoiced to find the fulness of Christ in the (Roman) Catholic Church, and he

[TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the past. :-)

2004-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
What a small world .. I'll tell her. Right now Nelta has a bunch of lists herself. 1st Century I know of Don't know the names of the others but there are about five of them. I can't imagine why she wouldn't be glad to have you, Gary and Glenn She must have been having a bad day. It is an unusual

[TruthTalk] Protestants

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
DAVEH: I appreciate you perspective, Terry, but after reading it I couldn't believe that my understanding of the definition of Protestant could be that far off, even allowing for my LDS bias. I checked with a plain old dictionary and this is what it says.. PROTESTANT: 1) any

RE: [TruthTalk] Christian perfection

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: You asked if I was familiar with John Wesley's Christian perfection. Yes, I am; however, I've never seen it presented in positive light, always through Reformed shades, which probably blurred my vision. Will you please explain your understanding of this term, Christian

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-05 Thread ttxpress
John, what do you disagree with? G PS. When you read that DaveHis yawning again, it means that he and Izzy and her catare close to communing...s:) On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 06:10:50 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G writes: [DaveH wrote another:] subtle justification for liars lying

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 5:07:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [DaveH wrote another:] subtle justification for liars lying based ..you really don't give a flip about any who disagree with you Currently, there is some discussion regarding ad-hominen attacks. Much more

RE: [TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the past. :-)

2004-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wow, the Lord works in very weird ways. :-) What year did you start TruthTalk, David? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-05 Thread ttxpress
Please takeup your ground rule issueswith the moderator, John; the Latin, ad hominem is not a solid part of your TT vocab yet; besides, it has nothin' to do with the topic/question raised: 'What do you disagree with?' If the moderator wants to warn me about an ad hominem in this thread,

Re: [TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the past. :-)

2004-04-05 Thread ttxpress
Yep--jt's comments, below,read as a a radicalunderstatement, don't they, DavidM? G On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:29:15 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:|| Judy wrote: Nelta on this other list is former Campbellite (is that CofC) daughter of a pastor and she does not believe in

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-05 Thread Dave
ROTFLOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. When you read that DaveHis yawning again, it means that he and Izzy and her catare close to communing...s:) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I

RE: [TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the past. :-)

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: What year did you start TruthTalk, David? I think it must have been around 1999 that we first setup a list called TruthTalk, but it was on my business domain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Soon after I setup a domain at www.InnGlory.org, which was May of 2000. So officially, this version of

RE: [TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the past. :-)

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: jt's comments, below, read as a radical understatement, don't they, DavidM? :-) I have often observed that the issues people harp on the loudest are issues with which they struggle. For example, those hardest on the institutions of religion often struggle the most with being too

[TruthTalk] Women believers testify of torture at UN

2004-04-05 Thread David Miller
I'm sharing the following news alert with you all so that we might remember the Christians in China. You can learn more about the church in China at http://www.persecutedchurch.com. I know the man who operates this website personally. He brings money to help families there whose relatives have

[TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
The Bible says,Resist the devel and he will flee from you. Just wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him? Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)

Re: [TruthTalk] Protestants

2004-04-05 Thread Dave
David Miller wrote: DAVEH: I appreciate you perspective, Terry, but after reading it I couldn't believe that my understanding of the definition of Protestant could be that far off, even allowing for my LDS bias. I checked with a plain old dictionary and this is what it

[TruthTalk] Texas Women]/gotta love those Texas women

2004-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Gary, you three must have violated the ban... :) From: Nelta [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Came to me today) Don't mess with Texas women! Three men were sitting together bragging about how they had set their new wives straight on their duties. The first man had married a woman from Pennsylvania. And

Re: [TruthTalk] Protestants

2004-04-05 Thread ttxpress
you (two) do theology out of a dictionary; from philosophy; by opinion--what's wrong with using the NT? On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:01:03 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..[DavidM] (and some others) consider us Protestants... || [think about the term] non-LDS Christians.. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Texas Women]/gotta love those Texas women

2004-04-05 Thread ttxpress
true, jt. none of us are Texans:) On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:29:07 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary, you three must have violated the ban... :)

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 8:05:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says,"Resist the devel and he will flee from you". Just wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him? Terry It happens. But I guess this means that when I sin, it is my

Re: [TruthTalk] Protestants

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 8:06:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Restoration I fully believe that JoeS got much from Stone/Campbell. Restoration Movement, Church of Christ, Elders, Deacon, water baptism, Lords supper every Sunday (right? every Sunday?), coming out of

Re: [TruthTalk] Protestants

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
Dave Miller and DaveH I will be continuing our separate discussion in do time. This week, I actually have to work -- hanging cabinets and correcting one really big mess (pick-up work). Just a day or for my response, but I have not forgotten. John

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:18:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says,"Resist the devel and he will flee from you". Just wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him? Terry Actually another thought came to my little pea brain. I do not

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

2004-04-05 Thread Wm. Taylor
David M writes I have often observed that the issues people harp on the loudest are issues with which they struggle. For example, ... People who harp about Eternal Security are often those the least secure in their own salvation. Those who harp on being saved by grace are often those least

Re: [TruthTalk] Protestants

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:33:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in do time due time J

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:38:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am God's workmanship created IN Christ Jesus for good works, which I do because I know what it means to be loved by God. Anyone who has come to his spiritual senses and moved away from performance-based

Re: [TruthTalk] Tough being a Christian

2004-04-05 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2004 5:39:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, Terry, would it not seem like you (and most other TTers) would qualify as a Protestant under the first definition, and the 3rd definition of Protestantism?

Re: [TruthTalk] Protestants

2004-04-05 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you (two) do theology out of a dictionary; from philosophy; by opinion--what's wrong with using the NT? DAVEH: OK g...I'd like to hear how you understand the NT defines PROTESTANT. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:01:03 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Nelta, a name from the past. :-)

2004-04-05 Thread Dave
DAVEH: AndHow many subscribers do we have now? David Miller wrote: Izzy wrote: What year did you start TruthTalk, David? I think it must have been around 1999 that we first setup a list called TruthTalk, but it was on my business domain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-05 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2004 5:07:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [DaveH wrote another:] subtle justification for liars lying based ..you really don't give a flip about any who disagree with you Currently, there