[USMA:17262] Italian minister quits in euro row

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
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[USMA:17264] Money and metric

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 With the passing of the national currencies and their replacement by the Euro, it made me wonder as to how many of the names for the national currencies are derived from ancient units of measure. Names like Drachma, Lira, Peseta (Peso), Mark, Markka, Punt, and even the British

[USMA:17265] Re: Italian minister quits in euro row

2002-01-06 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 9:52 -0500 02/01/6, kilopascal wrote: Prior to his decision to resign, Mr Ruggiero had warned that Italy's traditional commitment to the EU was at risk. Sure, since Berlusconi's arrival, Italy is dragging her feet in the European integration march. But Berlusconi is not Italy. Italians

[USMA:17266] RE: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 I knew the binary symbols used capitals for the first letter, but I also thought they were spelled out with capitals too. I stand corrected. I know the I is always lower case. The MI for mibi, instead of Mi had to do with me not releasing the shift key fast enough and not checking

[USMA:17267] Re: Italian minister quits in euro row

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 I have a feeling, that in the wake of the recent conference at Laeken, that those whose heart is not fully in Europe will meet the same fate as Ruggiero. Italy was against the Europe wide police arrest warrant at first, but gave in at the last moment. I feel that it won't be long

[USMA:17268] RE: Golden Dollar Experiment

2002-01-06 Thread Duncan Bath
Why not try Bean-o? D. -Original Message- From: kilopascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 5, 2002 23:28 Subject: [USMA:17250] RE: Golden Dollar Experiment 2002-01-05 Oh No! Not a third brain fart. That makes 3 in one day. Bill, one

[USMA:17269] Re: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread Duncan Bath
I believe the angstrom equates to 10^-10 m not 10^-9 m. Duncan -Original Message-From: kilopascal [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: January 6, 2002 00:54Subject: [USMA:17252] Binary Prefixes 2002-01-06 Dear Mr. Ross, In reading down

[USMA:17270] Re: Fwd: Re: Duodecimal System

2002-01-06 Thread James R. Frysinger
Ah, you young rascals! If people had 10-position relays half a century ago, perhaps the digital computing crowd would have done that. There was a time that digital and analog computers existed side by side and were actually in competition. I've programmed and operated analog computers and one

[USMA:17271] What do you think of the euro?

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 I think all of you should go here and read the comments about the Euro. The pro-Euro comments out number the anti-Euro by a large margin. Here is one of my favourites: Someone asked where the idea for a United States of Europe came from. It came from a certain Winston

[USMA:17272] RE: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread James R. Frysinger
kilopascal wrote: 2002-01-06 . The MI for mibi, instead of Mi had to do with me not releasing the shift key fast enough and not checking the spelling manually. I've done similar things many times myself. The ångstrom (alt-134 for the å) may not be deprecated, but

[USMA:17273] Base 100 system

2002-01-06 Thread M R
There are many websites explaining the advantages of different number system like base-8 (octal using digits from 0-7) base-12 (duodecimal using digits from 0-9,A,B,10) base-16 (hexadecimal using digits from 0-9,A-F). The proponents claim that the entire World should switch over to their system.

[USMA:17276] Re: The number twelve and the universe!!

2002-01-06 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Ma Be (Marcus Berger) wrote in USMA 17255 On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:11:36 Adam Baranski wrote: From: Adrian Jadic [EMAIL PROTECTED] It took man a lot of time to develop mathematics well beyond counting eggs and fruits in the market to realize that the 12 base system is limited and that the 10-base

[USMA:17275] Re: time of receipt

2002-01-06 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Bill Hooper wrote in USMA 17245: What's the big deal about the time when messages are sent and received? Does anyone out there really think that it is supposed to be instantaneous? There are delays at every server the message has to go through. In the extreme case, when a receiving server is

[USMA:17277] Re: Duodecimal System

2002-01-06 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Ma Be (Marcus Berger) wrote in USMA 17256 On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:02:52 M R wrote: ... The guy who maintains this website should be anti-metric. If you go little above in the webpage, he argues that computers have defied metric system. Madan ... Actually the above is a cheap excuse.

[USMA:17278] Correction on USMA 17240 The number twelve...

2002-01-06 Thread Han Maenen
'It is simply too late to change the base of our numbers, but a duodecimal SI would be perfectly possible, I think.' Should have been: 'if we adopted base 12 nevertheless a duodecimal SI would have been perfectly possible, I think,' Han

[USMA:17280] Re: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 It does. I'm not saying the ångstrom is equal to the nanometre, but that the nanometre should be used instead of the ångstrom. Thus, 5000 Å should be changed to 500 nm. John - Original Message - From: Duncan Bath To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; U.S. Metric

[USMA:17281] Re: Base 100 system

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 I think this is a plot by anti-metric luddites to rid the world of SI. The only way they can is to replace the number base from 10 to something else. Let them live in their fantasy world. John - Original Message - From: M R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association

[USMA:17282] RE: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread Joseph B. Reid
James Freysinger wrote in USMA 17261: The angstrom (my apologies for not taking the time to insert the proper diacrits) is not deprecated; rather, its use is not encouraged. The angstrom stands higher in the brochure than the cgs units, for some reason. Jim I suspect that the angstrom is not

[USMA:17283] Re: The number twelve and the universe!!

2002-01-06 Thread Stephen Davis
I was referring to Daniel Bishops post, Bill, Not Adam's!! Regards, Steve. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bill Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: [USMA:17212] Re: The number twelve and

[USMA:17285] Re: Duodecimal System

2002-01-06 Thread Ma Be
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:48:01 Bill Potts wrote: It seems to me we've been over this ground before. Perhaps you could explain how 20 bits would not be binary. ... ??? Where did you get that from, Bill? Did I say anything to that effect??? Please reread my post. I made no argument

[USMA:17286] Fw: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 A response! John - Original Message - From: Kelley L. Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kilopascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 2002-01-06 15:00 Subject: Re: Binary Prefixes Dear John, Adapting metric prefixes to binary numbers has been a matter of usage, which is all

[USMA:17287] Re: Duodecimal System

2002-01-06 Thread Ma Be
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:37:38 M R wrote: Marcus wrote ... Even if they build a computer of 10 bits, it will have 1024 characters (2^10) and not 1,000 characters. Of course, Madan, I'm aware of that! The reason for base 2 is the LED (Light emitting diode) glows. 0 when light is off 1 when

[USMA:17288] Re: The number twelve and the universe!!

2002-01-06 Thread Bill Potts
I know you were, Steve. That was abundantly clear. I didn't suggest otherwise. However, I did suggest, in that context, that you read Adam's post too. As I said, his post (in the same thread and on the same topic) addressed the point you apparently missed. I gave its message number so you could

[USMA:17289] Re: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 Thank You for your response! Further info on the new binary prefixes: The Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers has prepared a proposed standard (P1541) that parallels the IEC standard. Rather than binary prefixes, we are using the phrase prefixes for binary multiples.

[USMA:17290] Re: Italian minister quits in euro row

2002-01-06 Thread Leonardo Boselli
I CONFIRM: BERLUSCONI IS NOT ITALY. \He is an entrepreneur that have most of his activities in Italy, so it is not concerned about Europe, except that prom europe he found more opposition than in italy. \Usually in Italy foreign affairs ministers heve always had a bipartisan approach. Berlusconi

[USMA:17292] Re: The number twelve and the universe!!

2002-01-06 Thread Duncan Bath
-Original Message- From: Ma Be [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 6, 2002 16:01 Subject: [USMA:17284] Re: The number twelve and the universe!! On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:33:48 Bill Potts wrote: You've lost me there, Marcus. A base-20 system in

[USMA:17294] Re: Duodecimal System

2002-01-06 Thread Bill Potts
Marcus: I'm sorry, but you are still missing the point. (By the way, the II in ASCII (written without a space) isn't a Roman numeral. It stands for Information Interchange. There was no ASC I and there will never be an ASC III. The current 8-bit version of ASCII is simply a subset of the

[USMA:17293] Re: Duodecimal System

2002-01-06 Thread Ma Be
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:09:45 Joseph B. Reid wrote: ... I suspect that Marcus confuses digit length and word length. A decimal digit requires 4 binary digits or bits. Word length can be anything from 8 bits in the IBM 1408 and 1410 up to 64 bits in the last Control Data computer. The Control

[USMA:17295] Re: Driver's licences in Canada

2002-01-06 Thread CarletonM
In a message dated 2002-01-05 17:03:52 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let Saskatchewan Government Insurance give the name of the standards body and the number of the 'industry standard' that decrees that the foot and the inch should be used in drivers licences and car

[USMA:17296] SI orthodoxy?...

2002-01-06 Thread Ma Be
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:08:09 kilopascal wrote: ... - Original Message - From: Kelley L. Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kilopascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 2002-01-06 15:00 Subject: Re: Binary Prefixes ...The one-size-fits-all metric system has its advantages mathematically, but

[USMA:17297] Re: Jet fuel:why mass

2002-01-06 Thread Gene Mechtly
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, M R wrote: Fuel for automobiles and locomotives are quoted in volume (liters and gallons), how come the aeroplanes are using mass (tons)... Overloading of an aircraft (too much mass, and therefore also too much weight) can lead to crashes on takeoff. Ruptured tires and

[USMA:17298] Re: Duodecimal System

2002-01-06 Thread Ma Be
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:44:39 Bill Potts wrote: Marcus: I'm sorry, but you are still missing the point. I'm afraid not! I guess it's you who continue to miss the point I was trying to make! (By the way, the II in ASCII (written without a space) isn't a Roman numeral. It stands for

[USMA:17300] Re: Golden Dollar Experiment

2002-01-06 Thread CarletonM
In a message dated 2002-01-05 17:20:44 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today, I obtained several US Golden Dollar coins from a post office vending machine. Today and tomorrow I will try using them and see what type of reactions I get. My first test was at an Eckerd drugstore in

[USMA:17303] Re: SI orthodoxy?...

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 Hee Hee Hee Haw Haw Haw!!! I'm sorry, but I can't control my laughter. Kelley is not a lady. He is a man. But, then again we don't know what he does in private. You can write him, his e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really don't want to bother with him anymore. He is a

[USMA:17304] Re: Oops... I goofed

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 As long as the number in an SI unit is correct, who cares if the non-SI unit is right or wrong. John - Original Message - From: Ma Be [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 2002-01-06 17:55 Subject: [USMA:17299] Oops... I goofed On

[USMA:17305] Re: Italian minister quits in euro row

2002-01-06 Thread Duncan Bath
Whether we like it or not, 'acres' etc. are a part of many people's heritage(s). Duncan -Original Message- From: Ma Be [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 6, 2002 16:41 Subject: [USMA:17291] Re: Italian minister quits in euro row On Sun, 6 Jan

[USMA:17306] Re: The number twelve and the universe!!

2002-01-06 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Stephen Davis wrote me on 2002-01-06: The argument, from my point of view, anyhow, was not about bases but how much easier numbers divide by 10!! Have you tried to divide 1,2 and 3 by 7 and 11?? Regards, Steve. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joseph B. Reid [EMAIL

[USMA:17307] Re: Binary Prefixes

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 Kelley, What units of custom are more appropriate then an SI unit. SI was devised to create a harmonised and coherent system of units that can be used for all instances of measuring in the most simplest of form. 'Units of custom appeared over time in a haphazard manner, in many

[USMA:17309] I wouldn't put my money on the euro

2002-01-06 Thread kilopascal
2002-01-06 MONDAY JANUARY 07 2002 I wouldn't put my money on the euro WILLIAM REES-MOGG Gus O’Donnell, the Treasury official responsible for the assessment of the euro, almost certainly did say that it can “never be

[USMA:17310] Re: Italian minister quits in euro row

2002-01-06 Thread CarletonM
In a message dated 2002-01-06 20:56:35 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether we like it or not, 'acres' etc. are a part of many people's heritage(s). Duncan Except that most people have no idea how big one is. cm