[USMA:18006] typographic units

2002-02-07 Thread Louis JOURDAN
This is the message I just sent to the ATypI (Association Typographique Internationale) and The Society of Typographic Aficianados (SoTA) At 9:31 +0100 02/02/7, Louis JOURDAN wrote: Sirs, I am completing a research study on the development of the metric system, now called SI (Système

[USMA:18007] Re: Query about measurement!!

2002-02-07 Thread Han Maenen
I would not propose a decimal series of paper formats as there is none and it would be impractical in this specific case. It is a fact that A paper sizes divide by progressive halving. I support the Q and A sizes. As for the Q: there is no proposal for any other non-decimal subdivion at all.

[USMA:18008] Re: +AFs-USMA:18001+AF0- KISS

2002-02-07 Thread James R. Frysinger
kilopascal wrote: 2002-02-06 I wasn't suggesting an upgrade to a newer and fancier computer. Many older computers are upgradable simply by installing bigger hard drives and more memory Even if someone won't upgrade, there are still other alternatives. Such as getting a FREE Yahoo

[USMA:18009] Re: Symbol for the micro

2002-02-07 Thread Ma Be
Hmm... Let's see if this will work: 0571 This looked fine by me in my home computer. I'd have to try it on the road (work, etc) though. Thanks, Jim. Let's hear from the gang and wait to see if ALL got the above ok. In the meantime, would you be so kind as to refer me to where I could

[USMA:18010] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Kilopascal wrote in USMA 17999: When you cease using ancient software and get with the program and upgrade. You are the only one experiencing problems. The ball is now in your court. John - Original Message - From: Joseph B. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL

[USMA:18011] Q discussion

2002-02-07 Thread Ma Be
My dearest friend, Han, please see my comments below. On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:46:29 Han Maenen wrote: I would not propose a decimal series of paper formats as there is none and it would be impractical in this specific case. It is a fact that A paper sizes divide by progressive halving. You're

[USMA:18012] Re: Symbol for the micro

2002-02-07 Thread Ma Be
This is most bizarre!... :-S Your message came fine, Jim. And when I used your suggestion all symbols printed fine in my monitor, but upon sending it via angelfire's server it got bastardized to some unrecognizable 0, 5, 7 and 1! :-S I wonder if this would also happen with another free

[USMA:18013] Re: Q discussion

2002-02-07 Thread Ma Be
Sorry, guys, that I surmised that Jim's approach to symbols would have worked. I was expecting that the micrometer would print fine, but it came as '5m' instead. Oh, well... Alright... I'll compromise here and accept to use 'um' from now on instead, so as to please most here...

[USMA:18014] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread han . maenen
I did get John's message USMA 17963 with all these attachments. If I delete a message, the attachments go down the drain with it. I also have a program with which I can list all unused and trashy files and delete them with a click of the mouse. It should be possible with an Apple computer.

[USMA:18015] metric for IP products

2002-02-07 Thread RobertHB
2002 February 7 I just received this note from R. Schulte, President of ASTM. At one time I was employed in the gas utility industry. I related to you the difficulties that this one business sector, the natural gas and propane distribution industry, faces in moving to the

[USMA:18016] Re: Symbol for the micro

2002-02-07 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 7:19 -0800 02/02/7, Ma Be wrote: Hmm... Let's see if this will work: 0571 Did you really mean that ? Since I'm at it. Would you know of any means I could print the elusive a~ (a with the tilde *on top of it*). I can't find any easy way to print this anywhere... Thanks for any info you

[USMA:18017] Internet Access

2002-02-07 Thread Gene Mechtly
John wrote: ... I'm dying ... to hear what excuse will be given for not opening a FREE Yahoo account A free hard-wire connection at 10 megabits per second to a UNIX Server for Internet access, and a free account on the Server with many gigabytes of memory. But please don't die on my

[USMA:18018] Re: typographic units

2002-02-07 Thread Mordrel Trystan
In France, we now use SI units. This revolution was brought by the americans desktop publishing software who gives the user the choice of units (Pica, Cicero, inches, etc.). Twenty years ago, the use the Cidero point was universal in France. It's no more the case. We still have a few problems

[USMA:18019] Re: Well, KSL (Channel 5) is now in SI also, but...

2002-02-07 Thread Gene Mechtly
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Nikolay O. Malyarov wrote: ... As I watched KSL (Channel 5), I noticed that they added °C to the high temperatures for today for various venues around the Games, and didn't even refer to the °F at all. That part is great, Nikolay. Please call Channel 5 and express your

[USMA:18020] NCTM WebNews Update (February 2002) (fwd)

2002-02-07 Thread Gene Mechtly
Here (a selection from several announcements) is an opportunity to push more SI into K-12 education. What should we do? Gene. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:13:40 -0500 From: webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NCTM WebNews Update

[USMA:18021] Deletions

2002-02-07 Thread Gene Mechtly
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Joseph B. Reid asked: ... Would modern software enable me to scrub unwanteed attachments more rapidly? Joe, I delete almost all attachments, *and* e-mail (after scanning) in less than a second by working directly on my UNIX Server by, some would say, antiquated software

[USMA:18022] Re: Symbol for the micro

2002-02-07 Thread James R. Frysinger
My guess for producing a tilde on a PC would be Alt-0227. That's based on the extended ASCII table. Jim Louis JOURDAN wrote: At 7:19 -0800 02/02/7, Ma Be wrote: Hmm... Let's see if this will work: 0571 Did you really mean that ? Since I'm at it. Would you know of any means I could

[USMA:18023] Gimli Glider

2002-02-07 Thread Joseph B. Reid
Kilopascal wrote in USMA 18003 What is meant by the statement below: the brand new, all metric 767 was.? Is this meant to tell us that the Boeing 767 is a true metric plane? Was it designed in metric? Does it contain metric parts, such as metric fasteners? John The flight crew

[USMA:18024] Low Tech SI

2002-02-07 Thread James R. Frysinger
My page on Low Tech SI, suitable for use in email, has been updated and is available at http://www.cofc.edu/~frysingj/lowtech.htm Jim -- Metric Methods(SM) Don't be late to metricate! James R. Frysinger, CAMS http://www.metricmethods.com/ 10 Captiva Row e-mail:

[USMA:18025] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads arein kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 19:59 +0100 02/02/7, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did get John's message USMA 17963 with all these attachments. If I delete a message, the attachments go down the drain with it. I also have a program with which I can list all unused and trashy files and delete them with a click of the mouse. It

[USMA:18026] Re: Metric in american Industry

2002-02-07 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear John and All, on 2002/02/06 10.47, kilopascal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2002-02-05 There are still some jobs in the auto plants where a person must do some measuring. I doubt all the auto jobs have been replaced by robots. Machinists still have to do some set-up which requires

[USMA:18028] Re: Symbol for the micro -- starting to drift off topic

2002-02-07 Thread Bill Potts
On my PC (which is configured for U.S. International), all I have to do is enter a tilde (~) then an a: ã. If I enter anything other than a, A, o, O, n or N after the tilde, I get the tilde followed by the other character. If I want an isolated tilde, I enter it and then press the space bar. If

[USMA:18027] Re: Announcement from USMA

2002-02-07 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Jim, Congratulations on this award; clearly you richly deserved it. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Geelong, Australia on 2002/02/07 05.29, Hillger, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations to Jim Frysinger from USMA! IEEE President, Raymond D. Findlay, has announced the

[USMA:18029] KSL-TV Salt Lake's ABC affiliate of Atlanta's WSB-TV

2002-02-07 Thread Norman Werling
I was just watching the news on WSB when the Atlanta weathercaster was chatting with the Atlanta newscaster on site in Salt Lake. Our weatherman said It must be about 35° or 36° there, right? The reply from Salt Lake was, yes, it is about 1° or 2°Celsius Can it be that Salt Lake is actually

[USMA:18030] Special Characters, web page on

2002-02-07 Thread James R. Frysinger
Marcus and other interested list members, By golly, I found that link to Bob Baumel's web page on Using Special Characters on Web Pages: Cross-Platform Considerations by Bob Baumel. His page is at http://home.earthlink.net/~bobbau/platforms/specialchars/ It turns out that I had it as a

[USMA:18031] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 Somehow your software (or someone else's) is breaking the attachments out into separate elements. Outlook Express does not do that. When I received back USMA 17963, which was a forwarding of the webpage on Puerto Rico, there were no attachments. However, when I received USMA 17964,

[USMA:18032] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread Brian J White
However, when I received USMA 17964, there were attachments. It is possible that Brian's software broke the webpage up into the attachments. Brian, if you are reading this, can you tell us what e-mail program you are using? You may need to upgrade too! I considered that, which is why I was

[USMA:18033] Re: Q discussion

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 Time to upgrade our software. Think of upgrading as switching from FFU to SI. For µ, I use the IBM code page of alt-230 or the Windows Character Map symbol of alt-0181 (µ). Both work. John - Original Message - From: Ma Be [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association

[USMA:18034] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 That depends Han. If the person is using FFS (Fred Flintstone Software), it may not have the capability. Using 21-st century AD software instead of BC would solve that problem. Also, opening a Yahoo account, would also work. With Yahoo, you don't need to download anything. You

[USMA:18036] Re: Internet Access

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 My comment was directed to those who aren't as fortunate to have what you have. In your case you don't need a Yahoo account. But, those at the other end of the spectrum would benefit. On the other hand, maybe you can host some of these poor peoples e-mail for them, for free of

[USMA:18037] Re: Gimli Glider

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 Which instruments gave metric readings? Were altitudes shown in metres and velocities in metres per second, or kilometres per hour? Is this plane still made today and is it still metric relative to what it was back in the days of the Gimli Glider? John The quotation put the

[USMA:18038] Re: Metric in american Industry

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 Thanks for the info. I know this is done this way in Australia, but I wanted to know if it is done this way in the US plants. Is an Engineering drawing converted to FFU for use on the shop floor? Does anyone know for sure? John - Original Message - From: Pat

[USMA:18039] Re: Q discussion

2002-02-07 Thread Bill Potts
I use Ctrl+Alt+m -- µ. U.S. International support, of course. It's easy to configure. Of all the special characters, the µ is the one that is definitely consistent across platforms (i.e., PC and Mac). Bill Potts, CMS Roseville, CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] -Original Message-

[USMA:18035] Re: metric for IP products

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 Interesting. Even if it isn't practical to change threads to SI, or manufacturing adapters when fitting an SI pipe to a FFU pipe, there is no reason the FFU diameter and thread pitch can not be expressed in millimetres. What you said about an industry going metric because its new

[USMA:18040] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-02-07 This could be a bug with Eudora, or it could be something is not set up properly. I think others who use Eudora don't have this problem of it turning an HTML page into attachments. You might want to contact the people who write the Eudora software and find out if that is normal, and

[USMA:18041] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread Stephen Davis
Are Yahoo paying you are something, John?? Regards, Steve. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kilopascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: [USMA:18034] Re: St

[USMA:18042] Re: St Lucia too! Re: Re: Peurto Rico Roads are in kilometres, speeds in miles per hour

2002-02-07 Thread kilopascal
2002-06-07 No, they are not. Some of us use it at work. We don't have a company internet server and use a local DSL service, with limited e-mail accounts. So, only a privileged few get the accounts on their PC's that come with the service. The rest of us can either use the main account set up

[USMA:18043] RE: Announcement from USMA

2002-02-07 Thread Nikolay O. Malyarov
Congrats, Jim! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hillger, Don Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2002 11.29 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:17986] Announcement from USMA Congratulations to Jim Frysinger from USMA! IEEE

[USMA:18044] Olympic update / 2002-02-07

2002-02-07 Thread Nikolay O. Malyarov
To all: I just wanted to address a couple of things in one email. 1. My wife said that Channel 4 this evening gave the snow depth of the expected snow storm (overnight and Friday morning) in cm as well (1 to 3 inches of snow. That's 2.5 to 7.5 cm). In fact, while typing this email, I saw the

[USMA:18045] Re: Announcement from USMA

2002-02-07 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 11:29 -0700 02/02/6, Hillger, Don wrote: Congratulations to Jim Frysinger from USMA! IEEE President, Raymond D. Findlay, has announced the elevation of James Frysinger to the grade of IEEE Senior Member. Dr. Findlay states Only 7% of our approximately 377,000 IEEE members hold