Actually it is *postlogical thinking *
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/03/modes-of-thinking-my-taxonomy.html
Galantini is a very local authorithy, and university professors are not
necessarily experts in steam. Rossi is against the idea of measuring the
ENTHALPY of steam,(as Jed also
Hello group,
Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info:
* * *
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=12#comment-46906
Dear C.Monti:
Thanks for your smart insight.
About the question: in these days we are making tests with zero energy
input, to try to make them safe.
Stimulating is good, negative stimulents as Steve's reaction
are better, it seems. (No more tests, who said it?)
We had the opportunity to observe that the E-cat has quite sharp verbal
claws, not always retracted.
Let's hope there will be energetically independent greater E-cats.
On Sat, Jun
At 12:07 AM 6/18/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
Say, you two, what do you mean by, Well, Rich, your underpants are
showing. ?
I asking, because I don't get it...
It means that your personal bias is visible, what's underneath your opinions.
I meant that I'm sure there's no excess heat in the
What took so long?
This is good-news/bad-news in a way. But it totally expected. In short, it
can be shown logically that multiple units of any thermally triggered,
overunity device MUST be amenable to operation with no input energy, once
started.
IOW - this result is completely expected,
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
What took so long?
Nothing took so long. They have been doing tests without input for a couple
of years. Levi described one in December. However, Rossi claims this mode of
running is dangerous because it cannot be controlled. This has often been
Dear Peter,
Rossi is dancing again. In CF it is called 'heat after death', but an energy
investment is needed to elevated the cell into a operating region.
Thereafter, with proper insulation, the reaction can continue indefinitely,
against the cooling effect of phase conversion of water to steam.
On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info:
Some more info:
* * *
Could you please share a few extra details about the experiment?
- The size of the E-Cat (50cc or one liter in volume).
- How high the output went before the test had to
On 2011-06-18 18:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Some more info:
* * *
3) What do you consider is the maximum “safe” output level?
4) Do you think the one megawatt power plant being opened by Defkalion
might operate with zero input?
Dear Mike,
As regarding heat after death in classical CF it was rather rare- I cannot
remember more than 5 documented cases.
Surely the Piantelli Cells and the E-cats have to be heated and stimulated
to start. When I am thinking or writing about the Ecat I imagine that I am
using one instead of
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
As regarding heat after death in classical CF it was rather rare- I cannot
remember more than 5 documented cases.
Not true. Fleischmann andPons in France produced heat after death hundreds
of times. They ran banks of 64 cells and pushed them all to a
At 11:38 AM 6/18/2011, Jeff Driscoll wrote:
Why does Rossi and Levi insist on doing tough steam measurements
versus creating a big tank of hot water? I think the reason is
because they are perpetrating fraud.
There are two alternate explanations here that are, at present,
impossible to
At 12:00 PM 6/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
(One skeptic has asserted that a hotter cell would leak more helium,
say if seals were disturbed by the heat. As is common with
pseudoskeptics, the explanations are fabricated
At 12:08 PM 6/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Nothing took so long. They have been doing tests without input for a
couple of years. Levi described one in December. However, Rossi
claims this mode of running is dangerous because it cannot be controlled.
I've seen some rather silly skeptical
At 12:27 PM 6/18/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info:
Some more info:
* * *
Could you please share a few extra details about the experiment?
- The size of the E-Cat (50cc or one liter in volume).
-
At 12:32 PM 6/18/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-06-18 18:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Some more info:
* * *
3) What do you consider is the maximum âsafeâ output level?
4) Do you think the one megawatt power plant
being opened by Defkalion might operate with zero input?
I wrote:
I think [heat after death] is caused by having a large bulk of Pd that
stores a lot of deuterium which gradually comes of the bulk to the surface.
I say that because the largest example of heat after death was Mizuno's
event in 1991. The cathode was 100 g. That is 100 to 1000 times
IMHO, the mechanism behind the activity within the nano-sized nuclear sites
in the Ni-H reactor type is derived from some unusual form of hydrogen such
as Heavy Rydberg (H + / H –) system, Rydberg ions, atoms and/or matter in
one form or another or in combination. Production of Rydberg matter
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
No, it makes good sense. This school of logic is thousands of years old
and has been carefully thought out. You should not assume that you know
better than philosophers and logicians.
True.
And that's an appeal to authority, too, by the way...
I agree. Since several devices have melted down before, it is obvious that it
doesn't need elec input to work, just reacting nearby the high temps of the
resistance element. Once heated uniformly to reaction temps and self
sustaining, the key would be to pull off the energy fast enough with
Hello group,
I'm quite sure I'm playing his game by reporting this here, but I found
this message by Rossi on his blog of interest on many levels and
probably bound to generate many reactions:
* * *
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=96cpage=1#comment-47000
Dear Paolo:
The 1 MW
On 2011-06-18 22:22, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
I'm quite sure I'm playing his game by reporting this here, but I found
this message by Rossi on his blog of interest on many levels and
probably bound to generate many reactions:
It turns out that the 300 Energy Catalyzers ready for
From Rossi,
...
... For example, we had recently a fake journalist here who wrote
stupidities about the water in the steam: ...
I guess Rossi is still pissed off.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks=
On 11-06-18 04:22 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
I'm quite sure I'm playing his game by reporting this here, but I
found this message by Rossi on his blog of interest on many levels and
probably bound to generate many reactions:
* * *
http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials.asp
Plenty of wiggle-room when you're dealing with steam !!!
Then earlier assertions that the steam was totally dry must have been
... I hate to use the word ... lies.
Then earlier assertions that the steam was totally dry
must have been ... I hate to use the word ... lies.
Not necessarily... More than likely the % of water in the steam varied
depending on the power level
they were running the reactor at. Still, I think they are trying to save some
face
Rossi said:
We have 300 reactors in operation now in our factory, and we are making
exponential progress day by
day.
How do you say, damage control, in Italian? :-)
I just wanted to clarify one thing which was confusing to me... there are two
factories that are
being mentioned at this stage
If self-delusion has been operating, then the person would not be
aware of it, and hence feel truthful, not deceitful.
Naturally, any hidden defenses would be exposed only gradually.
This happens to everyone in some aspect of their lifetime evolution.
Release from delusions is tedious and
On 2011-06-19 00:58, Mark Iverson wrote:
Still, I think they are trying to save some face after this
recent breakthru of 'our reactors now produce a totally dry steam'. That
means that everyone,
including Krivit, who has been questioning them on this issue were spot on...
This is a bit of a
http://goo.gl/4hD3C
The mist seems to be mist right at the end of the black tube, hence
not a pure steam flow that exits invisibly from the tube and becomes
cooler visible mist in a few centimeters -- so is there any evidence
that the out flow right from the reactor is dry or damp steam?
On 2011-06-19 01:24, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Passerini stated on his 22passi blog that without the black cloth the
little steam plume was barely visible) of what I mean:
Sorry, I made a mistake. Actually, he wrote a few posts below the one
containing the video in the forum linked that without
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:42:10 Jay Caplan wrote [snip]I agree. Since several
devices have melted down before, it is obvious that it doesn't need elec
input to work, just reacting nearby the high temps of the resistance
element. Once heated uniformly to reaction temps and self sustaining, the
key
Why Levi is upset is more evident in this exchange between Steven Krivit and
Luigi Versaggi P.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/cold-fusion-andrea-rossi-method/i-made-a-question-to-steven-krivit/235485236468276
If I recall correctly someone wrote on the vortex list back in feburary or
march
I don't think Galantini is a thermodynamics expert. Jed is right
about sparging the steam.
Why do they insist on using phase change measurements anyway? There
are a dozen better ways to measure energy flow.
T
- Original Message
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 9:21:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why Levi is upset
I don't think Galantini is a thermodynamics expert. Jed is right
about sparging the steam.
Why do they insist on using
On 11-06-18 08:37 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Why Levi is upset is more evident in this exchange between Steven Krivit and
Luigi Versaggi P.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/cold-fusion-andrea-rossi-method/i-made-a-question-to-steven-krivit/235485236468276
If I recall correctly someone wrote
On 11-06-18 09:21 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
I don't think Galantini is a thermodynamics expert. Jed is right
about sparging the steam.
Why do they insist on using phase change measurements anyway? There
are a dozen better ways to measure energy flow.
OK, you asked for it, somebody should
On 2011-06-19 04:06, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I can't be sure from Krivit's rather murky summary of events whether
Levi was actually lying about it, or was confused, mistaken, or had been
misled by Rossi, but whatever the underlying situation is, Levi comes
across looking very bad here, IMHO.
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:32:54 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
It's being operated, apparently, at a balance point. Other designs
...or as Dr. Schwartz would say, an OOP.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-06-18 09:21 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
I don't think Galantini is a thermodynamics expert. Jed is right
about sparging the steam.
Why do they insist on using phase change measurements anyway? There
are a dozen better ways to measure energy flow.
I picked this article only because it was one of the first links I found after
googling you insult me, sir. It refers to a study of honour
killings associated with a culture of honour based on strength and reputation.
It is not hard to imagine a culture of honour which is based on competency
Fran,
If you could sputter the powder surface onto the fins of a brazed heat
exchanger
http://fintube.thomasnet.com/item/all-categories/finbraze--2/item-1010?forward=1
then the H2 could be inputted through a tube surrounding the finned exchanger
(with an outer lead pipe shield if there
Star Found Shooting Water Bullets
Stellar sprinklers may help irrigate cosmos, study suggests.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/06/110613-space-science-star-water-bullets-kristensen/
The amount of water ejecting from the star is equal to the amount that flows
through the Amazon
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