[Vo]:New Energy Times News Service - LENR and Cold Fusion Theory Index

2012-01-16 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Wonder if Krivit sent the email to Rossi, Focardi, Celani, Levi and Piantelli? AG Jan. 15, 2012 * *LENR and Cold Fusion Theory Index * *I continue to receive mixed responses about the media attention I give to the Widom-Larsen theory of LENRs.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Yamali Yamali
if shielded in his lead replaceable cartridge, would that make it acceptable to UL, etc? There is some radiation from smoke detectors now. Smoke detectors don't work with gamma radiation, afaik. And shielding would take a lot more than the wall of a small cartridge for 512 keV gamma. The dose

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Energy Liberator
In Aussie Guy's summary of the key points of the show he stated "Heating is via low energy Gammas hitting the lead shielding." I must of missed that in the interview and will have another listen when I get time. This sounds to me that the heat used to heat

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
To each other. The total momentum is 0. 2012/1/16 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net Aussie Guy summarizing Rossi's interview... 512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected 180 degs relative to what? -Mark -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2012-01-16 Thread Randall Fink

[Vo]:question on isotopes?

2012-01-16 Thread fznidarsic
Does anyone know, are the energy levels of atoms effected at all by the number of neutrons? Is there a reference? Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=42#comment-170607 * Andrea Rossi January 16th, 2012 at 7:09 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=42#comment-170607 Dear Roger: Another “rumorist” has written somewhere that our Customer has given us

[Vo]:over population not

2012-01-16 Thread fznidarsic
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/15/rick-santorum-on-fox-news_n_1207478.html

Re: [Vo]:question on isotopes?

2012-01-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Maybe on hyperfine corrections or isotope effect on lighter atoms, but that's when it comes to binding or material properties. 2012/1/16 fznidar...@aol.com Does anyone know, are the energy levels of atoms effected at all by the number of neutrons? Is there a reference? Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Wolf Fischer
Can't this type of gamma rays be shielded (I think he meant 511 keV gammas)? Using google I found, e.g., the following (although I don't know how well the shielding works): http://www.corning.com/specialtymaterials/products_capabilities/radiation_shielding_glass/Med_Pet.aspx Further here

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=42#comment-170607  *   Andrea Rossi   January 16th, 2012 at 7:09 AM   http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=42#comment-170607   Dear

Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
send it to: vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com T On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Randall Fink randylf...@comcast.net wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de wrote: By the way: I tried to ask Rossi about this on his journal. Seems as if he didn't like the question... Although they don't get along, this is a common trait between the Ing and the Snake. They only post questions and

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Although they don't get along, this is a common trait between the Ing and the Snake. The Ing and the Snake. . . . It took me a while to decode that. It sounds like a 1990s cartoon show, like Pinky and the Brain. I have ceased to read both blogs.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Yamali Yamali
In Aussie Guy's summary of the key points of the show he stated Heating is via low energy Gammas hitting the lead shielding. In that case we'd be talking about liquid lead shielding. 3 cm would reduce 511 keV gamma by about 99%. Still - the equivalent of 10 kW x .01 would escape and Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
Isn't that 1st costomer that is helping him build the small e-cats? I remember that by the end of last december, Rossi said he had a great breakthrough due to the collaboration with the customer. 2012/1/16 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton   Another “rumorist” has written somewhere that our Customer has given   us back the 1 MW E-Cat: this is another stupidity, totally false.   Warm Regards,   A.R. Rossi sometimes plays word games. Jones did not claim that it was given back.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: But even if he can do this with better controls, and proves himself to be close to the great inventor he imagines himself to be, he is still a liar. Many great inventors were accomplished liars. See Edison's quote about batteries: When a man gets on to accumulators

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
By the way, this quiescence problem does not exist as far as I know. Reliable people have observed Rossi's devices run continuously for days, and the one at the factory did run for months, as claimed. Rossi gives the appearance of lying more than he actually lies. He has difficulty telling

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Nigel Dyer
I am not sure if the point being made is that there can't be gamma radiation or else Rossi would be dead, or that there is gamma radiation and so it will never be a home appliance. The indications so far are that radiation levels are small, but not zero. This may well allow for home usage

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Rossi gives the appearance of lying more than he actually lies. LOL ! That is about the lamest defense of AR I have heard. Hilarious really, this makes my day. He has difficulty telling the truth in a way that does not make it look like a lie.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Leguillon
I've limited my skeptical Rossi criticisms awaiting a new test or any sort of verifiable information. I commend maryyugo for pulling back (a bit) on her repeated arm waving of proof and independent testing, when no new information has been revealed. But, I agree with her that some of the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Craig Haynie
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Rossi sometimes plays word games.  Jones did not claim that it was given back. His comment is more like it was returned for repairs. That is correct. Not only that, Rossi has all the characteristics of a pathological

RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Service - LENR and Cold Fusion Theory Index

2012-01-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Aussie: Wonder if Krivit sent the email to Rossi, Focardi, Celani, Levi and Piantelli? AG Good question. What IS the name of the theory Rossi's camp endorses these days? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Yamali Yamali
I was referring to this statement: In Aussie Guy's summary of the key points of the show he stated Heating is via low energy Gammas hitting the lead shielding. And as I read it, it would imply that the energetic equivalent of 10 kW (or whatever an e-cat produces) would have to be

Re: [Vo]:Joe Zawodny comments on the Nasa LENR video

2012-01-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately his expert opinion will be used to futher delay investment in LENR research in favour of pouring more money into god particles and

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Service - LENR and Cold Fusion Theory Index

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: What IS the name of the theory Rossi's camp endorses these days? Proton capture. See Summary of Invention, particularly para 26:

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Ok. Yes it is true that DGT chose their name before Rossi failed the test, as I have been reminded just now. From previous post: When Rossi could not pass that test... [DGT] were all smiles. It probably has something to do with why they chose the name Defkalion. For those who are not aware:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Rossi sometimes plays word games. Jones did not claim that it was given back. His comment is more like it was returned for repairs.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Craig Haynie
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: It's not so much proven lies as it is constant inconsistencies, vagueness, tangential answers to obviously relevant and harmless questions, spouting off about snakes and clowns, and general avoidance of credible answers. 

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Mary Yugo It's not so much proven lies as it is constant inconsistencies, vagueness, tangential answers to obviously relevant and harmless questions, spouting off about snakes and clowns, and general avoidance of credible answers. Well, Mary - inconsistencies may be what it is about

[Vo]:What kind of a relationship has Krivit established with the W-L camp?

2012-01-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Mr. Krivit recently posted over at NET: LENR and Cold Fusion Theory Index I continue to receive mixed responses about the media attention I give to the Widom-Larsen theory of LENRs. Regardless, my confidence in that theory has not

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Craig Haynie
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Are you saying his denial of culpability in the sordid Petrodragon affair is not a big lie? Or the money laundering - or the claim that he did not know that he had a “mail order” degree? Or the many lies about the TEG

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread James Bowery
Good grief. What is it with the Windom-Larson crowd? I mean while I'm skeptical that anyone has the theory to explain any of this yet, I will admit that Windom-Larson may be right. But still, why the religious wars? What's wrong with these people? On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jones Beene

RE: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed and Terry sez: Although they don't get along, this is a common trait between the Ing and the Snake.   The Ing and the Snake.  . . . It took me a while to decode that. It sounds like a 1990s cartoon show, like Pinky and the Brain.   I have ceased to read both blogs.   People read them?

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Having said all that - let me be clear that good evidence still indicates Rossi has invented a robust energy anomaly. That is where myself and Yugo part company. She believes that the dishonesty extends to everything, but that is wrong. At the bottom of it all, there is enough proof from other

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: LOL ! That is about the lamest defense of AR I have heard. Hilarious really, this makes my day. I am not defending him. I am describing him. He has difficulty telling the truth in a way that does not make it look like a lie. Now why would that

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Mary Yugo It's not so much proven lies as it is constant inconsistencies, vagueness, tangential answers to obviously relevant and harmless questions, spouting off about snakes and clowns, and general

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: And, as to the factory being heated continuously, this is still only his word for it, or visitors who saw it running when they were there on occasion. I have heard from reliable people who observed it operate

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: But, I agree with her that some of the fanbois need to pull back a little, too. This is one of the funniest things I've seen posted in a while: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:13:54 -0500 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com ** *Rossi gives the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de mailto:yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: Smoke detectors don't work with gamma radiation, afaik. Maybe with very VERY thick smoke? Just imagine - two years after Fukujima a guy from Italy goes to market with a device that emits detectable gamma

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I think the only way it could happen would be if government regulators opposed to cold fusion refuse to admit the machine is real, and allow it only because they claim it does not exist. Nonsense. First, almost

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Craig - Did you catch Rossi's interview Friday? He said straight out: we are in mass production in Miami. Problem is, efforts have been ongoing for some time to locate any factory with the proper permits from OSHA or other agencies, anywhere in Florida - and there are none that come up. You

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Also see my questions to Defkalion and the COMPLETELY NONRESPONSIVE EVASIVE REPLY here: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23t=865p=5389#p5389 LOL. I got this response from Defkalion: You have been

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Yamali Yamali
He has always said that there are gamma rays. He shields them with lead. There are no gamma rays leaving the device. This is all consistent. Actually no. It is impossible. You can't shield gamma rays completely. You could shield them enough to be so few that they would be undetectable. But if

RE: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Ok, thanks! I'm just so busy that I don't have time to listen or read all that is going in with LENR. Which is one of the reasons I monitor Vortex... -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat [mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:59 PM To:

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Yamali is exactly right. You simply CANNOT shield this kind of gamma radiation well with lead. Some always escapes. There is essentially ZERO chance of selling this kind of reactor in the USA without NRC permit. EEC would be similar. From: Yamali Yamali He has

Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Service - LENR and Cold Fusion Theory Index

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
The links are here: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/Theories/TheoryIndex.shtml Krivit wrote: I continue to receive mixed responses about the media attention I give to the Widom-Larsen theory of LENRs. Regardless, my confidence in that theory has not changed. In my opinion, Krivit is not

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: You simply CANNOT shield this kind of gamma radiation well with lead. Some always escapes. That is what experts in radiation say. Actually, you could stop them with enough lead. I believe it takes ~10 cm. If you had 1 m there would be no measurable

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Hey look, you may want Rossi the man to be real, instead of just the technology - but please do not be so gullible as to overlook a mountain of contrary evidence. What does this mean? How could he be fake, and yet the technology is real? Are you

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I cannot understand why Rossi's personality, his problems, and alleged problems are an issue here in this forum. Why do you -- Jones -- have such difficulty separating the person from the claim!?? Why do you have this

RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Service - LENR and Cold Fusion Theory Index

2012-01-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: ... I know I would fail such a test. My knowledge of nuclear physics ended with undergraduate physics and books such as Teller and Latter, Our Nuclear Future (1958) which I recommend, and Asimov, The Atom (1991). See:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Yamali Yamali
That depends on how many gamma rays you're dealing with. Its just stochastics. A certain fraction will allways get through. All the shielding does is to reduce the likelihood for each one. So even 1 m solid lead won't reduce radiation to unmeasurable levels if there's enough of it inside.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion. I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg60606.html Which shows

[Vo]:'Spooky action at distance': Physicists develop first conclusive test to better understand high-energy particles correlations

2012-01-16 Thread Michele Comitini
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120116112608.htm ScienceDaily (2012-01-16) -- Researchers have devised a proposal for the first conclusive experimental test of a phenomenon known as 'Bell's nonlocality.' This test is designed to reveal correlations that are stronger than any

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Zell, Chris
Defective analogy. The cars for sale are real and functional, aren't they? Even if the business is dishonest. From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: All the shielding does is to reduce the likelihood for each one. So even 1 m solid lead won't reduce radiation to unmeasurable levels if there's enough of it inside. I meant the most you can get with a 10 kW hot fusion reaction. A few might get

[Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency

2012-01-16 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
I really don't think there is any direct connection between precious metals and modern currencies. Last I heard: Today's Currencies are based on the price of oil in $USD since a large part of the World's Oil Supply is only traded in terms of $USD aka the Petrodollar Has anything definitively

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12-01-16 04:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion. I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion. I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg60606.html Which shows that 1 g atomic hydrogen can

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: ** Defective analogy. The cars for sale are real and functional, aren't they? Even if the business is dishonest. Sorry, I miss your point. I was noting that Jed would likely not buy from someone convicted multiple

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Tests on his device. Despite the handwaving and nonsense published here by Yugo and others, these tests are irrefutable. There is not slightest chance of fraud. I refuse to rehash that with you. If you believe

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Bob Higgins
The calculation in the link below appears to be in large error because the conversion from kWH to MeV is wrong by 1E19 (1 kWH = 2.25E19 MeV). What I get is that the association energy of 1g of H to 1g of H2 would be 60 wH (0.06 kWH), which would be way lower than the magnitude of energy reported

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion. I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread:

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Zell, Chris
Even if it is assembled from stolen parts, or has excess miles or has a salvage title ( I've restored seven salvage cars to legal, functional status in NYS), or whatever, we're still dealing with a real, functional car. It exists. I think there is a remarkable real effect underlying all this

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Say what?  Where's all that atomic hydrogen coming from? Are we back to splitting molecules using ZPE, or is there some other energy source breaking the bond? Geeze, Stephen, don't you pay attention? Molecular

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: The calculation in the link below appears to be in large error because the conversion from kWH to MeV is wrong by 1E19 (1 kWH = 2.25E19 MeV).  What I get is that the association energy of 1g of H to 1g of H2 would be

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12-01-16 04:55 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: Say what? Where's all that atomic hydrogen coming from? Are we back to splitting molecules using ZPE, or is there some other energy source breaking the bond? Geeze,

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Zell, Chris
Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger was a bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists. Werner Von Braun was a Nazi and may have held rank in the SS. Tesla was a OCD-laden nutball. I'm not sure I'd buy a used car from any of them. OTOH, I still

Re: [Vo]:over population not

2012-01-16 Thread Jouni Valkonen
This is very good, because it is clear effort to ease the tax burden of middle class families. An as we have vertical farming in our hands, we really have no problems with overpopulation, because humans consume only about 1.5 % of Earth's resources if horizontal Agriculture is removed from

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger was a bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists. Werner Von Braun was a Nazi and may have held rank in the SS. Tesla was a OCD-laden nutball. I'm not sure I'd buy a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jones, So you are OK with DFG taking Rossi's invention and in effect stealing it from him? You do admit it worked. But not for long enough. So what? IT WORKED. What part of IT WORKED don't you understand? And now your saying DFG will eat the lunch Rossi prepared and you think they are OK in

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger was a bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists. Werner Von Braun was a Nazi and may have held rank in the SS. Tesla was a OCD-laden

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12-01-16 05:11 PM, Zell, Chris wrote: Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger was a bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists. I've read Poincare's papers Einstein supposedly plagiarized. In a word ... he didn't. Poincare had a lot of the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Jones, So you are OK with DFG taking Rossi's invention and in effect stealing it from him? You do admit it worked. How can we possibly know that anything from Defkalion ever worked? They've never shown any

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Leguillon
His name was Thales of Miletus. g Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:25:53 -0500 From: sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement On 12-01-16 05:11 PM, Zell, Chris wrote: Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Mary, My statement was directed to Beene and not you. It was based on that of Beene, who claimed Rossi's reactor WORKED during the DFG tests but not for the required 48 hours. My statement to you is: So was Beene lying about the IT WORKED statement? If so then he may also be lying about the

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Zell, Chris
Edison cheated Tesla on a flimsy pretext ('just joking') and 'repeatedly lied' about DC vs AC. Tesla was vindicated, not Edison. Edison didn't even invent the electric lightbulb ( OK, he made it last longer). Testing without cost or risk? Not in any way that I would risk, if I was him.

[Vo]:Stevek not interested in my work only Widom Larson

2012-01-16 Thread fznidarsic
He has missed the boat. Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: ** Testing without cost or risk? Not in any way that I would risk, if I was him. What is the risk beyond any risk Rossi already assumed when he did some 8 or 10 public demonstrations already? And he still gives

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Yes AG I am completely OK with DGT's strategy because essentially Thermacore invented the device, Mills explained some of it, Rossi improved it but failed to get a usable patent for what he added. Rossi wrote the contract and could have claimed the benefits but only if he could deliver what the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: And as I read it, it would imply that the energetic equivalent of 10 kW (or whatever an e-cat produces) would have to be thermalized in the lead shielding from gamma rays. So if the shield is 3 cm, the equivalent of about 10 kW x .01 or about 100 W

[Vo]:Mary Mary Quite Contrary

2012-01-16 Thread Michael Butcher
Mary I'm a little confused. Perhaps you can clarify ? I know that you have stated it many times but is your position still that Rossi's first customer is a fictional one made up by him to give him credibility ? If this is the case then this fictional customer seems to have had fictional problems

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
A longer exposition at http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/media-3rd-party/Widom-LarsenChemForumsLetter.shtml Question 3 and in a separate paper (which I hadn't looked at before) : http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cond-mat/pdf/0509/0509269v1.pdf By Widom and Larsen: Finally, Widom and Larsen

Re: [Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website

2012-01-16 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Hallo, If you need help, I can do database stuff with php and MySql. However, I am lousy webdesigner, so I will not build you modern looking tempelate from scratch. However, there are ready made templates and I can modify one for the needs of your site. So if you can find a web a html+css

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
WL also predict an increase in surface conductivity (decrease in resistance) : The number density of heavy electrons on a metallic hydride surface is of the order of the number density of surface hydrogen atoms when there is a proton or deuteron flux moving through the surface and LENR are being

Re: [Vo]:LENR is not a disruptive technology...

2012-01-16 Thread Bastiaan Bergman
Gold cannot be made from lead though fusion, it would require fission. There isn't much point making gold from platinum, I presume. To make Cu out of Ni though the Rossi claimed scheme it would release 3.4 GWh of heat per produced kg of Copper, that's an entirely new form of climate pollution!

RE: [Vo]:Mary Mary Quite Contrary

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Leguillon
The story of the customer having returned the 1 MW unit originated from a post here on Vortex claiming inside knowledge. Rossi has subsequently denied it was returned by the customer. Rossi does say that he is working with National Instruments and the customer in order to optimize it. Date:

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Craig Haynie
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Craig - Did you catch Rossi's interview Friday? He said straight out: we are in mass production in Miami. I thought he said 'Florida', but it doesn't matter. When I heard this, my initial thought was that he is planning

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show -- WEB formatting

2012-01-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
I'm away from my desk, and composing on a zimbra web interface. It looks fine in my mailer. When I look at the vortex web archive most of my line-feeds are stripped away. I think it isn't remembering my directive to format in text, not HTML.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement

2012-01-16 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, An error you seem to be making, leading to your conclusion of way lower than the magnitude of energy reported by Rossi is an underlying assumption. You assume a symmetrical, chemical, or one-way reaction. What is not being factored into the equation, nor do we know, is the most

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show - RE-SENT

2012-01-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
A longer exposition at http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/media-3rd-party/Widom-LarsenChemForumsLetter.shtml Question 3 and in a separate paper (which I hadn't looked at before) : http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cond-mat/pdf/0509/0509269v1.pdf By Widom and Larsen: Finally, Widom and

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show -- RE-SENT

2012-01-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
WL also predict an increase in surface conductivity (decrease in resistance) : The number density of heavy electrons on a metallic hydride surface is of the order of the number density of surface hydrogen atoms when there is a proton or deuteron flux moving through the surface and LENR are

Re: [Vo]:Joe Zawodny comments on the Nasa LENR video

2012-01-16 Thread Rich Murray
I see Zawadny as taking a principled, high risk position, saying exactly what he thinks -- I'm impressed, and would be interested to know what evidence he finds most convincing. The frontier of physics-math-technology is a fractal surface in eternal exponential expansion -- no way to know what

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on the Smart Scarecrow Show

2012-01-16 Thread Daniel Rocha
If this theory is really functional, how does it explain that after the experiment there isn't strong emission of gamma rays since all is generated by beta decay, a good share of which has a half life of days or weeks? It's in WL tables of decays. How does it explain the formation of Lithium and

[Vo]:From NET: Bockris is still in the game!!

2012-01-16 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
For those not following LENR for more than about the last year, the name Bockris might be new. He did a considerable amount of excellent LENR research in the 90s, and eventually faced several 'official' inquiries at the insistence of colleagues. none of which found any wrong-doing or bad science.

Re: [Vo]:Request volunteer assistance revamping LENR-CANR.org website

2012-01-16 Thread Patrick Ellul
I also recommend Drupal, Wordpress, or Joomla On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: Hallo, If you need help, I can do database stuff with php and MySql. However, I am lousy webdesigner, so I will not build you modern looking tempelate from scratch.

Re: [Vo]:Mary Mary Quite Contrary

2012-01-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Michael Butcher thebend...@gmail.comwrote: Mary I'm a little confused. Perhaps you can clarify ? I know that you have stated it many times but is your position still that Rossi's first customer is a fictional one made up by him to give him credibility ? If

[Vo]:Heat Output

2012-01-16 Thread Chemical Engineer
All, In reading the CELANI presentation what is striking to me and probably hardest for everyone, including me to accept even more then the technology is that between 1995 and 2011 all of those PHDs from all of those prestigious universities with all that research grant money were only able to

Re: [Vo]:Heat Output

2012-01-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: With an 8 million times chemical potential I think we should all agree and rename the technology Low Efficiency Nuclear Reaction... Just having fun, don't flame me... Or possibly IENR for a reaction which requires

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