Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I recall another ERV is mentioned in the lawsuit papers. I don't recall > where. > I did a little reading and found this: - In the complaint there was mention of the ERV (Penon) and two people to maintain,

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On 04/12/2016 10:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] and according to I.H. the 1-year test did not work. How would they know? Did Rossi let them do another independent test after they signed the agreement? The 'independent ERV test' was the definitive test. IH released their pessimistic

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

Great views of the MFMP's experimental setup: https://theta360.com/s/mec8ROR65Uae7hy44vQSN991s and https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WQW5OTG5QWENPRTg/view?usp=sharing Alberto. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Teslaalset wrote: > Yes, that may be the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Craig Haynie wrote: > Mats Lewan mentioned this in his latest blog, and I had thought I lost > track of this test from 2011. After the test, the e-cat went into > heat-after-death for almost four hours. I remember seeing someone touch it > after six hours, and pull

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

There is one thing I want to bring up, and why I give Rossi any chance at having something interesting... Mats Lewan mentioned this in his latest blog, and I had thought I lost track of this test from 2011. After the test, the e-cat went into heat-after-death for almost four hours. I

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Eric Walker wrote: If there are two contradictory reports by two different ERVs, this story > will have taken a turn from the colorful to the surreal. > I recall another ERV is mentioned in the lawsuit papers. I don't recall where. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: And half the other guy's salary too. One of them knows what he is doing and > the other does not. If the reports are ever released you will see. > If there are two contradictory reports by two different ERVs, this story

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: You also say you know from secret sources that the report is worthless and > that you have been talking to Mats. So presumably he knows the report is > valueless too. > No, he does not know that. Perhaps he has not talked to my sources, or perhaps he

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On 04/12/2016 07:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Craig Haynie > wrote: The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the agreement is worded, IH pays IF and WHEN the ERV signs a document that the device

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, What you say does not add up. You say you are a speaker at Mats Lewan's seminar, and whether that takes place depends on the ERV's report. You also say you know from secret sources that the report is worthless and that you have been talking to Mats. So presumably he knows the report

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Sean True wrote: > It does appear that he is an expert in certifications, industrial > processes, and possibly in power plants. Perhaps IH was originally more > concerned about safety and deployment than whether LENR is practical. > He is a certified nitwit. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil Axil wrote: > And yet, I.H. entered a legally binding agreement and paid half of Penon's > salary. > And half the other guy's salary too. One of them knows what he is doing and the other does not. If the reports are ever released you will see. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed -- I think we might agree that Ing. Fabio Penon is not an expert HVAC engineer. That's different than saying that he is not an expert in something relevant to the contract between IH and Rossi, and it seems silly to assume that IH would be foolish enough to agree to a expert irrelevant to the

Re: [Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitions

Bob, Thank you for putting this together. May I add these definitions to a resource page I'm making for hobbyist replicators of the Holmlid Effect (with credit to you of course). What should we actually call this? Holmlid Effect or something else? Jack On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 12:10 PM Bob

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

And yet, I.H. entered a legally binding agreement and paid half of Penon's salary. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > >> The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the >> agreement

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Craig Haynie wrote: > The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the > agreement is worded, IH pays IF and WHEN the ERV signs a document that the > device performed to certain specifications. IH does not have an option to > bail if they don't agree

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: Ólafsson - Laser not strictly needed

OK, Frank this could be intriguing or coincidental – please remind us again – your magic number of 1,094,000 meters second would ostensibly be a near fit to 1064 nm, if that was the wavelength of light which Holmlid uses and you wanted to reduce some parameter to an integer. Maybe he is

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the agreement > is worded, IH pays IF and WHEN the ERV signs a document that the device > performed to certain specifications. IH does not have an option

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On 04/12/2016 03:21 PM, Axil Axil wrote: How dos a legal case handle an issue whereby everybody believes that LENR is impossible and a pseudoscience square with the main contention that Rossi has not revealed how LENR can be made to work? The predicate of such a case seems crazy to me.

Re: [Vo]:RE: Ólafsson - Laser not strictly needed

All of this gives me confidence that it is the coherent photons at the correct frequency which work and I think the reason they work is that hematite is the dielectric and SPP are known to form when photons interact with a dielectric in a resonant way. It is all about SPP and resonance.

[Vo]:RE: Ólafsson - Laser not strictly needed

Hi Ecco, I had not seen this thread, but a few of the details are a bit different from his presentation at the SRI colloquium. For instance he has moved to a different frequency laser. I have my notes here but there should be a video of that speech online, since they were filming it.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil Axil wrote: How dos a legal case handle an issue whereby everybody believes that LENR > is impossible and a pseudoscience . . . > It should be easy in this case. Just have a certified HVAC engineer review Penon's report and operate the machine. You will have a clear

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

Yes, that may be the confusion. I found that quote, its on Lenr forum by Sveinn himself. Thanks for pointing out. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

YES - Jed Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

How dos a legal case handle an issue whereby everybody believes that LENR is impossible and a pseudoscience square with the main contention that Rossi has not revealed how LENR can be made to work? The predicate of such a case seems crazy to me. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed - My point was that you have talked to some people. > You do not know if they said things to make you 'just go away'. > I can usually tell when that is the message. > There was no reason to fill you in with more than what sat on their tongue.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed - My point was that you have talked to some people. You do not know if they said things to make you 'just go away'. There was no reason to fill you in with more than what sat on their tongue. You are drawing conclusions and make them sound like facts based on very weak contacts. In addition

RE: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

This appears to be misunderstanding of a post from Ólafsson in which he says that the Holmlid reaction works at 100C whereas the Rossi HT reaction requires 1200C. Ólafsson did not mean it worked at 100C without a laser, of course. It still requires a laser pulse or equivalent, and given

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed, (I should say nothing but) has AR's lawyer said it is advisable to do > so (publish the report)? > In January, February and March, Rossi announced his intention to publish the report. The lawsuit preparations were underway at that time. If his

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, What often happens is that the first report is more in the nature of a draft, so that the parties that paid for it can alter bits they don't like and correct errors. The ERV will want to sign the final draft to ensure it says only what he agrees with. So there are likely three parties.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, (I should say nothing but) has AR's lawyer said it is advisable to do so (publish the report)? Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass.

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

I can’t find that news on Ólafsson confirming an active reaction (UDD/UDH) using heat. Anyone with a valid link to that item? On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Ólafsson has gotten the reaction (LENR?) to work without LASER > activation...just by using

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: AA. From long before the end of the 1 MW plant test Rossi said that public > release of the ERV report required agreement of all three parties. There are only two parties as far as I know: Rossi and I. H. Penon is so-called expert but I do not think he

[Vo]:one question interview with Andrea Rossi re LENR Science AND Technology

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-12-2016-very-short-interview-with.html and the voice of reason in/vs. the turmoil: Ed Storms. Plus info. Read about Me356 on the forums. peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Several commenters on Vortex have disparaged the ERV and the report. Jones Beene says he has secret negative information on the report that he declines to publish and that Penon will "flee the country.". Therefore this repeat of the ERV's qualifications are worth a look. Rossi claims the ERV

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed. "He is lying. There are no legalities preventing him from publishing. He could publish it anytime he wants." AA. From long before the end of the 1 MW plant test Rossi said that public release of the ERV report required agreement of all three parties. What makes you think you know better?

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, it is not worth to discuss. If he has no legal paragraph that prevent him is of no significance. He has legal concerns with respect to the lawsuit. He needs his lawyer to advice him I guess. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

@Eric, Yes, a number of calibrations have been done. One of the precautions being taken is putting a sensitive GM detector separated from the reactor. This separate sensor should be sensitive to a shower, but have reduced sensitivity (1/r^2) from the reactor. The cadre of sensors around the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Bob Cook wrote: What I remember Rossi said was that he would release the report when his > legal advisors said it was ok. > He said all kinds of things. That is an excuse. Before he said that, in January, February and March, he said he *would* publish the report. The

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

This small band of engineers and makers thinkers and analysts are doing amazing and very important work. They are a true fellowship holding on to an ideal for LOS, independent and thorough testing and open discussion and analysis, doing something for all people. This is so important in these

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

All report I have on Thomas darden are very kind, exceptionally kind, and others scientists working with him are happy. This affair was the occasion to learn from people who met him, who he was. No doubt he is professional, but not only. Like most here I expected something with many shades of

Re: [Vo]:Defending Rossi at this point is an action of the absolute naive

This is important to judge the possibility of various "misconducts". The conviction tax fraud was done to escape the trouble of the bankruptcy. a desperate maneuver. The one about gold seems more to be a problem with badly manager legal framework (recycling metal wastes). Environmental crimes were