Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way Jed made a HUGE MISTAKE in the missing file . . .
It is back.
and in his report when using the Newton's law of cooling ., the same law
he says I don't know. . .
You need two conditions to apply it
1) The ambient temperature is
I wrote:
2) The cooling body has no internal source of heat
That is not true. As long as the body is hotter than the surroundings and
the heat source within it is at constant power the law applies. The
coefficient changes. . . .
And the intercept is not zero, obviously.
- Jed
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
you continue to be wrong.
If you have constant ambient and constant heat source the temperature
difference will stay constant. No exponential decrease. Sorry.
If the power remains the same for the entire test, that is correct. It
reaches the terminal
Jed,
you continue to be wrong.
If you have constant ambient and constant heat source the temperature
difference will stay constant. No exponential decrease. Sorry.
2015-01-14 21:16 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
I wrote:
2) The cooling body has no internal source of heat
Jed,
all that you say has nothing to do with the Newton's law of cooling. It is
by far more complex and it is what we are trying to simulate. With good and
promising results I must say. You need the complete Fourier equation.
It is time to go to sleep. Best regards.
2015-01-14 22:12 GMT+01:00
constant of 4.2 hours.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Take your time Gigi, we want to get to the facts. I am very
of the Mizuno test.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dear Gigi,
I have begun to analyze your report and find something that does
Dear Gigi,
You wrote:
The pump absorbs from the grid a given amount of electrical power: for the
sake of simplicity let's say 12 W. According to the data sheet 3 W are
transformed into mechanical work and, eventually, transformed into heat inside
the water. The other 9 W are directly
Excuse me Jed,
but I think that is very simple for you to say that I do not understand
calorimetry if you reply to a question that I did not ask.
The refrigerator example is quite evident, but is unfit to our situation,
by various causes. The main one is that there you have an abrupt *change *of
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
The refrigerator example is quite evident, but is unfit to our situation,
by various causes. The main one is that there you have an abrupt *change *of
air temperature, while in the 18h test the air temperature is falling at a
modest rate of 0,36 °C/h
into the Dewar once the pump is turned off?
Regards,
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms
Dear Jed,
in your report you write:
*The temperature rose for 1.5 hours until it stabilized 0.6°Cabove room
temperature (Fig. 19.) It stabilized because heat losses equal the power
from thepump. In other words, with low input power after 1.5 hours, this
system acts as an
range and a damaged pump. These types of questions
remain unanswered.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dave,
you
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
I could say that this is false but I will be fair and I will say that this
is not true. From the missing file (Mizuno's data) we get the following
situation for the difference between water and ambient temperature
(4h 2.5°C) (5h 2.9°C) (6h 3.1°C) (7h
dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Take your time Gigi, we want to get to the facts. I am very impressed by the
simulations that you have shown and how well they match the curves made
Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
The refrigerator example is quite evident, but is unfit to our
situation, by various causes. The main one is that there you have an abrupt
, 2015 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dear Gigi,
I have begun to analyze your report and find something that does not seem
logical according to my understanding of heat flow. On your figure A2 I see
that you have overlaid your simulation results upon
Jed,
I think you should study heat transfer. I suggest you the book by Incropera
et al.
In one comment you say that the loss is equal to the pump power and the
system stay constant; in the following comment you do not remember this and
start speaking about the Newton's law of cooling. You
...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
I may have answered my own question below. The drop in ambient acts much like
a negative signal as I have proposed before. Eventually the delta will become
-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 13, 2015 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
I may have answered my own question below. The drop in ambient acts
much like a negative signal as I have proposed
, 2015 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Ok, we need some time to perform the full set of simulations. But please do not
take for sure that the pump only test had exactly the same configuration than
the test run had. We will present them as soon as we
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I am not sure how Mizuno measured the 10.8 Watts of power used by the pump.
It says in the report: Mizuno used the WattChecker watt meter to measure
the electric power consumed by the pump, which is 10.8 W.
I think the pump specifications indicate
experiment.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Jed--
I have researched the pump characteristics further and find
definition of baseline?
Bob
- Original Message -
*From:* Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Bob Cook made two large mistakes here. I wish he
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
The major result is that we measured 43°C in the pump body very close to
the water so it is really easy to understand that, despite what Jed says,
the pump motor delivers a lot of heat to the water . . .
You are wrong. This is not what I say. This is
-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Jed--
I have researched the pump characteristics further and find that this pump
has a low efficiency and would use
Jed is correct, when the pump is turned on and everything reaches steady
state, (using his example) the pump is putting in 4 watts of power to the
tubing, the reservoir and the LENR chamber and all these tubes and the LENR
chamber emit 4 watts of thermal power to the ambient at steady state. Then
...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dave,
as promised and while you still insist saying that we were deeply wrong, we
have put on-line two different updates
1)
https
Jeff,
I could agree entirely with you. I've have some problems with the internal
and external calorimeter time constants that are too short. But let's go on
and assume that what you say is completely right.
Now can you tell me where in the Mizuno's results (excel files and figures)
you see this
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dave,
as promised and while you still insist saying that we were deeply wrong,
we have put on-line two different updates
1)
https://gsvit.wordpress.com
Ill have to leave that to you and others,
I assumed Jed was making a point that Dave didn't understand.
I don't know the details of Mizuno's experiment.
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
Jeff,
I could agree entirely with you. I've have some problems
by several
inches. The same appears true for Mizuno's experiment.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Jed--
I have
Jed,
I think you did not catch the importance of time constants in your
calorimeter.
I do not know how to explain it in more details. You will continue to say
no forever.
Do you think that simulation are a valid tools as far as they reproduce
exactly the experiments?
2015-01-12 22:10 GMT+01:00
appears
true for Mizuno's experiment.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Jed--
I have researched the pump
.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I agree completely with Jed as long
. These types of questions remain unanswered.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dave,
you said nothing about simulations
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I agree completely with Jed as long as the ambient is kept at a constant
temperature.
When ambient changes a great deal over a short time, calorimetry becomes
too complicated. You need to throw away those results. Or use them for a
limited purpose.
inches. The same appears
true for Mizuno's experiment.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Jed--
I have researched
?
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Bob Cook made two large mistakes here. I wish he -- and others -- would
The Iwaik pump
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Most pumps do quite well at converting electrical energy into mechanical
energy. When they do only 35% or 40% conversion they are called
inefficient.
The specifications for this family of pumps says they are ~15% efficient as
I recall. That is for
it move to an accusation of having hidden an excel file...
conspiracy...
now my tactic is to force the people denying LENR to be clear out the
conspiracy theory they support so witness see it is huge and impossible.
conspiracy is the easy answer to things one cannot accept...
not only in science
Alain,
I'm not accusing anyone of having hidden an excel file; I'm just saying
that Jed removed that file from his archives where I found it several weeks
ago. I don't know why he removed it, maybe he could explain...
Jed says it is of no importance to the present discussion; I find it of
removing evidence of artifact is fraud.
don't feign to be kind.
nobody with a brain ignore that rejection of cold fusion is based on a
conspiracy theory involving thousands of actors, mostly frauding, some just
incompetent. this is the 10 ton gorilla in LENR critics.
people observing the usual
I wrote:
My office Internet connection has not been working so I cannot upload or
download much. It should be fixed on Tuesday.
I hope.
I am getting a new ISP. This one has been slow. Now it has been dropping
completely for hours a day. It is peaceful having no phone calls or e-mail,
but
Alain,
I must confess that I've some problems to follow your statements. You
should stick to the facts not to general theories or books.
I, normally, run a company and at the end of the month I provide the food
for a few dozens families, including mine. I've no time for cospiracies.
I,
Jed,
I'm sorry but if you take the 18 hour experiment file and draw the water
temperature against the room temperature you will find a temperature rise
at the equilibrium higher than 2.5 °C. This is a huge amount which, is
incompatible with what you and Mizuno say.
Your mistake is to think to
quite well
if a multiple pulse experiment is conducted. Perhaps this has already been
attempted?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 10, 2015 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic
Jed,
just as an example, in the missing file, in the row 989 which corresponds
to 24131.191 seconds the room temperature is 18.78 °C and the water
temperature is 21.90. Doing some mathematics we get that the temperature
difference is 3.13 °C that appears to be higher than what you say.
Why did
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
May I inject an idea into this discussion? To activate the normal Mizuno
LENR reaction it is necessary to apply 20 watts for a short period of
time. One would certainly expect the rate of the reaction to drop if much
less instantaneous power is
many realize.
Take care and lets uncover the real facts,
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dear Dave,
I do
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not accusing anyone of having hidden an excel file; I'm just saying
that Jed removed that file from his archives where I found it several weeks
ago. I don't know why he removed it, maybe he could explain...
I will put it back, soon. My office
We most be open that there are mistakes in pro cold fusion results, but
also make sure that they are put into contexts, are the mistakes of a few
outliers, or are they the main part.
That is the question we need to answer. Typically to validate or disprove
cold fusion you make sure to draw a
I wrote:
Where do you see that? At what hour? At hour 2.2 it reaches the peak. The
water temperature is 23.3°C and ambient is 22.8°C.
I meant to say: At hour 1.4 it reaches the peak. Taking the value at 2.2
hours, the water temperature is 23.3°C and ambient is 22.8°C.
At 2.2 hours the
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
Coming back to Mizuno we think that in the reported experiment there is no
excess heat. It is written in the Mizuno's data, our demo is only a further
proof. If you take a look of the data when the pump fails you will see that
immediately both water
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry but if you take the 18 hour experiment file and draw the water
temperature against the room temperature you will find a temperature rise
at the equilibrium higher than 2.5 °C. This is a huge amount which, is
incompatible with what you and
jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 10, 2015 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
May I inject an idea into this discussion? To activate the normal Mizuno LENR
reaction
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
just as an example, in the missing file, in the row 989 which corresponds
to 24131.191 seconds the room temperature is 18.78 °C and the water
temperature is 21.90. Doing some mathematics we get that the temperature
difference is 3.13 °C that appears
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . for example what about the heat transferred from the motor to the
water? Jed says it is negligible: we'll show that this is not true, you
will see a photo of the pump gear and you will decide yourself.
I did not *say* it is negligible; Mizuno
this
number. I assume it was measured at some point in time.
Thanks,
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 10, 2015 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Bob Cook
vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 10, 2015 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Jed, looking at figure 6, the Oct 21 data I calculate that the average power is
1.3888 watts. That is 20 watts * 500 seconds / 7200
The design-of-test story is coming out.
Good,
Bop
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
Two of us measured and discovered the Defkalion trick in the water flow
measurement (or do you think it was really Gamberale?); if you like I can
send you the proofs privately.
Hi Giancarlo,
Thank you for the careful
a couple of different directions and keep getting the same
result.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 10, 2015 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
David
Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote:
*Basically, after 2.4 hours you should either ignore the rest of the data,
or use a much more complex modeling method which takes into account the
lag.*
This is exactly what we have already done. You will read it soon.
In your comments here, you
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Jed, looking at figure 6, the Oct 21 data I calculate that the average
power is 1.3888 watts. That is 20 watts * 500 seconds / 7200 seconds =
1.3888 watts.
Yes, that is the answer I got, in Table 1. However, bear in mind that is
for the water alone.
Caro Giigi,
Because you refered to me as some last faithful of Defkalion, if you have
discovered the Defkalion flowmeter trick( define it exactly please!) can
you explain how can be obtained results as in the demos of July 22 and 23
by
manipulating two valves? Can you reoeat the trick and in
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
The process is not manageable in this way, it is completely chaotic.
Correct. It was chaotic. The Defkalion results shown at ICCF were chaotic,
especially the flow rate, which should not have been chaotic, since the
water was flowing from a sink.
*Basically, after 2.4 hours you should either ignore the rest of the data,
or use a much more complex modeling method which takes into account the
lag.*
This is exactly what we have already done. You will read it soon. So please
publish the original file so that Dave and other can check our
Jed should identify the actual time the reaction stopped hours before that
event failure of the pump.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry
The process is not manageable in this way, it is completely chaotic.
At the demo Mats Lewan has helped at the testing of the flowmeter.
The Gamberale report was accepted immediately by you and many of our
colleagues- do you think it cn be really used such a trick to obtain
consistent results as
to be barrowed.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
*From:* Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, January 10, 2015 7:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Alain,
I must confess that I've some problems
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Alain,
I must confess that I've some problems to follow your statements. You should
stick to the facts not to general theories or books.
I, normally, run a company and at the end of the month I provide the food
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Jed should identify the actual time the reaction stopped hours before
that event failure of the pump.
You can see it in the graph. The reaction peters out around hour 6 where
the blue line starts to fall, and the pump fails at hour 8.
The end of the
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
It is written in the Mizuno's data, our demo is only a further proof. If
you take a look of the data when the pump fails you will see that
immediately both water and reactor wall temperatures start to decrease: in
the presence of a reaction the wall
Dear Eric,
I was not present at the Defkalion test, but at GSVIT we are four people [?]
Gamberale was present, of course. He did repeat later the measurement
(after a few weeks), alone.
In the Lugano report they perform a dummy measurement: it is enough to
calculate the resistances in the load.
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Because you refered to me as some last faithful of Defkalion, if you have
discovered the Defkalion flowmeter trick( define it exactly please!) can
you explain how can be obtained results as in the demos of July 22 and 23
by
manipulating two
Peter,
I fully agree with you: the time will tell the truth. The cause was a water
wave bouncing forth and back so that to provide extra pulses in the
flowmeter. There is an oscilloscope photo taken by connecting it to the
flowmeter.
What you simply miss is that it was very simple to obtain a
, 2015 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dear Dave,
you still insist on your calculation neglecting what I wrote to you in an
earlier message regarding the fact that increasing the pipe the power goes to
zero when calculated according to your
2015-01-10 15:01 GMT+01:00 Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com
:
That is the question we need to answer. Typically to validate or disprove
cold fusion you make sure to draw a representative sample of the old
results and do a serious examination to evaluate the evidences
cold
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-01-10 15:01 GMT+01:00 Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com
:
That is the question we need to answer. Typically to validate or disprove
cold fusion you make sure to draw a representative sample of the old
results and do a serious
Bob Cook made two large mistakes here. I wish he -- and others -- would
The Iwaik pump, if running, would have added heat at about 29 watts per
the pump specification.
In my report, p. 24, I list the pump specifications. Mizuno measured the
pump input power with the watt meter. It is 10.8 W,
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
please don't say you predicted the problem of DGT demo.
I was observing the critic and as I say, all was criticized as all
fraud... electricity, water, thermocouple,
Good point.
... as i say deniers are a dead clock totally useless to find
Message-
From: Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 10, 2015 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dear Dave,
you still insist on your calculation neglecting what I wrote to you in an
earlier message regarding
.
In summary and IMHO,
I doubt the Mizuno test produced any excess heat.
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dear Gigi,
You must
please don't say you predicted the problem of DGT demo.
I was observing the critic and as I say, all was criticized as all fraud...
electricity, water, thermocouple, ... as i say deniers are a dead clock
totally useless to find reality.
Electricity and thermal measurement were OK as Luca Gamberale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Temple_Monoplane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pierpont_Langley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Whitehead#1901
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozhaysky%27s_airplane (probable)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ader_%C3%89ole
2015-01-10 23:19 GMT-02:00 Jed
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Temple_Monoplane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pierpont_Langley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Whitehead#1901
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozhaysky%27s_airplane (probable)
I wrote:
An ordinary person unschooled in aviation science looking at flights by Du
Temple, Langley and Maxim would have great difficulty distinguishing these
flights from those of the Wright brothers. . . .
Langley's successful flights in 1896 were with a large model. They were
unmanned.
-
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Bob Cook made two large mistakes here. I wish he -- and others -- would
The Iwaik pump, if running, would have added heat
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Mixuno would see a temperature differential as you say, however what
fraction of energy introduced by the reaction is above the input energy of
the electrical pump and or other electrical inputs?
You do not need to know this as long as you are sure the
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think you assume that the reaction did not change the differential
pressure that the pump sees as the reaction occurs. (In other words the
baseline energy is a constant during the reaction.)
I did not assume that. I observed that during the 18 hour
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Mixuno would see a temperature differential as you say, however
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think you assume that the reaction did not change the differential
pressure that the pump sees as the reaction occurs. (In other words
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I see that we are not communicating accurately. To quote you in response
to Alain message regarding this subject several days ago, I will not
bother with further communications.
I meant I would not discuss the matter over at the Italian web site.
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2015-01-09 0:00 GMT+01:00 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com:
Many of the cold fusion skeptics conclude that LENR is not possible
because there is no theory to support it.
An article describe that
I haven't read Mizuno's report - so I might be mistaken in my comments
but if Mizuno is at steady state with the pump on for many many hours, then
when he turns on the LENR experiment, he will only see a delta T that is
due to the LENR experiment and the pump heat doesn't matter at all.
On
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
I haven't read Mizuno's report - so I might be mistaken in my comments
but if Mizuno is at steady state with the pump on for many many hours, then
when he turns
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From: Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
Dear Dave,
I do not think we need so much calculation; better to perform a new measurement
on a 10 mm pipe
, you got it right.
Dave
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From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.commailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com
To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 7, 2015 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised
done,
question
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*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 6:00 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry
revised
Guys, I believe that I have an explanation for the variation in
measurements performed by the latest critic and Jed. I have long wondered
about
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