[Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is a 110 MW concentrating solar power (CSP) project in Nevada, with a central tower, on 1,600 acres of land. The tower approach is more efficient and cheaper than the troughs that were common 20 years ago. They recently finished erecting the tower. See:

[Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons. Popular article here: Got mass? Scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy http://phys.org/news/2012-06-mass-scientists-electrons-heavy-speedy.html

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant to say: Solar availability and peak power are much better than WIND in the southwest because the peak coincides with the highest demand . . . In some parts of Europe, you get a lot of wind at night, when you least need electricity. You cannot store wind, coal or nuclear energy, except a

Re: [Vo]:Some Piantelli news from Roy Virgilio

2012-06-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-06-13 23:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, I asked Roy Virgilio to provide some clarifications on certain passages of his previous forum post, managing to obtain some more information. I will translate his new message below (thanks again Google Translate):

Re: [Vo]:Some Piantelli news from Roy Virgilio

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Thanks for the update. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Some Piantelli news from Roy Virgilio

2012-06-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
It looks like they are hitting a dead end like Black Light... 2012/6/14 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-06-13 23:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello Group, I asked Roy Virgilio to provide some clarifications on certain passages of his previous forum post, managing to obtain

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, Your problem is that you believe everything you read off those green energy blogs/flyers and believe it is true. The original Solar One and Solar Two Power Towers were moth-balled 20 years ago. Solar one used steam/water, Solar Two used molten salt. $1.6B/$2.2 Billion of government

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Your problem is that you believe everything you read off those green energy blogs/flyers and believe it is true. The original Solar One and Solar Two Power Towers were moth-balled 20 years ago. Yes. Things often go wrong with cutting edge

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Robert Lynn
I was involved in a CSP project a few years back, and as much as I enjoyed the tech side of it I have to agree with you. Large scale CSP is probably cheaper than large scale PV, but after you factor in maintenance, fighting BANANAs ( Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything) and

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
You are right, the government should have given them 5 times as much money to prove that something 5 times more expensive than current generating technologies would cost 5 times as much to the consumer/taxpayer. The market for CSP(none) drove them out of business not the government. LENR has the

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You are right, the government should have given them 5 times as much money to prove that something 5 times more expensive . . . Luz did not use much government money, and their 300 MW plant has been operating continuously at a profit since the 1980s,

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, Is 10 billion enough to prove it is not cost effective? 20 billion? 50? I could have launched those tortoises into earth orbit for $56M in taxpayer money spent at Ivanpah relocaiting them I am not much for conspiracy theories although they are fun to read On Thursday, June 14, 2012, Jed

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Also, CSP is not radically new it has been around for 30 years awaiting government money, only the names have changed. If SEGS was so profitable why did Luz go bankrupt? On Thursday, June 14, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread Axil Axil
Entanglement is hard to understand. Here is my take on what this article says. When subatomic particles become entangled, they essentially share the same matter wave form. It is like a group of people who decide to poll their money in a bank in a joint account where any of these people can

RE: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jones Beene
From: Robert Lynn Assuming no LENR there is no chance of CSP being competitive with natural gas in the next few decades. Your bring up an interesting point, although it is not clear how you intended it. In fact, there could be synergy between

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Axil Axil
From the LENR/gamma experiments of Piantelli, it seems to me that the way gamma radiation is thermalized is provisional; sometimes gamma is thermalized and other times it is not. Rossi also had occasional gamma emission problems(at startup and shutdown) before he cured this condition. If

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: CSP is not radically new it has been around for 30 years awaiting government money, only the names have changed. If SEGS was so profitable why did Luz go bankrupt? I told you: it was a squeeze play. The power company and coal companies conspired

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: [California's] Their laissez faire approach ended spectacularly with the Enron burn baby burn episodes, with billions of dollars vanishing into thin air. By the way, I would not say that was the fault of capitalism. What Enron and the legislators in California was not capitalism!

Re: [Vo]:OT: TV The New Dallas Series The Ewings and Fear of Alt Energy (Rossi) !!!

2012-06-14 Thread Terry Blanton
First, it's not off topic. Second, the Chinese will probably beat us to the draw. T

[Vo]:Got Mass? Scientists Observe Electrons Become Both Heavy and Speedy

2012-06-14 Thread Roarty, Francis X
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120613145418.htm snip In a study to appear in the June 14 issue of the journal Nature, the Princeton-led team, which included scientists from Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) and the University of California-Irvine, used direct imaging of

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: “Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons…” In the matter of Widom and Larsen, some fun numbers: mass proton: 938 MeV mass electron: 511 MeV

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread Eric Walker
Sorry -- mis-transcription. That's 511 KeV for the electron. Eric On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: “Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, I am an engineer and I like new technology as do many. The entire CSP market in California has been created from State Legislation, Federal grants, loans and subsidies. The market will dry up when those options go away again with changing adminstrations just as it did 25+ years ago. It is

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: From the Wikipedia article on muon-catalyzed fusion: If a muon replaces one of the electrons in a hydrogen molecule, the nuclei are consequently drawn 207 times closer together than in a normal molecule. Maybe you don't

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

2012-06-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am an engineer and I like new technology as do many. Of course! But if you had to choose between a tried and true old method that works as well as a new one, I'll bet you would go with the old one. It is a safer choice. It is often a wistful

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread Axil Axil
It seems to me that the heavy or ---identically--- the speedy electrons cannot be confined to orbit an atom; they need the wide open spaces of the open lattice to show off their speed. Only low energy electrons can orbit atoms. The referenced articles do not talk about neutrons, just electrons.

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread pagnucco
This is an interesting effect. I believe the full text (daunting reading) preprint is available at -- http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1206/1206.3145.pdf I am no expert on this, but my impression is that the heavy quasi-particles described only exist at relatively low energies, and probably

Re: [Vo]:FYI: Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons.

2012-06-14 Thread Axil Axil
“Electrons moving in certain solids can behave as if they are a thousand times more massive than free electrons…” Caution…Mass is condensed matter physics is different from mass as it appears in other physics. Effective mass of electron When an electron is moving inside a solid material,