On 01/17/2011 11:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Peristaltic pumps are an example of technology that by rights should
not work, but they managed to pull it off. They overcame what seemed
to be insurmountable problems with plastics. You have a wheel pressing
down and squeezing the plastic tube
On 01/18/2011 12:03 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Rossi also says that they have had one reactor that has run
continually for two years, providing heat for a factory.
Slightly longer quote from the Peswiki page:
Rossi also says that they have had one reactor that has run
continually for
You are right, Stephen- see e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristaltic_pump (and many leaflets)
Have used such pumps mainly for agressive liquids as HCl that corrodes
almost all metals. But also for liquid cyanhydric acid (no problems) and for
liquefied phosgene - great trouble had to
Was the steam exiting the Rossi device transparent or was it an opaque
white? (right at the top where it transitions from the aluminum foil covered
chimney to the black hose)
If it is transparent then that would mean it is water vapor - and truly 12
kW of steam.
But if it was white then that
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I have the impression that pumps like that are really good for pumping
whole blood. Anything with an identifiable impeller also has edges
inside, and tends to cause clots.
That's a good point. I recall they were developed for medical
applications.
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
So if they need some electricity to control it, why don't they use the
output to run a generator, and close the loop? At 10:1, they ought to be
able to turn the heat output into enough electricity to drive the thing with
a good bit left over.
Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:
Rossi could keep his black box method and still prove his claims with a 24
hour stress test that would produce far more energy than he could possibly
Conceal inside the black box.
He has done that. People have told me they witnessed that,
I not sure about whether clotting was a problem, but hemolysis (breaking apart
the red blood cells)
is. Pumping blood requires very gentle movements in order to avoid damaging
the cells. Just
modestly squeezing your finger can burst blood cells. When a diabetic is
taking a blood sample and
On 01/18/2011 11:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
So if they need some electricity to control it, why don't they use
the output to run a generator, and close the loop? At 10:1, they
ought to be able to turn the heat
On 01/18/2011 11:04 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:
Rossi could keep his black box method and still prove his claims
with a 24 hour stress test that would produce far more energy than
he could possibly
Research at Univ of Arizona...
They've come up with a way to more accurately measure van der Waals forces...
specifically the force
between an atom and a surface, which may have some bearing on LENR.
Here is the interesting bit...
The most significant discovery was that an atom's inner
As best as I can tell, Wikipedia's entry on Cold Fusion has remained
blissfully unaware of the recent weekend events in Italy.
I wonder if Mr. Lomax might like to comment.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Many of you I am sure fondly remember the many fun postings here from
the Dime Box Saloon by Richard C Macaulay. I was surprised
recently to find this obituary for him:
http://obit.memorialoakschapel.com/obitdisplay.html?task=Printid=757483
He died Feb. 19, 2010.
He had much expertise in
From Horace,
Many of you I am sure fondly remember the many fun postings here from the
Dime Box Saloon by Richard C Macaulay. I was surprised recently to find
this obituary for him:
http://obit.memorialoakschapel.com/obitdisplay.html?task=Printid=757483
He died Feb. 19, 2010.
He had
The Rossi collective seem to be convinced, or at least promoting the
hypothesis that the fusion of a proton with nickel, resulting in copper, is
the main heat source in this device.
There are other options.
One possibility is related to dense hydrogen or pycno. This could include
Miley's
I was afraid of this, back when Richard stopped posting.
I had even checked the obits in that area a couple of times when he didn't
answer email.
... a true character ... but I'm not so sure the Dime Box was fictitious ?
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner To: Vortex-L
Subject:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
And as to not being convinced by anything ... as long as the
conclusions are based on precise heat measurements there is room for
doubt.
These conclusions are based on somewhat imprecise measurements, and you
can be just as certain with no measurements at all.
Speaking of another old warrior, we have not heard from Mike Carrell
in a spell. Actually, for quite some time now. Considering recent
events I would have expected something akin to a rebuttal from Mike,
particularly in regards to his position, (or defense), of BLP. Mike is
up there in years.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
[Francesco gave me permission to distribute this.]
Dear Colleagues,
snip
After
few minutes Eng. Rossi realised that I was trying to identify something
secret inside the reactor: I was forced to stop the
This is from Ed Storms in response to the previous post.
It is essential to analyze the results in terms of how we know Nature has to
behave. By doing this, we can gain increased understanding of what is
actually happening in the Rossi apparatus, information that Rossi has not
provided.
Here are some calculations that imply certain water/humidity effects which
should have been observed at the demo.
This is from an associate LENR researcher - Jeff Morriss, in response to the
other issues on steam/vapor raised by Jeff Driscoll and Peter van Noorden,
which so far do not have
Jed,
If he did a spectrum measurement for a few minutes, he should have a
decent sampling. This depends on the detector, of course, but all handhelds
that I've dealt with (which is a limited sample) are designed for rapid
detection/spectra collection. NaI isn't the best detector material, but
From: albedo5
. Chances are the secret may not be a gamma emitter at all, but it's worth
a go.
With a lead-shielded reactor it is doubtful that any radiation other than
gammas could be detected.
I uploaded a short interview with Levi, and the recommendations made by
Nagel that I posted here previously. See:
Macy, M.,/Specifics of Andrea Rossi's Energy Catalyzer Test,
University of Bologna, January 14, 2011/. 2011, LENR-CANR.org.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MacyMspecificso.pdf
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:16:45 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
The falsifiability of this hypothesis can be related to the appearance of
deuterium and perhaps the gamma signature of the positron, as it either
annihilates or goes to positronium with the UV signature (6.8 eV).
On 01/18/2011 02:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
CLOSE THE LOOP.
He [Rossi] says he can run without any electrical input. Ergo he
/can/ close the loop, without the expense of a Stirling motor and
generator.
Actually, that is heat input, from an AC resistance
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:52:45 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
They sure do! I wish I knew the name of that factory, and I could see
photos or interviews.
[snip]
It's probably the factory mentioned in the patent:-
A practical embodiment of the inventive apparatus, installed
Well, neutrons may be out, since the patent mentions lots of boron and few
neuts would escape anyway, and there are almost no secondaries from the
boron ash: lithium and alpha (as we know from BNCT).
Celani's comment are indeed a bit puzzling, given the shielding - and the
already admitted
This point has come up over and over, and I don't recall seeing an answer.
Just exactly what did happen to the steam? Does anyone know? Was it
vented outside, vented into the room, or recondensed? If it was
condensed, what happened to the coolant? I.e., was there a stream of
cooling water
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
That, also, makes it seem a little surprising that the joule heater
continues to be used *after* ignition. It's contributing just 4% of
the total heat; you'd think they could just shut it off after the
thing starts up.
Of course, the reacting surface area may be
- Original Message
From: mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 4:52:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:52:45 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
They sure
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi believes the temperature at the core is 1500°C. As I mentioned here,
Ed thinks that is impossible because it is above the melting point of
nickel.
I think Rossi is operating near the edge of a runaway reaction.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:51 PM, albedo5 albe...@gmail.com wrote:
If he wants the spectrum he did get analyzed, I can get this done in several
different ways.
Oh, so now you are a nuclear scientist. I'll have to change your moniker.
(N)T
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
great work Robin.
I used google maps and input: via Carlo Ragazzi 18 Bondeno Ferrara.
The satellite view shows something like a factory at that location.
Oh brave new world! Now, if you could only zoom in and see inside the
building, we'd have it.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
(I've seen one off-hand reference to the condenser but it wasn't in a
description of the apparatus; it was, IRRC, in a remark by Terry and seemed
to be more of an assumption than anything else.)
Ackshully, not an
This is not surprising. My guess is that there is strong temperature
inversion, and a prohibitive trigger temperature with instant quench. The
trigger could be say at 800 C, and the inversion 1000 C, giving some room
for error. There are zones and only one of them is externally heated. This
is
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I think Rossi is operating near the edge of a runaway reaction. He
uses the resistive heating device to ensure runaway does not happen.
If he tried to self-sustain, he gets runaway. With the added 400 W of
resistive
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This amplification of input is why he has named it the way he has.
Although, it would not really be amplification, would it? The
reaction has a known instability and he uses the 400 W stable source
to mask that
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:38:25 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I think Rossi is operating near the edge of a runaway reaction. He
uses the resistive heating device to ensure runaway does not happen.
Terry Blanton wrote:
Based on this (gross) assumption, some really good feedback controls
are going to be required on a commercial product.
Whether that is true or not, one thing seems certain to me: it would
lunacy to install thousands of these machines without regulations, and
without
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Based on what I've read so far, I know I'd prefer the full protection
and experience of a major utility company managing the reactor . . .
Me too!
I would think that only after a considerable amount of experience
combined with a good track record has
The calculations of the steam velocity below translates to a 188 mph jet of
steam coming out of a hose having an area of 1 cm^2 (equates to a 1.13 cm
inner diameter hose or .44 inner diamter)
Double the area of the hose and the velocity will drop by a factor of 2 to
94 mph.
The steam should be
All Catalysts are normally considered accelerators of standard reactions and
skeletal catalysts are based on Casimir geometry / suppression of energy
density which is known to lead
To relativistic effects on the half lives of radioactive gas. Perhaps Rossi
is using sodium or other very
--- On Tue, 1/18/11, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
... a true character ... but I'm not so sure the Dime Box
was fictitious ?
The romantic in me likes to think it was real. Maybe not in this plane of
reality, whatever it is, but *somewhere*.
I liked R.C.
We talked quite a bit
Apparently, my original query back in November to R. Mills' Society
for Classical Physics group regarding a possible demonstration of the
CIHT process in 2011 got lost. The moderator asked me to resubmit my
query. I did.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.orionworks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
It seems I spend most of my waking hours lately analysing spectra, with
handheld detector characterisation a close second. It's a good thing I have
such great toys to do it with. I recently dreamed about daughter isotopes
prancing around a lovely neutron waterfall, with Bremsstrahlung providing
On 14 Jan 2011, at 10:04, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote:
A demolishing criticism of Miles Mathis, particularly on his paper about Pi
being 4 (among many other things, Miles shows that Pi equals four, with an
elegant(and wrong) proof, which basically boils down to this)
That was a fun
A hidden factor of 4 increase in electric power input to a resistive
heater is possible: Rich Murray 2011.01.18
1. Use four power input wires, one hidden from the floor up through
the inside of each of the four table legs -- in fact table legs could
conceal as many as 4 -- 9 wires each -- has
On 01/18/2011 05:56 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:38:25 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I think Rossi is operating near the edge of a runaway reaction. He
uses
On 01/14/2011 05:04 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
A demolishing criticism
http://scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2010/11/16/grandiose-crackpottery-proves-pi4/
of Miles Mathis, particularly on his paper about Pi being 4
http://milesmathis.com/pi.html (among many other things, Miles shows
that Pi
Jed wrote:
Rossi believes the temperature at the core is 1500°C. As I mentioned here,
Ed thinks that is impossible because it is above the melting point of
nickel.
Does it have to be pure nickel or can it be an alloy of nickel which would have
a higher melting point?
Harry
But who the f knows?
T
The elusive Dr. f
Harry
But, Rich, the input power was measured -- /not/ by Rossi -- and the
setup was apparently done by the other profs, /not/ by Rossi himself.
The power supply and the other paraphernalia (aside from the reactor)
were apparently provided by various other profs, /not/ by Rossi.
So unless you're
Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
A hidden factor of 4 increase in electric power input to a resistive
heater is possible: Rich Murray 2011.01.18
It would have to be a factor of 30, not 4. The power meter shows 400 W, and
the output is 12 kW.
1. Use four power input wires, one hidden
The philosophical foundations of geometry interests me.
Thanks for this link.
Harry
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 11:11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miles Mathis
On 01/14/2011 05:04 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
A demolishingcriticism
See: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196881.240
See posts in the above URL in Re: Thousands of Birds and Fish
Dropping Dead Across Multiple States
Also note URL list of events in the above, and quoted below. If this
is real then it seems to be highly anomalous.
Quote:
- -
Correctio -- I should say, 36 -- 216 kg/hour H2...
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
a challenge for skeptics -- hidden H2 source would have to supply
36--216 kg H2 to make Rossi heat: Rich Murray 2011.01.18
[ Rich Murray: 100 to 600 more than the
Welcome back to the fray, Horace! Its been about 9 months since your last
postings...
Glad you didn't decide to join Richard for a drink yet...
Wow, your extensive compilation is overwhelming!
Are all of those incidents within the last few weeks?
A few days ago I read an article that stated
Thanks for the lively counter-arguments!
Say, was or was not the demo on the same table in the same corner in
the same room in the same huge industrial building within which tests
have been run over and over in recent months?...
High voltages allow much thinner wires to carry the same energy
When used for heating in homes, the device delivers very probably hot water.
In the case of the experiment, the flow of the water was seemingly limited
by the pump (we don't know its performance characteristics), the connection
tube, the cooling space. Cooling water moves in pipe with maximum 2-3
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:13:24 -0800 (PST):
Hi,
[snip]
Jed wrote:
Rossi believes the temperature at the core is 1500°C. As I mentioned
here,
Ed thinks that is impossible because it is above the melting point of
nickel.
Where does Rossi actually say it's
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:30:47 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
He also says that he has run with a COP up to 400+.
If he's run with the input shut off, as other statements of his imply,
then he's run with a COP of infinity.
[snip]
He still needs some power to
In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:18:11 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
I am finally caught up with reading all the postings, and I fully expected
someone to have pointed
out the obvious way to stop a runaway condition... Shut off the hydrogen!!
Has it not been said
NUMEROUS times
In reply to Rich Murray's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:25:31 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
3. Gold wires carry much more power than Cu wires...
Gold is not as good a conductor as copper. Silver is slightly better.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:11:04 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
On 01/14/2011 05:04 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
A demolishing criticism
http://scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2010/11/16/grandiose-crackpottery-proves-pi4/
of Miles Mathis, particularly on his paper about Pi
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