On 11/12/2011 11:50 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
I think Steorn stumbled upon a real anomally but they erred in
assuming that measurement alone was sufficient to demonstrate the
reality of energy creation.
Since there seems to still be some belief around here that Steorn
stumbled upon a real
The web site belongs to Leonardo Corp. It matters not who wrote the
words as long as they are the words of the web site owner. You again
attempt to cast into doubt credibility of Rossi and statements made on
the Leonardo web site by involving the credibility of an unknown writer.
Mary you do
Am 12.11.2011 04:36, schrieb Berke Durak:
The three-page public report states that 3716 liters of water have
been vaporized.
1) Is 3716 liters the difference in the quantity of water contained in
the reservoirs before and after the demonstration?
2) Was this water mostly released to the air,
Aussie, I too have hard time to think what could be the motivation for
Mary to do what she is doing, because there could not be any positive
outcome for her. If eCat is for real, like it seems to be, then Mary
just loses all the credibility and is required to change her name if
she is ever going
Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2011 at 6:22 AM
Dear Italo:
This is not yet our official website, contains many errors to be
corrected, contains wrong names in wrong places. It needs a lot of
corrections, so pèlease disregard it for at least three days.
A.R.
#
Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2011 at
On 12 Nov 2011, at 01:39, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing wrong with old programmers and old engineers. Cut by first code on a
8008 system that I designed and built. Had a whole 256 bytes of ram. Put the
program in with switches. Now that is old code.
Do you still
The officiate annouces the website is unofficially official.
Harry
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:44 AM, David ledin
mathematic.analy...@gmail.comwrote:
Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2011 at 6:22 AM
Dear Italo:
This is not yet our official website, contains many errors to be
corrected, contains
Latest Rossi-ism:
- Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2011 at 8:57
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=32#comment-117146
WARNING: THE WEBSITE
http://WWW.LEONARDO-ECAT.COMhttp://www.leonardo-ecat.com/IS NOT OUR
WEBSITE. IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED, IT IS A DRAFT OF A
He meant this is not the final version.
2011/11/12 David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com
Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2011 at 6:22 AM
Dear Italo:
This is not yet our official website, contains many errors to be
corrected, contains wrong names in wrong places. It needs a lot of
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:12 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote:
Someone at Ecatnews.com pointed out that the web site is so bad that
someone left in this name:
Prof. George Kelly (University of New Hampshire – USA)
That is a throw back to Rossi's board of directors for his silly
blog he pretends
They have now modified their site.
References to National Instruments are removed, so far I can see.
Also the references to
http://pesn.com/2011/11/10/9601953_National_Instruments_signs_to_do_E-Cat_controls/
are removed.
Am 12.11.2011 12:44, schrieb David ledin:
Andrea Rossi
November 12th,
Peter Heckert
Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:20:47 -0800
- Original Message -
Nevertheless only 50% of all e-cats where used finally.
ALL of the Oct 28 test is Rossi said... : but I don't recall him or anyone
else saying that. Is a deduction that there were two pipes, but only one was
used?
I
Am 12.11.2011 22:59, schrieb Peter Heckert:
They have now modified their site.
References to National Instruments are removed, so far I can see.
Also the references to
http://pesn.com/2011/11/10/9601953_National_Instruments_signs_to_do_E-Cat_controls/
are removed.
Oops it is still here under
http://www.blongerbros.com/gang/rag.asp
Vivid details on extremely cunning, well organized, intricate street scam
to catch wealthy tourists one by one within a web of fake stock market
speculation in the 1920's... an education for me...
You seem to be suggesting that there is something fundamentally different
about Rossi's Ni nanopowder compared to the nanopowder cells of Arata and
Miles, or the Ni cells of Patterson or Piantelli. I do not see any gigantic
differences. The claims seem mutually supportive to me, and to
Am 12.11.2011 21:17, schrieb Alan Fletcher:
Peter Heckert
Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:20:47 -0800
- Original Message -
Nevertheless only 50% of all e-cats where used finally.
ALL of the Oct 28 test is Rossi said... : but I don't recall him or anyone
else saying that. Is a deduction that
Hello! Welcome to AptyeryxOz
*Ever wondered what life would be like if electricity cost next to nothing
to generate and the resulting products from the actual generation (The
ashes) was essentially household copper.*
*What if the component materials used to create the heat required to
generate
This must be another name for the fraud complex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome\
quote:The impostor syndrome, in which competent people find it impossible
to believe in their own competence, can be viewed as complementary to
the Dunning–Kruger
effect
See:
http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/safetyandsecurity/reports/special-report-on-the-nuclear-accident-at-the-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-station
(Download link on right)
Description:
Special Report on the Nuclear Accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear
Power Station
This must be him, Dr. George E. Kelly of the Department of Energy...
The user Rembrandt, found here:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7942
asked Rossi this question:
Guest: Who is Prof. George Kelly (University of New Hampshire, USA) is
on your board of advisors? (The university doesn’t seem to
Quite frankly, The fact that Allan seems to posses what many might consider
less than well vetted reports is irrelevant to the discussion of his reporting
on Rossi. This was another dispicaple example of krivit exploiting the
investigative content and style of an individual practicing the same
Here we agree Mary. Both Sterling and Rossi must wear the cost of this
stuff-up.
AG
On 11/13/2011 2:59 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Latest Rossi-ism:
*
Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2011 at 8:57 AM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=32#comment-117146
WARNING: THE
WOW! That's much stupider than the Sprain measurement error.
Thanks, I feel much better now.
T
See:
http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/safetyandsecurity/reports/special-report-on-the-nuclear-accident-at-the-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-station
(Download link on right)
Description:
Special Report on the Nuclear Accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear
Power Station
Like everything I build it was a work in progress and was continually
evolving. The switch panel went when I got an old teletype. Was so
excited that I had a printer and real keyboard. The system code was then
about 1 k. The last work I did on that system involved designing in a
video terminal
Half cocked, as usual.
- Jed
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
You seem to be suggesting that there is something fundamentally different
about Rossi's Ni nanopowder compared to the nanopowder cells of Arata and
Miles, or the Ni cells of Patterson or Piantelli. . . .
What I am suggesting is that the evidence for
What I find funny, is Rossi can write and author great English when he wants
to, and then at other times he writes like this... funny..
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Latest Rossi-ism:
- Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2011 at 8:57
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi: I do not know him well. I met him ten years ago when I made a
test of a Seebeck Effect apparatus in the UNH. Anybody can enter in the
Board Of Advisers of the Journal Of Nuclear Physics . . .
It is necessary
to be a University Professor in
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:09 AM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote:
On 11/12/2011 11:50 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
I think Steorn stumbled upon a real anomally but they erred in assuming
that measurement alone was sufficient to demonstrate the reality of energy
creation.
Since there seems to
Am 12.11.2011 08:12, schrieb Mary Yugo:
Yikes!
Defamation would be: Rossi is a scammer
Whats if we say Rossi is a master scammer ;-)
A personal opinion and perfectly legal: Rossi may be a scammer (also
he may not be one). Freedom of speech on that one, I think.
Really -- I had this issue
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
The upper pipe was not measured and had no (visible) control mechanism.
If the final customer was not aware about this possibility, he could have
been fooled.
How long would the customer be fooled? No corporation would give Rossi $2
million
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Even if it is a loss, why is one direction better at turning motion into
heat?
Conventional theory predicts the same loss.
Everyone believes the repulsive force should be the same as the
attractive force between
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is why Brady finally was convicted at court in munich.
The Perendev motor operates in repulsion mode. Magnets in repulsion
degrade over time; so, assuming it did work as the videos imply, it
would not last.
T
It matters not who the web site administrator is or who typed the text
on the pages. The web site is owned by Leonardo Corp, it is their
official web site and any pages there are approved and binding on that
corporation.
So stop with the Sterling references. It does not matter and has no
Swedish Public Radio Turns Spotlight on Lewan and Ny Teknik
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/12/swedish-public-radio-turns-spotlight-on-lewan-and-ny-teknik/
[Thanks to KHM and PT for translation improvement]
The idea that we will one day be able to provide us with cheap, simple and
Am 13.11.2011 00:40, schrieb Terry Blanton:
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Peter Heckertpeter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is why Brady finally was convicted at court in munich.
To avoid misunderstanding: He was not convicted, because the motors did
not work.
He had some witnesses that the
Jed,
Il giorno 12/nov/2011 02:26, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Digging in to the html code, the headers tell it all about quality...
made with FrontPage software that was discontinued in 2003!
I do not see why that
Passed moderation (pretty quickly) It was in reply to : (google translate)
Embarrassing prestige, Lewan! The media scrutiny of Ny Teknik hype of an
incomparable Mackaper makes me even more hesitant development of the editorial
content of the magazine. Is not it annoying that the NT often writes
Available on-line:
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/Products/1MW_Plant/1MW_Offer_Template.docx
mic
The average temperature of steam flowing out of the pipe is reported
as 104.5 degrees.
The average temperature of the water input is reported as 18.3
degrees.
The reservoir capacity is less than a cubic meter, therefore its
contents went a couple times through the reactor.
If the reservoir
Am 13.11.2011 01:47, schrieb Berke Durak:
The average temperature of steam flowing out of the pipe is reported
as 104.5 degrees.
The average temperature of the water input is reported as 18.3
degrees.
The reservoir capacity is less than a cubic meter, therefore its
contents went a couple times
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
A. Final note
There is a big difference between your efforts on http://www.lenr-canr.organd
the e-cat site. The first is a service to the community, the other is
for selling goods.
What is wrong with selling goods?!?
Do you have some
In Allan's case he performed no crime other than simply reporting on the
alleged Obama event. IMHO, Allan showed professionalism by NOT adding his
own personal thoughts and personal beliefs on the matter.
So let's see. If I send a report to Allan about my pink, invisible, flying
unicorns that
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Peter Heckert
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Am 13.11.2011 01:47, schrieb Berke Durak:
Even if only water flowed through the pipe, and even if we assume
that its temperature was actually only 100 degrees, then at least
1.17 GJ of energy would be required. The
Peter Heckert's post is interesting! But I still don't think Rossi can
even get a law suit heard in the United States if I were to call him a
scammer which of course I have not done. I said he *may* be scamming.
That isn't really arguable (and also it doesn't say much).
What is wrong with
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
The Perendev motor operates in repulsion mode. Magnets in repulsion
degrade over time; so, assuming it did work as the videos imply, it
would not last.
Im not an magnet expert, but I think the degradation of modern
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
The upper pipe was not measured and had no (visible) control mechanism.
If the final customer was not aware about this possibility, he could have
been fooled.
How long would the customer be fooled? No corporation would give Rossi $2
million
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote:
If we assume only a small amount was vaporized and the major amount
of water was neither heated nor vaporized and flew back through the
second pipe, then excess energy is not required.
So you say no water was heated now? Do you have any basis for
Whoopee. I have to rush to put up an order form for my pink, invisible
flying unicorns that make free energy. When you can name and preferably
interview a customer, that sort of news will become interesting.
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
This post, among others, violates the rules of this community. You are
using too much irony and scorn. And I am not the first to note that.
Where are the moderators of this forum?
2011/11/12 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
Whoopee. I have to rush to put up an order form for my pink, invisible
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
So let's see. If I send a report to Allan about my pink, invisible,
flying unicorns that eat nickel and fart hydrogen he should report that
too? I disagree. I think a journalist must use judgement in choosing what
to report.
I agree. It was silly for
Of course Mr Rossi won't let anyone look inside the eCat : until he has
world-wide patents he must protect it as a trade secret. But he has invited
several teams of scientists to conduct calorimetric tests to measure the
excess energy, using their own instruments. In particular, Lewan brought
Whoopee. I have to rush to put up an order form for my pink, invisible flying
unicorns that make free energy. And I suppose that if they DIDN'T have an
order form then that would be proof that they weren't actually offering to
sell the 1MW system. (Did I violate any excessive sarcasm
I'm beginning to see why you've been banned from so many forums. Why was that
again?
PS: the Bacardi company recently reported that I was a customer and
their rum is to blame for any typographical erroars hereinn.
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
This post, among others, violates the rules of this community. You are
using too much irony and scorn. And I am not the first to note that.
Where are the moderators of this forum?
There is only one: Bill Beaty.
Perhaps Mary Yugo has gone a little
That's unconscionable. I can give examples if you like but I'd rather
not waste more space. . . .
Please do. That would not be a waste of space. You tend to make blanket
accusations without specifics. Let's hear some specifics. It may be that
what you consider unethical, others consider
2011/11/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
So let's see. If I send a report to Allan about my pink, invisible,
flying unicorns that eat nickel and fart hydrogen he should report that
too? I disagree. I think a journalist must use judgement in
Krivit seems to have good contacts who are willing to talk to him,
including some at the U of Bologna and U of Uppsala and many scientists who
work in cold fusion and LENR.
So do I. As far as I know, the people in Bologna and Uppsala have been
telling Krivit just the opposite of what he
OK then, and thanks for the heads up. Let me put it another way:
That Rossi provides an order blank is in no way any evidence that he has
ever taken an order, accepted money for a device, actually delivered a
device or that filling in the order will get you anything more than not
doing so.
I never even checked the site out to find all this stuff -- however, I'm
tolerant of really weird claims, because at least they introduce a bit of
openness within our overwrought 3D space 1D time virtual reality
simulation, within fabulous single entire unified creative fractal
hyperinfinity...
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course nothing. But there is a lot wrong with misleading and deceptive
advertising.
Rossi has not done any advertising as far as I know. Perhaps you are
talking about Steorn.
Also with saying you sold something when you didn't.
Do you have any
That seems unlikely to work. I may have missed it (it's not my field)
but I don't know of any proven and properly tested and documented catalysts
that facilitate fusion or any other nuclear reaction.Do the other
claims involve catalysts?
Yes, I think most experts would say they
Not everything there is a scam. At least one is not, which is plasma focus,
which they frequently feature among the top 5 and is based in an old
technology. But they never claimed overunity, just 1/10 of the input
energy, in the form of neutrons. Actually, a few of their shots is enough
to
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
That Rossi provides an order blank is in no way any evidence that he has
ever taken an order, accepted money for a device, actually delivered a
device or that filling in the order will get you anything more than not
doing so.
How could an order form do
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course nothing. But there is a lot wrong with misleading and
deceptive advertising.
Rossi has not done any advertising as far as I know. Perhaps you are
talking about
You seem to have some difficulty with logic.
No. It seems that you are disregarding the original intent of the link to
the order form. It was to suggest that Rossi is legitimate and his device
is real because such a form is available. It was implied that now, for
sure, properly qualified
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Not everything there is a scam. At least one is not, which is plasma
focus, which they frequently feature among the top 5 and is based in an old
technology. But they never claimed overunity, just 1/10 of the input
2011/11/13 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com:
It is harmful to our society to have people believing that you
can run a car on water without fuel or even that adding on-board
electrolysis to an internal combustion engine will somehow magically double
it's mileage figures.
That is egoistic
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:03:26 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
What happens when two people with the complementary syndrome walk into a
bar?... ;)
Harry
...free energy in the form of hot air. ;)
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
err-roars here-inn ?
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I'm beginning to see why you've been banned from so many forums.
Why was that again?
PS: the Bacardi company recently reported that I was a customer and their
rum is to blame for any typographical
In reply to Mary Yugo's message of Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:54:31 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
What I am suggesting is that the evidence for Rossi's claims is scant and
his *modus operandi *is suspicious. I don't know the details of the other
claims. Rossi claims a secret sauce catalyst. That seems unlikely
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I think most experts would say they do.
That I would like to know more about. It should be easy to show -- add
the catalyst and get evidence for a nuclear reaction namely neutrons and/or
radiation.
This test
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure but it really is a waste of space. Here are some of the idiotic
nonsense actively promoted on Sterling's pages... as if Obama going to
Mars alone wasn't enough. Tell you what-- rather than my boring everyone,
choose from the list here:
I can understand the patent office denying cold fusion as a source of
energy. As I understand it there is never enough ash to explain the amount
of heat being claimed but, the patent they granted to Haisch and Moddel was
based on manipulation of Casimir effect instead of catalytic action and the
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
wrote:
Even if it is a loss, why is one direction better at turning motion
into
heat?
Conventional theory predicts the same loss.
Everyone
If someone wanted to buy the current E-Cat manifestation for anything other
than debunking or reverse engineering, what would that look like? (Assuming
that the technology is 100% real and has a COP of 6. I'm skeptical, but think
this could be a fun intellectual exercise)
Current Cats produce
After watching the available footage and looking at the pictures of
the Oct. 28th demo, I have
just drawn a diagram of the system as I think it was that day.
http://i.imgur.com/Ipn7W.png
Please report any inaccuracies or misuse of engineering symbols.
--
Berke Durak
While considering the fabrication of my Ni-H cell, several points
concerning the Door Knob Rossi LENR reactor have come to light.
1) Rossi used a wrap around external heater to bring the core up to
operational temperature.
2) This external heater could not be the source of the necessary
I believe Rossi or someone said the genset was rated at 300 kva and they
had a spare on site, in case the prime genset failed.
AG
On 11/13/2011 4:44 PM, Berke Durak wrote:
After watching the available footage and looking at the pictures of
the Oct. 28th demo, I have
just drawn a diagram of
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe Rossi or someone said the genset was rated at 300 kva and
they had a spare on site, in case the prime genset failed.
I see only one genset in the pictures: the big orange one that is
visible in the
On 11/13/2011 1:39 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Even if it is a loss, why is one direction better at turning motion
into heat?
Conventional theory predicts the same loss.
This is a good question because I have heard the same claim - that of an
energy discrepancy which is different if you rotate it
That is interesting as I'm sure I read / heard they were both 300 kva
gensets. There should be power and control cables going into the E-Cat
container.
AG
On 11/13/2011 4:55 PM, Berke Durak wrote:
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
There should be power and control cables going into the E-Cat
container.
Right, added as a single power/control line. (I don't want
to clutter the diagram -- maybe a separate electrical diagram is
warranted.)
Jwinter,
I have a print-out of Steorn's report dated Oct. 31, 2008. At the moment I
can't locate the pdf file, but I downloaded it from their website two or
three years ago, and the name Mr. Rice does not appear in this report. The
title is _Asymmetry and Energy in Magnetic Systems_. It includes
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I'm beginning to see why you've been banned from so many forums.
Sorry, I don't keep track. How many was that and which ones if you know?
And were they all run by fervent believers in Rossi?
If you don't know which ones and
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I think most experts would say they do.
That I would like to know more about. It should be easy to show -- add
the catalyst and get
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