[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd. has signed the €500,000 w/ Department of Physics Univ Bologna

2011-11-26 Thread Andrea Selva
Nobody saw the contract in details. We have just the announcement in the University web site but rumors tell that there is an expiration date. If not activated before 31-1-2012 the contract gets void. 2011/11/26 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ahsoka Tano

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd. has signed the €500,000 w/ Department of Physics Univ Bologna

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.11.2011 01:46, schrieb Ahsoka Tano: According to this Italian article, the deed is done. Isn't this proof that there was a buyer of the mega-eCat and that Rossi has the money to sign the contract with UniBol? The entrepreneur Andrea Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd.,

Re: [Vo]:How to make a clean blackboxtest for thermal overunity.

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.11.2011 01:38, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Its so simple. A Black Box Test must be made like this: Energy in -- [Blackbox] -- Energy out.SNIP Exactly as you say in your

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-26 Thread Berke Durak
Here is what happened. Before the test, the e-Cats are empty of H2. They weighted the bottle on the scale. The reading was 13606.4 g. This is consistent with previous weighthings, since the bottle was at 13606.9 g on Oct. 6th. They then pressed the zero button, leaving the bottle on the

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-26 Thread Berke Durak
Sorry I meant diameter. The inner DIAMETER of tubing would have to be 2.66 - 3 mm. -- Berke Durak

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.11.2011 12:57, schrieb Berke Durak: So they had to add the initial mass and the difference, and that's where they fucked up, adding -1.7 g instead of -1.7 kg. Happens all the time. They even wrote down kg instead of g. Obviously, they didn't have a 13 ton hydrogen bottle, right? Doesnt

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.11.2011 13:04, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 26.11.2011 12:57, schrieb Berke Durak: So they had to add the initial mass and the difference, and that's where they fucked up, adding -1.7 g instead of -1.7 kg. Happens all the time. They even wrote down kg instead of g. Obviously, they didn't

[Vo]:Cold Fusion on the Science Blogs Channel

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Gluck
See please: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/11/cold_fusion_is_it_possible_is.php?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+ScienceblogsChannelEnvironment+%28ScienceBlogs+Channel+%3A+Environment%29 -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
The question is, how did they measure the energy input? This is not documented. This colonel engineer confuses kg and g. He measures a hydrogen consumtion of 1.7000 kg and dont write down all significant digits. Then he subtracts this from a value that means gramm. but is mistakenly labeled as

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Rich Murray
crisply summarizes a lot of the critical evaluation by Cude, Heffner, and Murray... elementary over estimation of excess heat by Rossi in all his demos... thanks to Mary Yugo and the original source 123star -- https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=nm#inbox/133dbc70ac37ba45 123star November 23,

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-26 Thread Marcello Vitale
Thanks, Peter, fantastic citation [begin citation] Coherence of particles by radio waves is an obscure phenomenon that is not well understood even today. Recent experiments with particle coherers seem to have confirmed the hypothesis that the particles cohere by a micro-weld phenomenon caused by

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

2011-11-26 Thread Rich Murray
a legitimate theoretical speculation and possibly valid lines of actual evidence are given by astrophysicist Robert Foot and a few collaborators for about a decade for mirror matter, which interacts fully with itself, but only about a part in a million with ordinary matter for electromagnetic

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd. has signed the €500,000 w/ Department of Physics Univ Bologna

2011-11-26 Thread Marcello Vitale
Sorry, the article does not yet say that the money has been paid. The contract is still the same we know about. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Ahsoka Tano ashot...@gmail.com wrote: ** According to this Italian article, the deed is done. Isn't this proof that there was a buyer of the

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Lynn
I do not doubt that Rossi's device works, but I have a lot of doubts over his power output because his demos are so useless. He is claiming 100kW/kg output levels, while Miley appears to be closer to 10kW/kg levels (IIRC 30g 200W). But given the 8:1 steam to water ratio enthalpy ratio it is

[Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-26 Thread David Roberson
It has been suggested that it is not possible to obtain the rapid increase in output power measured for the Rossi ECATs. The reason stated is that the core would have to have its temperature multiplied by a factor of 6 or so to deliver the needed power. This belief is based upon a

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:11 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Horace, please take a small amount of your time to explain the effect Horace hibernates this time of year. It might be a while before he sees this. You might try sending a message to him directly:

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: I do not doubt that Rossi's device works, but I have a lot of doubts over his power output because his demos are so useless. He is claiming 100kW/kg output levels, while Miley appears to be closer to 10kW/kg levels (IIRC 30g 200W). But given

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

2011-11-26 Thread Berke Durak
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Doesnt happen to a Nato Colonel with 30 years of experience. These guys are topfit, far above average. Are you seriously claiming that a category of people doesn't make mistakes? -- Berke Durak

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Berke Durak
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: The question is, how did they measure the energy input? This is not documented. Were you being sarcastic? I'll assume you weren't. To answer your first question, it is not documented but it seems quite obvious. The

RE: [Vo]:Overview of (Ahern) Vibronic Energy Technologies Approach

2011-11-26 Thread pagnucco
I am not sure if it's relevant or what it's worth, but in the following paper - Anomalous Nuclear Phenomena Assocoated with Ultrafast Processes www.iscmns.org/asti06/jianglaoshi2.pdf - the authors speculate on whether the concept of torsion field contributes to the LENR phenomena they observed

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: The power was entirely supplied by a diesel generator. The diesel generator had a fuel level meter or an electricity meter built-in . . . They used the built in meters in the generator (genset). He uses decimal point and decimal , alternating in

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be happier when you guys come up with real arguments and not silly I don't like his handwriting! arguments. Sure. The argument against the October 28 test is that the customer is anonymous and who Fioravanti

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.11.2011 19:49, schrieb Jed Rothwell: I have heard they wrote the document in Italian and then translated it. People often make mistakes like this. In the document by Brattain you can see he made a correction on the second page and then crossed it out, where it says 5.4 x 10^-7 Watts:

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:11 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Horace hibernates this time of year. Speaking about hibernation, there could be a contest to make the best caption for this image:

[Vo]:Private showing right after the 1 M test

2011-11-26 Thread Horace Heffner
This is said by the poster, MassimoBolognaItaly, to be a private showing right after the 1 MW test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nCN_-ZgMw This raises some obvious questions. Who are the people shown in the first few seconds of the video? Is the security guard attempting to protect

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:11 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Horace hibernates this time of year. Speaking

[Vo]:got permission to send

2011-11-26 Thread fznidarsic
Any Vorts who want a copy of my article in Science and Society winter addition. Write to me I will send pdf. I know Jones will come down on me for saying this, however, it is one of the greatest works in 100 years. Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: There are several other words crossed out. By the logic of the skeptics here, this proves that transistors do not exist. No. I know the difference between a notepad and an undersigned document. That was not a notepad. It was the experiment log. It

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread David Roberson
Berke, they do not have anything else to come up with in their effort to discredit Rossi and his system. It is sad to see them resort to this level of criticism. Dave -Original Message- From: Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011

RE: [Vo]:got permission to send

2011-11-26 Thread Jones Beene
Hey Frank, Please don't get me wrong. I wish you all the success possible, and I will not be negative towards your hypothesis in any way- if and when if it can be shown to work predicatively. Maybe that is too much to ask. However, the last 100 years does cover a lot of prime territory in

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

2011-11-26 Thread David Roberson
Horace, I have suggested that your FEA program would be able to demonstrate the time domain operation of the scam ECATs. I assumed that you have device temperature as a function of x,y,z and t so that we can observe the expected operation of the ECATs. Could you confirm that this is true?

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion on the Science Blogs Channel -- Rossi Fooled Defkalion

2011-11-26 Thread Alan Fletcher
Links to http://ecatnews.com/?p=1428 which says Rossi fooled defkalion (not his words) and quotes http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=14#comment-129538 • Hampus November 24th, 2011 at 5:53 AM Hi Rossi When will the experiment in Bologna and Uppsala university start? and

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: This colonel engineer confuses kg and g. False. The correct sentence would be : This coloned engineer CONFUSED kg and g. That is, he made a mistake in the report. You can't claim with a straight face that he doesn't know a gram from a

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I am sure they will continue to assert that Fioravanti does not know the difference between grams and kilograms for as long as this dispute lasts, until Rossi is either accepted by the mass media, or forgotten.

[Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
Krivit provides details of the deal Rossi refused from Celani: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/26/rossi-declines-italian-and-u-s-government-testing-offers/ The terms appear extremely reasonable and the cost is very low, especially for someone who just sold a $2 million plant and is

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion on the Science Blogs Channel -- Rossi Fooled Defkalion

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Yup. This has been noted here, but it is worth pointing out again. Rossi has gone to extremes this time. Or if he is right, Defkalion has to be engaged in a gigantic fraud. I see no middle ground here. No possibility of a misunderstanding. I hope we find out on Monday, when Defkalion says they

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Mary wrote: »Krivit provides details of the deal Rossi refused from Celani» Like it is typical for Krivit, he did not provide any details but silly, arrogant and misinformed pseudopsychological speculations that are stated as facts. Krivit has already lost his scientific credibility and ability

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming that's a correct quote by and from Celani, my reaction would be: Too late, Mr. Rossi? You mean you don't have any copper E-cats lying around Celani could test? No extra Ottoman modules? Of course he has them. Don't be silly. He is making more

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: That's part of the same fuck-up. Then he subtracts this from a value that means gramm. but is mistakenly labeled as kg. That's part of the same fuck-up. In the 15 or some odd years, I have never seen anyone use this

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
I think it is wrong to ask Rossi for a test. If the test is successful he is the only one who wins and if it is not successful, he is the only one who loses. Because he will not reveal the catalyst, science has no advantage from it. Others do credible say they have good results without catalyst

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: He has said quite clearly, time after time, that he will do not more testing. NO more testing. I seem to make that mistake both typing and with voice input. Scary. Rossi may be a master at indirection at McKubre says, but he could not make himself clearer about this issue. McKubre,

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

2011-11-26 Thread Bastiaan Bergman
All, Thanks for your input, I updated the paper to incorporate most of your comments. @Aussie Thanks; @Peter I maintain that Rossi forced the current big breakthrough, whether it is just an additive or not. I agree with you that it is fair to mention Piantelli and Focardi as founders and

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Kullander and Essen have said, their stipulation for a test is that they may publish the results. If not, they will not do a test. That's good. I am glad they said that. It means he will cancel the test, but I agree with Heckert that a university

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 14:43 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: I'm sure someone will explain it and make excuses for Rossi. If it's not a correct quote, I'd expect Celani to deny he wrote or said it and Rossi to correct it. What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test? He's

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 27.11.2011 00:35, schrieb Jed Rothwell: If he succeeds he will give humanity a greater gift than any inventor in history, so we will have nothing to complain about. He will give to humanity a large fangroup and legends that will grow over time If he fails, he will hurt himself more than

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote: What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test? The advantage would be that people would believe him. If he did not want to be believed, why has he gone through all the demonstrations he has

RE: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton And, on behalf of Vortex-l, I apologize to Mary Yugo and any other ladies who might be participating or lurking. Well, cough-cough ... before yugo overboard g don't forget that screen names are essentially genderless. For years on the hydrino

Re: [Vo]:Krivit Reads another report backwards.

2011-11-26 Thread Alan Fletcher
Rossi Story: Corriere di Bologna Gets it Wrong http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/26/rossi-story-corriere-di-bologna-gets-it-wrong/ No they didn't. It says it will start within weeks on receipt of the first installment.

Re: [Vo]:got permission to send

2011-11-26 Thread fznidarsic
Dr Jones, as Rossi would say, NO! Frank Z -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 12:03 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:got permission to send Hey Frank, Please don’t get mewrong. I wish you all the success possible,

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 15:55 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: On another note: I went over to 116 S. River Rd, in Bedford, NH, yesterday. There is a small business park there with about 15 companies listed, but no Leonardo Corporation is in the directory, and

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
What Mary is describing is the only rational course of action. What Rossi is doing is what a scam artist would do. Giovanni On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote: What would be the

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: For years on the hydrino group - a well-known scientist and University Professor - Dr. John Connet used the screen name Nora Barron, for whatever reason. Yes, I was following the group at that time. And I do remember

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: What Mary is describing is the only rational course of action. What Rossi is doing is what a scam artist would do And, in your opinion, how does this scam artist profit from the alleged scam? T

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; ) he has tried and failed before... G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: What Mary is describing is the only

Re: [Vo]:Krivit Reads another report backwards.

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Rossi Story: Corriere di Bologna Gets it Wrong http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/26/rossi-story-corriere-di-bologna-gets-it-wrong/ No they didn't. It says it will start within weeks on receipt of the first

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Berke Durak
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: In the 15 or some odd years, I have never seen anyone use this word on this forum.  If English is not your first language, you might understand that this in inappropriate for this forum.  I invite you to seek a more

Re: [Vo]:got permission to send

2011-11-26 Thread fznidarsic
For those of you who do not understand my paper or why I believe it is important, I recommend these two videos. http://www.hulu.com/watch/135528/milestones-in-science-and-engineering-max-planck-and-quantum-physics#s-p2-sr-i0

Re: [Vo]:got permission to send

2011-11-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
These videos are not available outside USA and Japan. I cannot watch them. 2011/11/26 fznidar...@aol.com For those of you who do not understand my paper or why I believe it is important, I recommend these two videos.

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: What Mary is describing is the only rational course of action. What Rossi is doing is what a scam artist would do And, in your

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: PS. How about a ban on ad hominem attacks and unsusbtantiated accusations or insinuations of scam or incompetence? The possibility of Rossi's E-cat being a scam has been widely discussed all over the internet and is a

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; ) he has tried and failed before... For all you naive people out there, you don't walk away with €2,000,000 of someone's money and remain a public entity . .

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 27.11.2011 01:39, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; ) he has tried and failed before... G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: The scammer protects himself with non-disclosure agreements and with strong disclaimers saying the work being paid for is best effort only and every investment including this one has significant risk including losing all

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, I'm shocked. Yes, the f-word offends me, too. I was only trying to protect your virtue. ;-) T

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: He sells. Mike Brady did never make a documented successful demonstration. So, Peter, my dear yo-yo friend, can you document how many Perendev motors that Brady actually sold? T

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 27.11.2011 02:15, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Peter Heckertpeter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: He sells. Mike Brady did never make a documented successful demonstration. So, Peter, my dear yo-yo friend, can you document how many Perendev motors that Brady actually

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around... G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote: Am 27.11.2011 02:15, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I am not everybodys dear friend. Well, consider me a dear friend unless something changes. Why not be patient and see what actually happens. Are you new to all this CF stuff? I am not and I have been yo-yo-ed more

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around... Agreed. I did not specifically speak of scammers. I spoke only of an

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Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
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2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
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Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around... Those people who buy, are not those who kill. There are easier ways for such criminals to get money

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote: Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around... Those people who

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
Terry, take a moment and google and review the cases of: Bedini Dennis Lee Sniffex (and it's $100 million lethal successors such as the ADE651, GT200, H3 Tec, HEDD1, AL-6D) Perendev Mylow Jeff Otto Carl Tilley Aviso Any scam of the day at peswiki.com (Sterling cycles them through more than once a

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
new fingers? G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote: Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around...

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 27.11.2011 02:38, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Charles Hope
Rossi is a businessman who wants to make money. Solid testing would be awesome marketing but he doesn't want to attract attention, yet he invites AP reporters to observe tests. He doesn't need black box tests because he already has customers, and though a satisfied customer is the best

[Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Craig Haynie
A little digging and this comes up: 1) Karl Norwood owns a real estate company named the Norwood Group and the office property at 116 S River Rd, Bedford, NH, belongs to him. http://www.nainorwoodgroup.com/propdocs/116%20South%20River%20Road% 20Building%20A.pdf 2) Karl Norwood is president of

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, take a moment and google and review the cases of: snip Do you live in a world of blissful innocence in which everyone is honest and you can believe what they say simply because they say it? Dearest Mary, I have

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: A little digging and this comes up: SNIP This doesn't mean that anything sinister is going on. It's just that I had thought that he was building the e-cats here. Good investigative job. Not sinister maybe but

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Charles Hope
On Nov 26, 2011, at 21:07, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: 5) The registered address for the Leonardo Corporation is 8 Town Farm Rd, New Boston, NH. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 And there's nothing there. What does this mean? There's no

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
There is this house.

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Charles Hope
On Nov 26, 2011, at 19:52, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: . Actually, some women will find your statement offensive - are ladies precious flowers unable to speak up for themselves and that should be protected from vulgar language? Absolutely. And American ladies never, ever use

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
He moved his US operation to Miami. We have been through this. If you are really interested, I will find my posts from 10 months ago. The bulk of his work is in Italy to avoid the evil eye of the DOE. Can anyone answer the question of why the DOE even exists? Why was it created? Anyone? Or

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 21:15 -0500, Charles Hope wrote: On Nov 26, 2011, at 21:07, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: 5) The registered address for the Leonardo Corporation is 8 Town Farm Rd, New Boston, NH. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 And

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: 6) The equipment on the website at www.leonardocorp1996.com seems to be something from Bologna, It. It's actually quite funny.  Supposedly, this company I never heard of before the Rossi affairs, supposdely sells

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. And American ladies never, ever use foul language. We maintain them as creatures of proper breeding and pleasant temperament. You really must try one some time. They're the envy of all the world.

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: He moved his US operation to Miami. He has a factory in Miami? Where? I might be able to drop by on a trip and get some clandestine photos if you can get a for sure location.

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test? The advantage would be that people would believe him. If he did not want to be believed, why has he gone through all the demonstrations he has done thus far with invited guests

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: He has a factory in Miami?  Where?  I might be able to drop by on a trip and get some clandestine photos if you can get a for sure location. Well, whether you go to heaven or hell, you have to transfer in Atlanta. Give me

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread ecat builder
The registered address is the physical address for the Agent for the company, which can receive corporate mail on behalf of the corporation. In this case, the agent is Travis, James R, at 8 Town Farm Rd. He is an agent for multiple corporations. Lots of small companies set up a business this

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Mary wrote: »Krivit provides details of the deal Rossi refused from Celani» Like it is typical for Krivit, he did not provide any details but silly, arrogant and misinformed pseudopsychological speculations that are

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Also Rossi *already* got money described as a significant part of the equation from Ampenergo. The link (again at least the fifth time) is here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece As McKubre noted in his lecture,

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Seems I have both you and Jed to talk for creating the www.lenr-canr.org web site. Yes it is a treasure trove of information and yes it did help to convince me and several others that Ni-H LENR reaction are real. Well done guys. I'm sure many other do appreciate the effort and the results. AG

[Vo]:Early help from Terry Blanton and others

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I wish to thank Jed Rothwell who asked for help building the LENR-CANR.org web site. He needed help with getting the documents in a format that could be posted on his site. I and my secretary had some time available and we worked on some of the

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Map here: http://www.leonardocorp1996.com/dove_eng.htm AG On 11/27/2011 12:37 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: A little digging and this comes up: 1) Karl Norwood owns a real estate company named the Norwood Group and the office property at 116 S River Rd, Bedford, NH, belongs to him.

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Seems I have both you and Jed to talk for creating the www.lenr-canr.org web site. No no no. Jed created the web site and pays the bills. This is Jed's web site! He called for assistance on the initial

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corporation is a Paper Company

2011-11-26 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 18:28 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: He moved his US operation to Miami. He has a factory in Miami? Where? I might be able to drop by on a trip and get some clandestine photos if you can get a for sure

Re: [Vo]:got permission to send

2011-11-26 Thread ecat builder
Here is a list of all the videos from Lane Davis on Frank's Z-Theory: http://tinyurl.com/ztheory In YouTube format, for you international folks... - Brad

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