Re: [Vo]:A definitive experiment to prove and measure NiH nuclear reactions - neutrino detection.

2013-01-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that there are quite stable setups and which give out extra heat with some reliability. So I think the time has come for the definitive test, which is trying to detect neutrinos. Have you looked at the few

Re: [Vo]:A definitive experiment to prove and measure NiH nuclear reactions - neutrino detection.

2013-01-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, if we can detect 3 neutrinos whose trajectory meet at the reactor, it will amazing. 2013/1/29 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Have you looked at the few detectors that exist? Considering that 10^10 neutrinos pass through a cm^2 every second, the probability of detection is slim. It

Re: [Vo]:100% conversion of heat to electricity with thermophotovoltaics

2013-01-29 Thread David Jonsson
So what is wrong with the Wikipedia article? What I mean is that regardless of how efficient the thermophotovoltaic is there is no other way for heat-energy to escape the enclosure except as IR-light converted to electricity. With this forced arrangement how can electricity generation be anything

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread fznidarsic
Unemployment dropping? http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/01/28/college-educated-over-qualified-study/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D262707

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
It's funny and sad to see people in denial in the comments section. 2013/1/29 fznidar...@aol.com Unemployment dropping? http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/01/28/college-educated-over-qualified-study/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D262707 -- Daniel Rocha - RJ

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Nigel Dyer
The article tallies with the UK where the proportion of graduates in the cohort entering employment each year is double the proportion of jobs requiring a degree. My daughter and her son in law both got firsts, and both ended up in jobs that do not require a degree. My son in law is

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
Not just sad but scary because such an apparent lack of education is revealed in the comments. We all agree that standards have been lowered for both high-school and college degrees. As a result, many graduates are qualified only for low skilled jobs. Consequently, a big push is now

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread James Bowery
Garbage. I know lots of US engineers who have been out of work for years and are not being hired even though they are doing occasional contract work at what amounts to below minimum wage. These aren't just any old engineers. They include guys who built the Internet and have current skills.

RE: [Vo]:100% conversion of heat to electricity with thermophotovoltaics

2013-01-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Jonsson What I mean is that regardless of how efficient the thermophotovoltaic is there is no other way for heat-energy to escape the enclosure except as IR-light converted to electricity. That is naïve. IR light will escape - whether some small

[Vo]:Re: Experimental Null test of a Mach Effect Thruster

2013-01-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Hamdi Ucar u...@verisoft.com wrote: Hi Terry, Could you post this one on vortex? Thanks, Hamdi New paper at lanl.arXiv.org titled Experimental Null test of a Mach Effect Thruster from Heidi Fearn, James F. Woodward. They received positive results.

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
Thanks Jim for making my comment more vivid. The situation is growing worse and your personal experience is one of many tragic consequences. The driving force behind hiring is the cost of labor. People from other countries are cheaper, the young are cheaper, and the robots are cheaper.

Re: [Vo]:100% conversion of heat to electricity with thermophotovoltaics

2013-01-29 Thread David Roberson
Jones, are you saying in simple terms that any thermophotovoltaic device immersed within a constant temperature environment saturated by infrared radiation will not produce electrical power? Does this imply that there must be a sink of some sort that is of lower temperature for these to

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread James Bowery
The low wage argument doesn't wash. The H-1b workers are not being paid below minimum wage and that's what the un/deremployed older engineers are getting. What is going on is an individualist culture is being taken over by, not one, but multiple nepotistic cultures. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at

Re: [Vo]:100% conversion of heat to electricity with thermophotovoltaics

2013-01-29 Thread David Roberson
I read the article and it definitely states that the electricity is generated by a temperature differential. If you immerse the cell within a constant temperature environment, it appears as if you can not get any electrical energy. This is consistent with what I have seen in the past where

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:57 AM, James Bowery wrote: The low wage argument doesn't wash. The H-1b workers are not being paid below minimum wage and that's what the un/deremployed older engineers are getting. What is going on is an individualist culture is being taken over by, not one, but

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Terry Blanton
I am an engineering manager in the consulting engineer business. I do run across cultural nepotism occasionally; but, right now, there is a shortage of good engineering talent. In my business, money is rarely the issue . . . it is expertise. I have two large engineering firms to draw from,

Re: [Vo]:Does p+B11 Explain Both Cold Fusion and Papp's Secret?

2013-01-29 Thread James Bowery
An update to the p+B11 = 2He4 explanation of the Papp engine: US Patent # 4,023,065 ~ May., 1977; Koloc 376/146 is cited by Papp in US Patent # 4,428,193. Koloc's patent is targets plasmoid formation in a compression chamber for the purposes of p+B11 = 3He4 +energy. The apparent source of the

[Vo]:Vanishing tritium at BARC

2013-01-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
The paper I uploaded the other day says: [All] these three cells, which were sampled and counted periodically, have displayed a characteristic oscillatory variation of the tritium activity. While an in-crease in tritium level can be understood as a production phase, the decreasing phase, lasting

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread James Bowery
A position with a consulting engineering firm is not the same as a job with the Fortune 500 -- and it is no surprise that otherwise unemployable older engineers are ending up in consulting engineering firms that may service the Fortune 500. It is an obvious market niche and it is good to hear it

RE: [Vo]:100% conversion of heat to electricity with thermophotovoltaics

2013-01-29 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson Jones, are you saying in simple terms that any thermophotovoltaic device immersed within a constant temperature environment saturated by infrared radiation will not produce electrical power? Does this imply that there must be a sink of some sort that is of lower

RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Goldes
Ed, This is another reason why Second Incomes not dependent upon jobs or savings are becoming so important. When a substantial portion of income,the goal is half by about age 50, is derived from diversified investments - individuals have the time and money to pursue more of what they want

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree Mark, a second income is important. Cold fusion had provided that for me until recently. Nevertheless, I find that a second income is not easy to achieve while still having time for anything else. Of course, giving a course on second income can be a second income.;-) A friend

RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Goldes
Ed, What is important to recognize about this economic invention - is that it is not related to jobs or savings. This is a revolutionary idea - with potential impact at least as great as LENR. If opens a path to the most genuinely free society in human history. And can be adapted in most

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: A position with a consulting engineering firm is not the same as a job with the Fortune 500 -- and it is no surprise that otherwise unemployable older engineers are ending up in consulting engineering firms that may service

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ed Storms wrote: Thanks Mark. Their view of reality differs significantly from what the people I read describe. I tend to believe my people because they predicted the 2008 collapse while Krugman did not. . . . Krugman did predict it, and warned against it several times. Such as here, in

Re: [Vo]:Vanishing tritium at BARC

2013-01-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: That being consumed by a secondary reaction? That is Defkalion's position. They say there are several stages of reactions occurring.

Re: [Vo]:Vanishing tritium at BARC

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to why the tritium goes away? That being consumed by a secondary reaction? Absorbed by something? I doubt it is leaking out. I like Terry's idea. The obvious thing to be ruled

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread James Bowery
As for the poor educational outcomes of the US vs other countries: When adjusted for economic class, the US is near the top. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/01/15/u-s-scores-on-international-test-lowered-by-sampling-error-report/ On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Jed

Re: [Vo]:Vanishing tritium at BARC

2013-01-29 Thread Jack Cole
Isn't that also what Robert Godes hypothesizes Tritrium - Quadrium which is where the heat is produced? On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Would anyone like to hazard a guess as

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Ed Storms wrote: Thanks Mark. Their view of reality differs significantly from what the people I read describe. I tend to believe my people because they predicted the 2008 collapse while Krugman did not. . . . Krugman did predict it, and

RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Chris Zell
Business Insider recently reported that Krugman may be discreetly admitting that he has made a serious oversight with regard to the viability of Social Security. Automation is eliminating jobs at such a rate that the payroll tax funding source may be in peril.

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
I'm always amazed, no matter what the conclusion, someone can always find evidence for the opposite. Here are some contrary opinions. I expect the economic class has an influence and some fraction of any population will always be well educated and some fraction will be poorly educated.

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I think you refer to your country. Yes But, I wouldn't be sure about people that goes to work there. From my personal experience, people who go to work in your country are selected in a much wider population than among your own and accept

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Joe Hughes
I have to agree with Terry here. As a hiring manager in the software industry (more specifically internet) over the last few years I've found it is more and more difficult to find adequate talent and or work ethic and motivation - especially amongst the younger generation. There seems to

Re: [Vo]:Vanishing tritium at BARC

2013-01-29 Thread Alain Sepeda
seems a possible direction. I remember also that some reports claim that heat and radiation (??? neutrons or gamm, don't remind) are exclusives... the multi-stage hypothesis seems credible. and if the neutrons produced where simply neutrons too fast to merge with hydrogenup... 2013/1/29 Jack

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Randy wuller
Ed: The housing bubble didn't almost bring down the entire world economy. That is pure sensationalism. As with any bubble, when it pops those holding the bag usually suffer. In the case of 2008, the bag holders got the world governments to spread the suffering. Your comments sound like many

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Randy wuller wrote: Ed: The housing bubble didn't almost bring down the entire world economy. That is pure sensationalism. As with any bubble, when it pops those holding the bag usually suffer. In the case of 2008, the bag holders got the world governments

[Vo]:Like charges attract each other

2013-01-29 Thread Harvey Norris
http://sciencefeature.com/2012/05/20/attraction-between-like-charges.html My comments awaiting moderation. Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

Re: [Vo]:Like charges attract each other

2013-01-29 Thread David Roberson
Interesting phenomena. It is clear that when one places an electron between two protons, they are all three attracted toward the center. This appears to be somewhat like that. The concentrated local induced field wins out over the larger distributed one. The suggests to me that the reason

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Randy wuller
Call it social security, call it a citizen dividend, call it whatever you want, if world productivity continues to increase (ie, more is available to distribute) so will the give away to those living and not producing or not producing much. Even if no one is working we will find a way to

RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Goldes
Time to work toward implementing a Second Income Plan. The idea originated with the late Louis O. Kelso, father of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan used by 11,000 companies. It does not depend upon jobs or savings. See SECOND INCOMES at www.aesopinstitute.org for the most recent version.

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Randy wuller
Ed: An idiot would have taken their money out of the stock market in 2008 and 1929. Now a really good prognosticator would have taken their money out in 2007 and 1928 and put it right back into the market in 2009 and 1930, (but if you know any of those, you may want them to take a lie

Re: [Vo]:Like charges attract each other

2013-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
Nice article. Makes me wonder if the strong force is necessary to explain nuclear cohesion. Harry On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: http://sciencefeature.com/2012/05/20/attraction-between-like-charges.html My comments awaiting moderation. Pioneering

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread David Roberson
Randy, a lot depends upon which companies you invested in before the crash. I put a fair amount of faith that GM would not be allowed to fail since it has a powerful union that has a great deal of influence upon the democratic party. My logic was that there was no possibility that the

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree Randy, we need a way to distribute the goodies being made increasingly without human help. The free enterprise system worked well in the past and many other ideas have failed. However, transition to a new system will not be easy. I suggest every one read the book Essentials of

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 29, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Randy wuller wrote: Ed: An idiot would have taken their money out of the stock market in 2008 and 1929. Unfortunately most of the world is an idiot. Nevertheless, I take your point. Now a really good prognosticator would have taken their money out in

Re: [Vo]:Like charges attract each other

2013-01-29 Thread John Berry
True, although it does say that equally charged spheres would always repel. Still there are other bits of evidence, for example: http://www.rexresearch.com/ev/ev.htm Semi-stable clusters of electrons. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Nice article.

Re: [Vo]:Like charges attract each other

2013-01-29 Thread Axil Axil
This attraction between two like charge spheres is caused by the induction of a negative charge on the sphere with the lesser of the positive charges. The lesson to be applied to LENR from this example via charge separation is that the charge concentration is not important to charge screening. As

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Randy wuller
Ed: Not pessimistic at all. But, yes we can probably all be replaced. However, Human Beings will just find something else to do. The dilemma between Government directed and market directed is that the Government does a real bad job of running a business. I spent years on Capital Hill

Re: [Vo]:Like charges attract each other

2013-01-29 Thread Axil Axil
Correction This attraction between two like charge spheres is caused by the induction of a negative charge on the sphere with the lesser of the positive charges. The lesson to be applied to LENR from this example via charge separation is that the *charge polarity* is not important to charge

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: There seems to be a prevaling sense of entitlement in this generation. When your generation entered the workforce it was generally realistic for them to expect their income would eventually exceed their parents income.

RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Ed: Thanks Jim for making my comment more vivid. The situation is growing worse and your personal experience is one of many tragic consequences. The driving force behind hiring is the cost of labor. People from other countries are cheaper, the young are cheaper, and the

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: However, what I find inexcusable, ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE, is that companies like EMC appear to have gutted a significant portion of their experienced English speaking technical staff and

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: unless, perhaps, one is willing to grant themselves a dispensation to depart a little from the spirit of market-based solutions. I should add that Singapore, during its period of rapid development, did not hesitate to depart from free-market principles. There were trade barriers and

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: China appears to be pursuing a similar policy, and I suspect it will reap similar rewards in the future. I'm having fun trolling tonight, so I'll add one more fascinating thought -- the folks in China are hardworking and

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

2013-01-29 Thread Alain Sepeda
this is also the position of the writer on the next convergence. Real policy for emerging countries is not laisser-faire, but TEMPORARY protectionism, huge investment in education and infrastructure, support for NEW industry... and reinventing all, breaking the old model, every 10 years. also one