Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

>From Jiang's paper (courtesy Bob Higgins translation): "How could T1 and T2 temperatures differ by so much? This is because thermocouple T1 is in the atmosphere, and is easily equilibrated to room temperature. T2 is located in a sealed stainless steel vessel, and the gas inside the vessel is at

[Vo]:The Liquid Sun

There is another path to understanding LENR. That path is found in the stars. Here follows a summation of that path less taken to LENR understanding by Prof. Pierre-Marie Robitaille Now that liquid metallic hydrogen has been advanced as a solar building block, it is likely that opposition will be

Re: [Vo]:Re: Bremsstrahlung radiation

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Do you have a reference to this statement > ; > " created by minute flakes of cathode material " > Myself. (It was just speculation.) > The exotic particle that was assumed by this investigator was the > poly-neutron > I

Re: [Vo]:Re: Bremsstrahlung radiation

The material that escaped from the reactor was LENR active. A rubber O-ring that absorbed this LENR active material shows LENR reactions when placed on the CR-39. Do you have a reference to this statement ; " created by minute flakes of cathode material " The exotic particle that was assumed by

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

H LV wrote: > > http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/ > > Median age of 53 by 2050?! > Yup. It is 47 now. The trends for the next 20 years are demographically irreversible. People could start having babies like mad and the population would still

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Vibrator ! wrote: Can't help thinking optical thermometry would be preferable since it's > impervious to heat damage... assuming the steel currently used for > chambers is entirely incidental to the reaction, a transparent ceramic > would

Re: [Vo]:Re: Bremsstrahlung radiation

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Russ George wrote: Clearly they have been observed in Fisher/Orianni work and produced large > showers of radiation. An interpretation of the Oriani work that does not involve exotic particles is that the pits in the CR-39 chips were

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Wow! How many languages do you know? harry On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the > trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. Google > translate just wasn't good

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

T3 is not connected. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jack Cole wrote: > > T1 is in an air gap apparently. Possibly that could make more sense. >> > > Let's see . . . You mean it is installed in the middle of the "T-Bone" >

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Bob Higgins wrote: > >> I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the >> trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. > > > That's very helpful. Thank

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Perhaps a Fisher polyneutron would reveal itself in a 'beta shower' that the NaI instrument would see. From: Ludwik Kowalski [mailto:kowals...@mail.montclair.edu] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese I am not

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

His 'alpha' showers seem to be about the same number of events as the recent MFMP Bremstrahlung. From: Ludwik Kowalski [mailto:kowals...@mail.montclair.edu] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese I am not familiar

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

I am not familiar with new experimental results. Dr Fisher said he will publish a new report, before the end of 2015. But he didn't I hope he is OK. Ludwik == On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Russ George wrote: > Ludwik, What’s your opinion of Fisher’s polyneutrons these days? > > From:

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Ludwik, What's your opinion of Fisher's polyneutrons these days? From: Ludwik Kowalski [mailto:kowals...@mail.montclair.edu] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese I suppose that at least one member of the Chinese

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

As a cold fusion experimentalist it is astonishing to see such experiments being done with so few thermocouples. They are incredibly cheap and using many for redundancy purposes is just common sense. It used to be that the data channels were in short supply but these days many data channels is

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Bob Higgins wrote: I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the > trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. > That's very helpful. Thank you! I did not know you speak Chinese. I suppose that is more in demand in the 21st

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

H LV wrote: > Ok, but if there was so much more heat being produced in the reactor > why is T1 dropping so quickly while T4 is gradually rising? > Well, there was that last burst of internal heat, ~24 minutes long, shown by T1 and T2. I suppose that threw the system out

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

I suppose that at least one member of the Chinese Team is following this thread. If not then perhaps someone will be willing to send them an invitation. It would be useful to be able to ask questions. Ludwik === Ludwik Kowalski. On Feb 29,

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Thank you very very much, to both you, Jed, and others. Ludwik = On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the > trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English.

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

I was interested enough in Dr. Jiang's latest paper that I went to the trouble to do a proper translation from Chinese to English. Google translate just wasn't good enough. If you read through the Google translate version, you skip over things that Google didn't translate well enough - and in

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

On Feb 29, 2016, at 8:33 PM, H LV wrote: " ... The softest x-rays are stopped by air." Sorry for nit-picking. I would not say "stopped by air." I would say "loose energy mostly by photoelectric and Compton collisions with oxygen and nitrogen atoms, in air." Ludwik

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

The term x-ray covers a wide range of em energies. The softest x-rays are stopped by air. Harry On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Russ George wrote: > If x-ray "warming" is taking place then we are at the very simple 'dead > graduate student' test phase.. a dose of

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

If x-ray "warming" is taking place then we are at the very simple 'dead graduate student' test phase.. a dose of radiation capable of warming anything is surely lethal so just look into the lab and count the number of dead grad students lying on the floor, any number greater than 0 means a

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > >> Notice the delayed rise in T4 at the beginning of the experiment. The >> >> rise in T4 after power is turned off might just be the delayed >> dissipation of heat from inside to

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Calorimetry's the last word of course, and yes the data from the external TC's is exciting. My point about optical thermometry though was that it's possible to have a window into the reactor (using transparent ceramics) and so read the internal light... no doubt Rossi or others have already

RE: [Vo]:Merging Holmlid and Heffner

This is a revival of an earlier thread. From: Russ George * What about a secondary muon target re-emitter… what would the ideal target and emission be? According to the literature, muons are absorbed in rough linear proportion to the atomic number of the target…. Since Uranium (92)

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Sorry for my last comment; I was thought I were commenting on VORTEX's earlier post. On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Ludwik Kowalski wrote: > 1) Suppose a wish list is composed, containing suggested technological > innovations for Artificial Intelligence (AI) robots. Would such a list be > useful

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Jack Cole wrote: T1 is in an air gap apparently. Possibly that could make more sense. > Let's see . . . You mean it is installed in the middle of the "T-Bone" shaped reactor, in the air gap between the reactor and the "DC Power" heaters (shown in orange). I guess it is

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Vibrator ! wrote: Can't help thinking optical thermometry would be preferable since it's > impervious to heat damage... > But you can't use it for the inside thermocouples, and the outside one (T4) is at moderate temperatures peaking at 167°C. There is no way that

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

T1 is in an air gap apparently. Possibly that could make more sense. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:49 PM Jack Cole wrote: > Jed, I thought the same when looking at the graphs. It doesn't make much > sense. He needs to get some better control over the input power to keep > from

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

1) Suppose a wish list is composed, containing suggested technological innovations for Artificial Intelligence (AI) robots. Would such a list be useful to leaders of technology? 2) My first wish would be a computer operating system (OS) which allows for at least three hundreds of "human undo

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Can't help thinking optical thermometry would be preferable since it's impervious to heat damage... assuming the steel currently used for chambers is entirely incidental to the reaction, a transparent ceramic would would allow direct observation - if not for the whole chamber, then at least a via

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

Jed, I thought the same when looking at the graphs. It doesn't make much sense. He needs to get some better control over the input power to keep from burning up his TCs. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:13 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > > Notice

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

H LV wrote: Notice the delayed rise in T4 at the beginning of the experiment. The rise in T4 after power is turned off might just be the delayed > dissipation of heat from inside to the outside. > I do not think so. Look closely as the power is being reduced, at around

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Video shows how superior animal intelligence is compared to artificial intelligence

Cool topic, cognitive science is one of my interests. I think that at the stage we're at, the outstanding technical challenges aren't so much quantitative as qualitative - we need to crack the Hard Problem, for an emergent, bottom-up intelligence rather than a "brute forced" but top-down Turing

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >for the second run, shows a similar pattern, with T1 falling > steadily and monotonically after the power is turned off, while T2 goes > bananas. However, this graph also shows T4 increasing after the power turns >

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

I wrote: Figure 2, for the second run, shows a similar pattern . . . > ARRRGGH! I meant *Figure 3* for the second run. I wish I could fix these messages. Fig. 1. Configuration Fig. 2. First run, showing T1 and T2 readings. But not T4. Fig. 3. Second run, showing T1, T2 and T4. I wish he had

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

I wrote: > Thermocouple T2 on the outside of the cell does not show self-sustaining > anomalous heat after power is turned off. It falls smoothly and > monotonically. > Oops. I meant T1 on the outside of the cell, sandwiched between the cell and the the MgO thermal insulation material. It does

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

I am sorry to say this, but it looks to me like Jiang had the same problem this time as last time. The T2 thermocouple in the center of the cell overheated. It exceeded the 1372°C limit for that device. It probably did this early in the experiment on May 4. After that it is erratic, and I do not

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

The long period of self-sustained heat is exactly what everyone wants to see. This is what we were hoping to see from MFMP, due to all the buildup. Perhaps it will happen this time for Alan and Mark. From: Jed Rothwell See:

RE: [Vo]:Re: Bremsstrahlung radiation

From: Mark Jurich * If another scintillator is secured, it is quite possible to run it without immediate lead surrounding it, but it will be close to the Lead Cave, I’m afraid (within a couple feet away, tops). Mark - Being close with an unshielded unit will convey far more relevant

[Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

See: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/520-20160301-125433238-pdf/?s=3a03aad919292f429f6fa5106e356d459314aa42 The abstract is in English, and Google translate does a pretty good job of translating the whole paper. Go to:

RE: [Vo]:Re: Bremsstrahlung radiation

Here’s a question of those whose imaginations include exotic particles.. what might be the characteristics of polyneutrons? Would they have the same half-life as a single neutron or ??? Clearly they have been observed in Fisher/Orianni work and produced large showers of radiation. They also

[Vo]:Re: Bremsstrahlung radiation

RE: [Vo]:Bremsstrahlung radiationThe Lead Cave must be nearby (with the scintillator in it) to replicate. If another scintillator is secured, it is quite possible to run it without immediate lead surrounding it, but it will be close to the Lead Cave, I’m afraid (within a couple feet away,

[Vo]:good news read all- aand a basic discussion

Quite interesting news, great space for even better ones To decide: the reality or the image of LENR is the more difficult problem - actually? http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/02/feb-29-2016-good-lenr-news-discussing.html Best wishes, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

[Vo]:Quantum duality

sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150212065135.htm Snip> In string theory, there exist many dualities: equivalent descriptions of a problem in two different ways. Depending on the problem, one description is usually easier than the other. The most famous was discovered by Juan Maldacena in 1997.

Re: [Vo]:Bremsstrahlung radiation

One of the amazing properties of the monopole field is that it makes the matter that it encompasses impervious to destruction. Hydrogen Rydberg Matter covered in a monopole EMF field would be impervious to a nuclear bomb blast. This can be understood in the experiments of LeClair, where he

RE: [Vo]:Bremsstrahlung radiation

From: Eric Walker * To play devil's advocate, the hypothetical neutron flux could have produced short-lived beta radioisotopes when they activated something in or near the experiment. Eric, Even without activation - the neutron itself is a beta emitter. Free neutrons have a half-life

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Video shows how superior animal intelligence is compared to artificial intelligence

There are a zillion cute cat videos on the Internet. This one is food for thought. It tells you a lot about the nature of animal intelligence, and it demonstrates that animals are still far ahead of the best robots and artificial intelligence computers in many ways. This is a 6-second video GIF.

Re: [Vo]:Bremsstrahlung radiation

There are non nuclear mechanisms how may generate x-gamma radiation. Tape can produce it. http://www.nature.com/news/2008/012345/full/news.2008.1185.html Maybe same mechanism is in work during crack formation. The energy may be enough to produce gamma rays if its enough to produce

Re: [Vo]:Bremsstrahlung radiation

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: Jones, the moral of the story is that the large amount of lead (and it > probably took a whole lot for the HPGe detector) converted some of the > cosmic rays into a small *neutron* flux. MFMP did not measure neutrons.