From: Roarty, Francis X
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Hydrino represents Lorentz contraction in the opposite
direction from event horizon
Horace,
No, glass is not conductive and you don't have
I agree mass is changing but think it is related to relativistic effects
inside a cavity. From our perspective the normal hydrogen inside the
cavity appears like hydrinos and because time dilation is a real lasting
effect of relativity it experiences multiple seconds per second diluting
the
Yes,
the big announcement came out yesterday. Validation using off the shelf
materials by Rowan.
Sorted by relevance
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http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1ned=ushl=enq=black+light+powercf=allscoring=n
Sort by date with duplicates included
The power gain is very real but the theory is very wrong and people
are looking at the gas atoms when they should be looking at the
catalyst. Fractional states do not exist in 4D and the hydrino is
unphysical but in the same way as the Twin Paradox from physics 101 is
unphysical! The
Horace,
I added the following paragraph to my theory after discovering a
paper describing a Casimir cavity created equivalence.
The theory that Casimir cavities represent an abrupt equivalence
boundary is not new, In 2002 a paper Vacuum fluctuation force on a
rigid Casimir cavity in a
Horace,
QED supporters don't like when I refer to vacuum fluctuations
which are also known as virtual particles but yet they do use virtual
photons in their theories. I went to Wikipedia to see if there is any
defined frequency spectrum for virtual particles but they indicated that
if the
Michael,
That was a very early thread and I do understand the basic premise of a
4D array, distance as an absolute on the time axis and how two spatially
adjacent stationary objects can be accelerating away from each other temporally
if an equivalence boundary is established -normally
News release below focuses on plasmons but the structure sounds very much like
a Casimir cavity formed between the nanowire and silver surface with 5nm
spacing. Maybe light just “upconverts” while in the cavity...
Plasmon Laser (Source: Courtesy of Xiang Zhang Lab, UC Berkeley)
Jak,
Fair enough, I'll settle for the odd rapid Hydrogen-ization
of the H2O molecule MAYBE PARTIALLY ACCURATE but the 'reason' for it
would actually lead the Singularity Physics motif. I already admitted
that I couldn't see any electrolyte that would form conductive plates
out of the
[Snip] 4) A 4th dimension interface is measureable perpendicular
to gravity vector?
[Reply] The research by Di Fiore et all proposes opposite to gravity
vector not perpendicular. An equivalent acceleration first considered by
Italian researchers Di Fiore et all in a 2002 paper Vacuum
Steven,
Isn't it going to be difficult to identify whether the change is introduced by
mechanical motion due to the variation in field strength or the effect on the
photon from the same variation?
Fran
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From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
But Terry, if not geosynchronous aren't you effectively rotating it, albeit
slowly?
Fran
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment
I saw some posts indicating the type of PD and who you purchase it from is very
important to success. Will the rigidity be maintained through co deposition? As
to lowering the cost would co-deposition on a Pourous Stainless Steel tube
still meet the criteria for rigidity? It would still provide
I posted the new blog linked at bottom after discovering a paper by Zofia
Bialynicka-Birula, The principle difference however is just this paragraph :
Both Naudts and Bourgoin used equations normally reserved for photons and
skeptics argued that 1/2 spin electrons can not occupy the same space
Would running the test at temperature extremes to compare for change in sag
rate/displacement isolate the mechanical from the light path?
that they have been
trying to convince the public is impossible.
Shame on them ;-)
From: Roarty, Francis X
Jones,
I don't believe in the hydrino definition regarding fractional ground
states but Yes I do think fast or relativistic hydrogen is involved at a
fundamental level in all of LENR
There may be reason to give Pd preferential consideration being a membrane to
H2 and D2. The lattice structure of Pd may be contributing to the process in
SPAWARS, and similar type vs those performed in a reactor which cooks the gas
monatomic.
Fran
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From: Abd
Michel,
Thanks for the link - I will check it out presently but just to be
clear (I was sleep deprived in the previous post) I do realize the goal is
fusion and was referring to a bootstrap step to get up to those velocities. I
am assuming there are many such intermediate step theories
Article From
http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1035295_ul-has-received-request-to-certify-eestors-product
Electric car enthusiasts are excited about the potential EEStor's as-yet-unseen
product known as the EESU represents. An extremely lightweight, low-cost
battery that can be charged in
I think the biggest disconnect is trying to make a direct jump from the
materials to fusion without better explaining the interim step that supplies
the energy to
Create the fusion artifacts. I am following a current thread Zero point
fluctuations and the Casimir
[snip] might not be a metal lattice; the whole biological transmutation
approach, we might suspect, would represent protein-catalyzed fusion,
basically a protein, I assume, setting up confinement conditions that
facilitate fusion.[snip]
Abd,
I am not familiar with this biological
[snip] If so, the only such matrix readily apparent in the human body is the
skeleton. Possibly dried bone, or bone meal, or a calcium matrix of some kind,
would be of interest to incorporate in a USP test.
It is especially notable that the human body does not naturally contain solid
metal.
[Snip] point 3
3) A pre-exisiting genetic factor that is little known - and would be
involved with the LENR or hot hydrogen process itself, after combustion
initiation by mundane effects, and which could be a factor similar to what
is seen in this video, of a family that has unusual magnetic
I may want to retract my ref to Heffners' and Haischs' theory below - I believe
their version may only require the cavity translation and is independent of
bonding.
Fran
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From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:05
I meant to say alkaline earth metal not rare earth.
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:55 PM
To: froarty...@comcast.net
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:megolith levitation
Frank Roarty wrote:
Has Vortex
Hi Mauro,
Please call me Fran - It is how I distinguish bill collectors from good
people, Yes you pretty much have my argument with only a couple misplaced
assumptions, Yes I do have a twin hydrogen that somehow communicates with me
that he is much older not younger -not going into a
I agree, in fact the ionization would have to be spread across both plates
equally to keep them uncharged relative to each other or by definition it would
no longer be a Casimir cavity. Regarding other effects I agree with one
caveat, The permanent restriction of longer vacuum fluctuations
Horace,
Horace, Robin,
Thank you for the equations and comments you supplied at the bottom. And the
updates in subsequent posts, They will help make easy work of my spreadsheet.
MY Apologies to Robin for saying the space between lattices isn't a cavity in
previous post! I had to
If energy is free the need to work will not be so burdensome and the economy
will slowly transition to entertainment and personal services. Once energy is
free and compact, robotics will finally blossom to its real potential and a
utopian society can emerge. We will still need to safeguard the
You mean Leedskalnins's calcium -earth metal- based megalith blocks :_)
Fran
From: Esa Ruoho [mailto:esaru...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:22 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magnetricity
when are we going to see someone take this new
What about the acceleration at the very center of the earth, I know It cancels
but is time dilated even slower than on the surface or does dilation cancel too?
Regards
Fran
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From: Mauro Lacy [mailto:ma...@lacy.com.ar]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:02 PM
To:
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Gravity role in fusion
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
What about the acceleration at the very center of the earth, I know
It cancels but is time dilated even slower than on the surface or
does dilation cancel too?
Regards
Fran
I agree totally, specifically the orbital radial velocity is the most important
from my perspective and submit that this is based on acceleration proportional
to catalyst geometry. Your suggestion of using higher temperatures and lattice
pores that only support monatomic hydrogen would
Also put
Robin,
IMHO all orbital ground states have a balance point between the ambient
ratio of short to long vacuum fluctuations (local curvature of space time) from
event horizons at one extreme to Casimir cavities at the other. The lowest
orbital is kept away from the proton by an
From http://www.prlog.org/11277508-qed-induced-cold-fusion-in-italy.html
QED Induced Cold Fusion in Italy
Recent cold fusion experiments at the University of Bologna suggesting cold
fusion is produced from electrically heated nickel powder under pressurized
hydrogen gas is consistent with QED
The first conclusion in Prevenslik’s press release refers to COE of absorbed EM
energy by “up conversion” of QED photons inside nano structures instead of
temperature increase. I think this supports my relativistic interpretation of
Casimir effect. These QED photons that he refers to as being
On Saturday, February 12 Jones Beene said [snip]The provocative conjecture of a
poster known as Axil is that the EMC effect causes the hydrogen nucleus of a
hydride to merge with heavy nucleus of the nickel atom when the momentum of the
nickel atom is increased by the motion of vibration of the
on Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:46 Robin van Spaandonk wrote
[snip] ...if true then putting Rossi devices in series to achieve superheated
steam
isn't going to work.[/snip]
I thought so too at first but now am not so sure. Rossi may be able to use a
small safe COP and series up the reactors to produce
T,
Even if it isn't a start up issue there is a certain ambiguity to threshold
temperatures with catalyzed gases where even superheated steam can still
provide cooling.
Fran
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 7:15 PM
To:
on Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:36 Jones Beene wrote
[snip] Well, it is true that if the only thing needed for the reaction to
proceed
is to maintain a narrow range of temperatures, say it is between 390C and
400C, which probably aligns with a phase-change in the active material --
then not only
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:07 Jed Rothwell wrote [snip] I think Rossi said there
are two mystery elements added to Ni, presumably in small amounts. Brian Ahern
and I suspect one of them is Pd. [/snip]
Pd nano powder does sound like a good candidate. Grain size may be important
to backfill the
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:19: Robin van Spaandonk wrote
[snip]Radioactivity produces fast particles which can trigger an avalanche
Hydrino
creation mechanism that rapidly converts local H into Hydrinos of whatever size
was originally at hand. If these are small enough to result in fusion/fission
More potential candidate for Rossi's secret additives? Pd, cerium, ytterbium
See article New material provides 25 percent greater thermoelectric conversion
efficiency
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-material-percent-greater-thermoelectric-conversion.html
I just read a 2002 paper , Engineering the Zero-Point Field and Polarizable
Vacuum for Interstellar Flight by Puthoff,
http://www.gravitycontrol.org/pdf/jbisZPE.pdf and think there is a loophole
regarding propellantless propulsion where his statement that the center of mass
must remain
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:24: Horace Heffner wrote
[snip] The following 1993 article includes my quantitative treatment of this
approach:
http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ZPE-CasimirThrust.pdf
Horace,
I was able to follow your paper and agree with your results but
have some
The Greco- Hol-e-y Roman Empire
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:PiezoFission or K-capture ?
Greco-Roman
Very Plausible Theory! So the control loop is easier to implement with larger
mass. Regarding Gamma radiation, I think Naudt's suggestion of a relativistic
hydrino is a big clue. A local observer/grad student inside the vacuum energy
suppressing geometry would see a normal hydrogen radius and
Jones, I also appreciate, and benefit from, your contributions. Even in your
reply you
Added a concept that I never previously considered, [snip] Since the
springs are kept in place, at least partly by ZPE, according to Puthoff -
then there is net gain at the expense of ZPE. That is where this
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:22 Robin van Spaandonk wrote
[snip]
Ah..in short you reject the Hydrino hypothesis outright, since below ground
state orbitals are the very core of his theory.
Regards,[/snip]
If Naudt's is correct about relativistic hydrogen then both sides are correct.
Sub ground states
on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:27 Harry Veeder wrote
[snip]The concept of quantum mechanical tunneling suggests that a particle can,
with a certain probability, bore its way through a columb barrier. Suppose,
instead, the probability is indicative of a fluctuating columb field in which
On Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:37 PM Dennis wrote
I don't see the risk in the electrical conversion conversion failure. I
don't think that the device
would fail to disaster if the stimulation/heater/ whatever (80 or so Watts
used in the demo)
would be removed. Perhaps if the cooling
On Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:21 PM Jones Beene wrote
In so doing, only one cell in the entire
array need to be elaborately controlled by electrical input - and the
remaining 99 (if there are 100) are cascaded off the hot water (superheated)
output of the first cell, in stages. Superheated
On Friday, March 04, 2011 9:55 AM Jones Beene wrote
I wonder if a magnetic pulse, or a
pulse wave is involved in the operation.
Jones,
I am now coming to this same conclusion, thermal transfer rates from 5 PLC
heaters spread throughout 1 liter of powder doesn't seem fast enough. If the
PWM
I like this larger volume enhancement idea from a ZPE/suppression perspective.
If you are dealing with small volumes / thin dimensions then the
suppressed/condensed gas has a smaller migration zone before it escapes the
suppression of the lattice. I am convinced that the suppression in the
Just hope you don't create... Nitrinos
-Fran
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:40 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:My Mix
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.commailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Whazzit?
Somewhere I heard they
In off line collaboration and discussions with Scott Smith we are considering
nuclei as consisting of very small subatomic cavities with high suppression
(opposition to flux). It is still the Puthoff model but inverted such that the
nucleus is pushed much harder than the orbitals which act like
Both snips below from the Cardone paper seem to support a relativistic
interpretation. The odd property of radiation measured and these bubbles of
gas that take 40- 50 minutes to scale down into these tiny Zones of deformed
space time would as a result appear fractional to us in normal
I also liked his final sentence - call it tidal fission?
[snip]Since these transmutations are thought to be brought about by spacetime
deformation, it is possible that a heavy nuclide be ripped
apart into lighter nuclides by tidal forces i.e., in more picturesque way, as
an astronaut would be
My post never posted! I may have used
vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com instead of
vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com because it never showed up on
the forum. It was regarding 100g NI powder that Rossi says needs replacement
every 6 months. I was looking
I normally don't remember my dreams but had a very disturbing one a couple
nights ago that I haven't been able to shake. It was about large flocks of
birds flying straight up Into space and merging into huge black mantled
skeletons that swept back down to kill and destroy everything on the
- that is suspicious in itself as it indicates expertise in concealment.
Jones
From: Roarty, Francis X
My post never posted! I may have used
vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com instead of
vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com because it never showed up
Jones
Regarding thermistors you wrote
[snip] Thermistors, unlike ANY other form of heating that I know of (like
resistance tape heating) do NOT require dedicated thermocouple feedback.
That is most important, since thermistors can be controlled by monitoring
their own impedance characteristics,
The PWM scheme is basically throttling back a runaway reaction that doesn't
really have any stable state between starvation and runaway but creates
stability using duty factor. The PWM has to be balanced against the slower heat
extraction loop so the controlled increase or reduction of any
Although I agree with most if not all of the proposed ZPED theory my position
is that many of the non nuclear or hybrid theories like Mills', Rossi or Haisch
- Moddel depend on an ashless reaction powered directly from ZPE as the
predominant source of energy. Many contend that any energy
another interesting developmenta self assembled skeletal catalyst
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110320164225.htm
[snip]
They key to the group's novel 3-D structure is self-assembly. They begin by
coating a surface with tiny spheres, packing them tightly together to form a
On Friday, March 25, 2011 1:58 PM Jones Beene wrote
[Snip] We know for sure that this program involves hydrogen (not deuterium) as
the fuel, and that the gain is in the range of 20 times chemical, and that
converted ICE engines have been used for testing. Aside from that, details are
on Monday, March 28, 2011 12:08 PM Jones Beene wrote
[snip] All of the experts were probably hindered by one primary expectation.
Since it was based on a converted piston engine, it had to be a heat engine.
Probably wrong! If today’s speculation is correct, then Papp’s crazy design is
not and
on Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:48 PM Jed Rothwell wrote
[snip] He now has a good patent attorney working on that. [/snip]
Any more info on the patent attorney?
Dilbert sold it's soul when it licensed it's caricatures to be utilized by
corporations to give employees ethical training scenarios.
From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion featured
Maybe hydrinos improve heat transfer? They should carry more energy in a
smaller volume effectively increasing the internal surface area. Just because
We never see them at STP doesn't mean they can't exist as a heated plasma
inside the reactor.
Fran
From: Jed Rothwell
Axil,
both resistive and inductive heaters will produce magnetic fields - A
resistive heater can operate on AC or DC but an inductive heater will short out
if fed DC. The resistive heater is still equivalent to a conductor which will
produce an ac or pulsating dc magnetic field if you choose
Scott,
Can you fwd me the link for that paper - I saw it on my home PC
this morning but it didn't fwd to work, I think the company filters derailed it!
Thanks
Fran
From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:39 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
The energy extraction methods are different but the rapid changes in energy
density experienced by gas atoms in motion WRT Casimir geometry is the common
denominator that they are all exploiting. Recent comments regarding
magnetostriction would seem to fit this model where magnetic fields from
Harry,
I agree the energy utilized should be subtracted from the
output but how much of the pressure or flow rate is actually removed from the
system? - the differential measurements are only for temp but you should also
quantify the pressure/flow rate into the reactor and the
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 05:25, Axil Axil
janap...@gmail.commailto:janap...@gmail.com wrote:
“With temperature above the set the reactor is automatically stopped”
Axil,
We see the Mill’s powder in the Rowan confirmations totally
run-away but yet we get mixed messages about the
Axil wrote As an engineering imperative, I have a feeling that Rossi decided to
centralize control of the reactor in the control box where he can adjust or
shut off control power as required.
Axil,
That is what Pulse Width Modulation [PWM] does - In fact zero ON time is a
valid pulse width for a
Jones,
I agree with most of what you are saying even that we still dispute
the need to makeup chemical energy released by catalytic disassociation. ZPE
is absolutely based on a negative potential but once you provide a method to
rectify this energy (Heisenberg trap) it operates on the
[mailto:prot...@frii.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:45 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Roarty, Francis X
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll
Fran,
I've been following you ideas for awhile but I don't see how they can apply to
Rossi if you believe
the Ni--- Cu claims
Robin,
I agree thermal is the primary source of motion at our scale but ZPE is the
inexhaustible source at any scale. Gas and Casimir geometry just happen to
have properties we can use to exploit this inexhaustible source. The
relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect means that the most
Robin ,
I made the mistake of starting from the bottom of the email replies -
your position that the ash is roughly proportional would have balanced Scott
Smith's position that there is far too much ash for heat extracted - I made
some assumption in my previous reply that were based on
Robin,
I couldn't agree more when you state I think that if the ZPE exists,
then it is responsible for all other forces.
Best Regards
Fran
The zitter is rolled into COE as gas laws and remains random to such a small
scale as to be physically un-exploitable. It does however appear to be
un-physically exploitable harnessing London forces and nano geometry to
segregate the vacuum wavelengths behind gas motion into the mesoscopic
Hi Jones,
Nice citation! I would speculate the neutrinos are NOT
interacting with the radioactive gas to change the decay rate, Could the
neutrinos simply indicate when a solar scale fluctuation in the rate at which
the ether intersects the spatial axis occurs? As relativistic
I would expect the required heating and therefore the current measured by the
amp meter to decline as the reactor reached a stable thermal balance between
PWM and the extraction rate allowing Rossi to use a slightly narrower pulse
and more residual heat to cause disassociation.
Fran
From:
Harry,
I have been trying to run down any word on the NASA replication and
found your citation encouraging even if not based on the Rossi E-cat. The W-L
replication will still puts NASA in the business of building a Ni-H reactor
with 1st class bullet proof instrumentation and
T,
I agree and if there were stronger evidence of the relationship between
Casimir effect and catalytic action I
Think Mills would have had a shot at a patent - He claims a different
extraction method than my MAHG like scenario or the H-M method with noble gas
but that doesn't mean it
Jones,
Is dark matter another label for ether that surges with ebbs and flows that
3D beings cannot perceive except by relativistic measure? And even then only by
difference in scaling factors between frames since at the macro scale the ebb
and flow is homogenous? Do differences in energy
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From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Watts-up with 28, 30, 33 day cycles?
-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X
Is dark matter another label for ether
Possibly
Robin,
I had the same original displacement concept until recently
and I think it is roughly equivalent to the up shifted term Scott and Thomas
introduced me to. The issue with the displacement concept is it carries with
it an image of a vacant portion of space where the
) for tritium. More on that later.
Jones
From: Roarty, Francis X
Robin,
I had the same original displacement concept until recently
and I think it is roughly equivalent to the up shifted term Scott and Thomas
introduced me to. The issue with the displacement concept is it carries
.
Jones
From: Roarty, Francis X
Robin,
I had the same original displacement concept until recently
and I think it is roughly equivalent to the up shifted term Scott and Thomas
introduced me to. The issue with the displacement concept is it carries with
it an image of a vacant
Jones Beene wrote on Wed, 04 May 2011 06:54
[snip] Unlike many observers, I see the decay rate of the tritium in the Casimir
cavity (from the perspective of the tritium itself) as NOT changing !
[/snip]
Jones, I agree the rate is unchanged from the perspective of the tritium.. BUT
I think
Jed,
I think they both share the same initial ZPE source that turns the
quantum blender. The environment once established can be exploited by more than
one energy extraction method. The ZPE doesn't have to be the extraction method
- the blender is formed naturally and doesn't have any
7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such
a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy.
Jones, this might get into what Robin and I were discussing regarding why the
heat extraction doesn't draw down the gas temp to absolute zero - the
We have known about temperature anomalies since Langmuir associated with
hydrogen plasma and Now Rossi gives us a temperature which would melt Ni
powder. My point gets back to an earlier thread regarding the hydrino being
able to permeate through the stainless Steele reactor to leak out - this
Would ball milling nickel in a glove box of helium produce a similar oxygen
free powder without the need for a bell jar to out gas?
are milling, of course you know
to activate after ball milling, NOT before.
From: Roarty, Francis X
Would ball milling nickel in a glove box of helium produce a similar oxygen
free powder without the need for a bell jar to out gas?
Agreed but at issue seems to be the access to the smallest Casimir geometry -
my gut feeling is that the naked proton is so small already that it has the
capability to translate to fractional/relativistic scales faster than the
spatial volume can contain it provided the Casimir force is strong
T,
That sounds really plausible, can you expand further?
Great Insight!
Fran
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Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:41 PM
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