The firm Rossi selected typically does work on a contingent basis. So they
don’t collect fees unless they win. Typically the contract calls for the
payment of expenses.
That wouldn’t prevent them from seeking fees from the other side but if there
was no recovery, Rossi may not have paid
Gentleman:
Any contract requires good faith. If the report and test wasn’t created in
good faith (with a reasonable attempt at complying with scientific standards),
it won’t be sufficient. Penon was identified as independent, if he wasn’t then
the contract for Rossi will not be
It seems to me there is only one issue which will determine the significance of
this test, was IH controlling it and will they be reporting the results. If
so, all the speculation about Rossi being a fraud is nonsense and a figment of
imagination.
If IH wasn’t’ involved and didn’t control
Blaze:
I agree. In addition, if life expectancy suddenly got extended significantly,
it would so completely and irrevocably change the way we think and act, that
these parochial attitudes would be as obsolete as the dodo bird. They would be
replaced by a whole new set of behavior. It is
You are all missing the point. We are transitioning from the economics of
scarce resources to unlimited resources. When you apply economic policies
designed for the allocation of scarce resources to an economy of unlimited
resources you artificially limit the pie. That is what we are doing
.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com
mailto:rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
You are all missing the point. We are transitioning from the economics of
scarce resources to unlimited resources. When you apply economic policies
designed for the allocation of scarce
:20 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com
mailto:rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Mr. Bowery, You don’t even know me. And I seriously doubt you have done any
more than I have on the Solar Centric issue. The anti-immigration and
anti-government sentiments are idiotic and only when those silly notions
Alan:
I don’t think that means that at all. At best you need to see the various
agreements between the parties to make such a statement.
Ransom
From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:47 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Rossi
Jones:
I thought you were a lawyer, what you discuss isn’t fraud.So for
example, let’s say Rossi knew that by setting up the constraints associated
with testing the ash, (1% from stuff that fell out), everyone would be
misled as to what was actually happening. That’s more appropriately
[mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.
From: Randy Wuller
So for example, let’s say Rossi knew that by setting up the
constraints associated
Jones:
In fairness to this process it also says of the dummy reactor test that
“Rossi gradually brought it to the power level THEY requested” (emphasis
added). It doesn’t say that the test power level was determined or demanded
by Rossi. The fact he turned it off after they had what they wanted
is that calibration to 500 only means what it says, the active
reactor temperature can be trusted up to this level. Near 1000 however, a
small error is multiplied into a huge error.
_
From: Randy Wuller
Jones
Jones:
With all due respect, I don’t think the text books would support any nuclear
change under the circumstances. What makes NI62 which is found in nature and
was in both the before and after sample disturbing?
As to the LI6, why is that product any more unlikely than the nuclear
I have listened as long as I can to this discussion of Bitcoin by a community
of those alleged technical people (ie scientists) on a email list devoted to
for the most part Cold Fusion/LENR. Bitcoin isn't valuable because it has a
limited supply, it is in essence worthless for that reason.
PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
The sooner you stop thinking like 19th century people the sooner we can
start living in the world of plenty.
You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he
Well the problem is your understanding is propaganda. It isn't true and it
isn't even supported by the facts.
The first issue is debt, in total it doesn't exist.
Second, the US isn't in debt, its wealth is higher than ever.
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On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Edmund Storms
Jed:
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. The Xprize foundation is very active.
Go to xprize.org
I was involved with Dr Peter Diamandis when he first came to St Louis to
propose a Lindbergh type prize to the St Louis Science Center. All the legal
documents for prizes have been hashed
iPhone
On Feb 13, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. The Xprize foundation is very
active. Go to xprize.org
Someone has to persuade this organization to offer a prize for cold
the XPrize level of
exposure brings to LENR?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Jed:
I know Diamandis pretty well and other members of his board.
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary. What is the chance any of the
players, Rossi, DGT
Gentlemen:
The best of the best in the US are as good as the best of the best in the rest
of the world. Only the best of the best drive technology in today's world,
most of the population are not needed to drive the economy and those needed are
shrinking everyday.
Also, you can't hide
I have watched this discussion this weekend and have purposely stayed out of
the fray since these issues seem to generate strong emotion from many.
However, I really think that one must drill down to the cause of the problem or
the solution will continue to evade us. And the cause has nothing
, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
And by the way just print it, don't tax for it. Inflation only occurs if
money chases a limited supply.
I agree, but the phrase printnit has come to mean when governments incur
debt by borrowing money from central
Craig:
Money is not Wealth! Exactly. But the goods and services produced depends
in large part on the amount and allocation of money in society. In our
current society money not only allocates goods and services it also effects
the level of production of those goods and services. You
Mark:
No (obvious) evidence and probably?
I enjoyed your blog posts.
Ransom
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On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Following my last post to my blog on Forbes
Your analysis requires fraud. There is no evidence of fraud, at best what you
have proposed is a remote possibility assuming the testers failed to closely
evaluate the wires.
Nothing close to something a reasonable person would conclude as the likely
event.
That's the problem with your
And arguing with an idiot like you doesn't advance anything. Just an
observation John.
Ransom
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On Jun 21, 2013, at 1:47 PM, John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
Nice attempt by Benne, Storms (I'm surprised that he piled on), and Roberson
to deflect the issue.
Your hunch amounts to overwhelming evidence? Rossi is public figure? You
think you can accuse someone of fraud and not be subject to possible suit?
As a practicing lawyer, your comments make me shudder!
Ransom
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Jouni Valkonen
Joshua:
You make that point all the time. It is one of your favorites, but it is
really unsupported speculation and not worth considering.
First, telling us how the majority of observers feel about the report is
clearly beyond your knowledge. As Eric suggested making those claims without
into question
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Joshua:
First, telling us how the majority of observers feel about the report is
clearly beyond your knowledge. As Eric suggested making those claims without
proof (poll, census, etc.) is not only
: [Vo]:Perfect response to Gugliemi
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Jed:
His two questions can easily be answered.
1) Since the science community currently believes a positive result to be
impossible (cold fusion is pseudoscience
Gentlemen:
This argument can't be won or lost because at this point fraud can't be proven.
There is no evidence of fraud even if that possibility has not been excluded
by the tests,
What seems clear is that the measure of output energy was reasonable in the two
tests. The input measure of
Joshua:
Don't you find the following scenario just a little disconcerting.
For 24 years the scientific community has been certain (to the point of
claiming that Cold Fusion was pseudoscience that the anomalous heat found by
P F was delusion. They now have tests clearly demonstrating the
Jed:
His two questions can easily be answered.
1) Since the science community currently believes a positive result to be
impossible (cold fusion is pseudoscience), such a result would change a
potential misperception by the scientific community. Which in point of fact is
a much more
Terry:
It is the fulfillment of a lot of effort by citizen groups who lobbied
Congress. I led some of them. We asked that they encourage NASA to withdraw
from the transportation industry and stimulate the private sector to take its
place.
Had the economy not crashed in 2008 and had Congress
The thermal scanning adjusts calculated temperature based on emissivity. You
can't adjust it twice, that is what Motil did. That is nonsense. It was also
tested (emissivity that is) and it wasn't similar to a metal. You were right
to ignore the output side. By even suggesting it Motil and
Jed:
There are really 2 issues regarding the emissivity. When the Thermal Scanner
takes a reading it is imaging from the object. In order to convert that image
to temperature one must know the emissivity. The scanner has a formula based
on the emissivity. You are absolutely right that by
Andrew:
Your point is not well taken. Proof is a continuum. In this case you must
posit fraud to counter proof. Fraud may or may not be actually possible in
this case but it can always be imagined.
The real question is whether the scientific community is required to ignore
these results
On May 8, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
What he can't explain is why anyone would run around the internet trying
to stop people from investigating a phenomenon.
I think cold fusion is a pipe
Cude would argue that there isn't a newly discovered (new is of course
relative) phenomenon and that everyone investigating it is deluded, incompetent
or both. What he can't explain is why anyone would run around the internet
trying to stop people from investigating a phenomenon. It makes no
Ed:
I really respect you and your work in Cold Fusion but I think the whole process
has soured you. I am sure I don't need to remind you and everyone else on the
vortex that 2100 is 87 years away. I also think it is self evident that we
likely have NO idea what the world will be like in 87
Ed:
The housing bubble didn't almost bring down the entire world economy. That is
pure sensationalism. As with any bubble, when it pops those holding the bag
usually suffer. In the case of 2008, the bag holders got the world governments
to spread the suffering.
Your comments sound like many
Call it social security, call it a citizen dividend, call it whatever you want,
if world productivity continues to increase (ie, more is available to
distribute) so will the give away to those living and not producing or not
producing much. Even if no one is working we will find a way to
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Randy wuller wrote:
Ed:
The housing bubble didn't almost bring down the entire world economy
. The
natural expectation is that we all can be replaced - or is that too pessimistic?
Ed
On Jan 29, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Randy wuller wrote:
Call it social security, call it a citizen dividend, call it whatever you
want, if world productivity continues to increase (ie, more is available
Ed and others:
The US net wealth after all debt is deducted is higher now than it has ever
been in US history. Print the money, default or make the citizens of the US
pay it off, it makes almost no difference. Debt is more or less an illusion.
Picking one or the other of the above choices
Jojo:
I don't understand your passionate position on this issue. Given some evidence
either way, the only logical position is one of caution. If there is a
possibility mankind can change the climate on this planet, it seems to me we
should take some care to avoid that alternative unless
governments telling you what to do to
promote their Environmental Worshipping agenda.
That is my stand on it, and it has nothing to do with being conservative or
not, it's just common sense.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Randy wuller
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent
agenda.
That is my stand on it, and it has nothing to do with being conservative
or not, it's just common sense.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Randy wuller
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:54 AM
Subject
Jojo:
The Wealth of the US is owned by a small portion of its citizens. It doesn't
seem out line that those who own it pay for it.
Instead it seems you would prefer that those who have little or no ownership in
the assets of this country pay the country's bills.
This is after all another
Mark Gibbs:
Mark, I agree with you. However, I am not a journalist. As a journalist, I
would expect you to have SOURCES I don't have. I would expect a journalist who
is obviously interested in the subject to know more than I know, But, I read
your articles and find that you provide me NO
scientific knowledge than I have on the topic and with all of your connections
can only, at best, come up with what are ifs and hopes and theories.
[m]
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Mark Gibbs:
Mark, I agree with you. However, I am
Actually, ultimately science is a very small part of this story if LENR
verifies.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2012, at 6:04 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
When the cold fusion research community finally comes up with devices meeting
your criteria, the world will be grateful
Jojo:
I really don't mind you voicing your opinions about evolution etc., the vortex
is for an exchange of ideas, but could we get back on track. This week and
next are important weeks for LENR and these other discussions can wait.
Ransom
- Original Message -
From: Jojo Jaro
Jed:
Krivit makes you more than stop and think. A decent person would not use the
death of another to further themselves. Krivit is not a decent person. Martin
Fleishmann deserves better. Personally, regardless of the nature of the
phenomena, I hope it is always termed Cold Fusion in honor
Peter;
The systematic careful detailed analysis you seek will likely happen in
overwhelming quantity and quality if Defkalion or Rossi publish independent 3rd
party tests and do definitive demonstrations. The idea that they could do the
above and don't leads to paralysis and very real and
Peter:
Do you have a timetable for your next Defkalion report?
Ransom
- Original Message -
From: Peter Gluck
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more?
Dear Akira,
The simplest thing is to ask them.
Chemical:
I wouldn't respond but your point grinds on me like chalk on a blackboard.
First, the incentives we as taxpayers give to these technologies through our
Government are only a waste if you believe we would be employing the efforts of
the citizens of this country at maximum utility
Deflation is a concept based on the money supply, as it chases goods and
services.
If the money supply is constant and the goods and services chased increase,
prices deflate. If the money supply is constant and the goods and services
decrease, prices inflate.
If you change the money supply
Seems to me, Peter Gluck may be the one to ask.
- Original Message -
From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)
On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote:
Peter:
As a lurker on the Vortex, I seldom comment, but I think your reports on
Defkalion are important and I am glad Defkalion is allowing you to lay the
ground work for their later reports.
The most important issue that remains unanswered is whether Defkalion is
producing commercial levels
Jones Beene:
This is a remarkably naive analysis. I really think you will only be slightly
right if the LENR technology improves very very little for a long time, say
decades. That also seems very unlikely.
Ransom
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 2, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Jones Beene
Craig:
The U.S. Government does not have the right to take your life or property at
will. You argument is ridiculous.
If you are a citizen of this country, you maintain that status by agreeing
to live by the law, which is established by the will of its citizens under
the constitution. You
You could have replaced the Hubble many time over for the cost of the Shuttle
and its operation.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 26, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Condemning the shuttle program is like condemning jet fighter aircraft
bombers now that we have
, May 26, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
You could have replaced the Hubble many time over for the cost of the Shuttle
and its operation.
That is true. See the book Hubble Wars. The cost of the Shuttle mission to
repair the Hubble was greater than
Open space to the people so they participate in reality not vicariosly through
others. Being personally involved is a great motivator. How to do it, lower
cost access to space. How do you achieve lower cost access? Building a private
commercial transportation industry. You do that with
And that comment is actually very misleading. Dick Smith didn't even bother
to try an negotiate anything with Defkalion. He backed away almost
instantly when they in principal accepted his offer. The idea he could test
without an NDA of some sort is ridiculous. Certainly Defkalion would
, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
And that comment is actually very misleading. Dick Smith didn't even
bother
to try an negotiate anything with Defkalion. He backed away almost
instantly when they in principal accepted his offer. The idea he could
test
without an NDA of some sort
Guys:
Nobody can win the Dick Smith Prize because he isn't offering it to anyone
doing LENR/Cold Fusion, now if you belong to some respected organization, he
says he'll give it to you for confirming Miley, assuming the rest of the world
agrees with you. In other words itvis a joke.
Ransom
The problem with Dick Smith's Prize is that it is being offered to the
independent tester. On its face it seeks to compromise the independence and
credibility of the tester. Nothing could be dumber. In addition the reason
to establish a prize is to stimulate investment in an attempt to break
Krivit actually reported it a long time ago. Go into his archives. I have
no idea what happened in the meantime or whether the report is credible.
The main guy, LeClair was even ranting about Rossi possibly irradiating
Miami unknowingly with his Ecat, that might have been in January or
Did Krivit ask if NI was working with any partner/customer/joint venturer of
Rossi/Leonardo Corp.
At this point if Rossi is legit he has to Partner with an entity with resources.
Frankly, it would be just like Krivit not ask that question or tell if he did.
Also, NI could be working under an
Honestly, when I first heard that the theory for the origin of heavy
elements in this universe was super nova's, my reaction was, that's got to
be at best a SWAG (silly wild ass guess). I can't imagine we have enough
evidence to confirm such a theory. Just a lawyer's gut reaction.
Ransom
Until today I had never heard of Lubos Motl, however, having followed LENR/Cold
Fusion since last January his attitude doesn't surprise me. Pardon the
generalization but it just seems that Physicists have the notion they are
experts on everything. Until this last year I had thought that
I must say, when I see the words simply NO way used to describe the
capabilities of a process we don't understand, my annoyance meter starts to
twitch. (Which is why I found it necessary to respond) I really wish these
kind of comments weren't so common in our society with regard to the
IAAL, does that stand for I am a lawyer, anyway, I am not a patent lawyer but
I do know that the patent application can protect your intellectual property if
written correctly. So I think the issue with Rossi is was his application
sufficiently clear to protect his intellectual property? And
-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
At 05:21 PM 2/3/2012, Randy Wuller wrote:
IAAL, does that stand for I am a lawyer, anyway, I am not a patent
lawyer but I do know that the patent application can protect your
intellectual property if written correctly. So I think the issue with
Rossi
Vortex:
By coincidence I will be in Chicago on the 11th and in the Spirit of the
year of Cold Fusion :) I thought I would go see the film. Anyone from the
Vortex planning to attend the event. Just Curious.
Ransom
http://www.137films.org/NewsDetailPage/Work-in-progress-screening.
The
Jed:
This post prompted a reply from Maryugo. Since MY is banned here and at the
Defkalion site and since I converse with MY (by email) occasionally, she sent
me her reply to Bill Beaty which I presume he received and did not elect to
post. She has requested that I post her reply and I
As someone who has watched Vortex since last February, I agree with your
assessment that many on Vortex have raised valid objections to many of Rossi's
demos and his business strategy. I would certainly not characterize the vortex
as a Rossi investor clubhouse, far from it. And of course
Hi All:
Maryyugo asked me to forward a response to Alan Fletcher's suggestion and since
it seemed to be a constructive comment, I agreed:
See below:
Ransom
Re: [Vo]:Re: Defkalion GT send video of internal testing
Alan Fletcher, wrote:
Hmmm ... very cylindrical. I think that my Concentric
I agree, this weekend's diversion regarding Maryyugo's secret identity is just
slightly less irratating then last weekends free for all. Why can't the Vortex
get back to real science.
Ransom
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2012, at 11:58 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
And of course since the initial news was leaked by Krivit, it is not
surprising it was inaccurate. Krivit is the master of the half truth,
including a part of the truth to purposely mislead. That is what he does,
that is at the heart of what he is, ie, the master of the half truth.
-
I was wondering how long it would take Maryyugo to wade in with nonsense like,
I wonder if NASA management; she, he or it just doesn't get it. NASA
management knows all about this, and this type of public info is not introduced
willy nilly. I know many of these so called management people.
I
David Roberson:
Go to the Home Depot website. They provide HVAC services including sales
through authorized dealers and installers. Obviously, they don't sell heat
pumps to customers off the shelf but do provide the kind of service Rossi might
be interested in.
Who would be the authorized
Maryyugo's explanation always sounds more rational because he, she conveniently
omits the part that Rossi has allowed independent tests (although not performed
to his liking) and these tests do show O/I, especially Lewan's 2nd test and the
one performed by E K. If you added the following to
I doubt the deadline has much to do with being used and more to do with trying
to force action out of Rossi. The UniBO will suffer the loss of funding if
Rossi doesn't carry out the contract. Under maryyugo's view of the world it
will be because Rossi has nothing real to provide the UniBO to
I don't think this debate needs to take place on the Vortex. It is maryyugo's
litany. Why no independent tests? Well maybe Rossi doesn't want them, at
least the kind that satisfy Maryyugo. It might be because he has nothing or
maybe because he is no fool.
You see if it were me I would not
Members of the Vortex:
I joined last night to address an issue raised by Maryyugo. Being a lawyer I
really have no special expertise in the sciences and thus have little to
offer on technical issue. Thus, not wanting to burden all of you I will
likely either stay a member and be quiet or exit
Lewan's 2nd test in april adequately measured the output energy to establish
O/I of over 3/1. Since steam quality and output measurements have been
questioned and used as a basis to argue that the various Rossi tests failed to
demonstrate O/I, it is unique.
While manipulation of input energy,
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