proven experiment that demonstrates the conversion between these two quantities.
Dave
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research…”
“Regards,
Marco”
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Those devices Marco refers to are nuclear magnetic resonance machines I
believe. I did my own research on them in 1961.
Bob Cook
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reflecting Planck’s constant, h.
( I am not sure I understand your comment regarding classical physics.)
Bob Cook
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum thermodynamics and the Second Law--
Of course, in classical physics linear momentum and angular momentum are
orthogonal to each other and can not be exchanged
20, 2017 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum thermodynamics and the Second Law--
This is interesting thinking. The idea that angular momentum, linear momentum,
and energy are "conserved" is a hypothesis created and supported (as I
understand it) by observation, not by derivation ba
This is interesting thinking. The idea that angular momentum, linear
momentum, and energy are "conserved" is a hypothesis created and supported
(as I understand it) by observation, not by derivation based upon a
fundamental principle. While it would be a violation of the hypothesis,
trading
The following link contains interesting views on the subject of this thread.
IMHO these are key LENR concepts. Trading nuclear potential energy for metal
lattice electron orbital (thermal) angular momentum is LENR.
http://www.quantamagazine.org/the-quantum-thermodynamics-revolution-20170502/
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:30:06 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
DC component. I agree with you that a diode should produce the same sort of
thermal AC voltage as a resistor, however it should also rectify it's own
voltage.
What you say is true, but there is an issue,
Steven A Lawrence wrote:-
Actually we're supposed to exercise a bit of restraint on this list and
not shoot too many holes in theories even if they look like easy
targets. At least, that's my understanding of the Vortex rules -- it's
supposed to be a safe place to air ideas which are not fully
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Nick Palmer wrote:
From John Berry's we can do what ever we want if we just get the old
rocks
out of our head message:-
Why people think their preconcieved notions of what is and isn't
possible trumps the evidence I'll never know Quite so. Tell Paul...
Paul
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Some would say that's passive aggressive Stephen A. Lawrence.
Just a little bit of an ad hominem? I guess some means you, eh?
Yes, I think you are passive aggressive. I think you have a negative
interpretation to my statements. I am very direct and address
Paul stop antagonizing people it's not fun any more.
Michel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Some would say that's passive aggressive
Michel Jullian wrote:
Paul stop antagonizing people it's not fun any more.
Michel, could you please stop the personal stuff. What gives you the right to
post a personal statement as above while I do not have the right? I will debate
anyone on this matter in private. You think you are
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Nick Palmer wrote:
From John Berry's we can do what ever we want if we just get the old
rocks
out of our head message:-
Why people think their preconcieved notions of what is and isn't
possible trumps the evidence I'll
Nick,
Nick Palmer wrote:
Paul, you seem to think that just because you have used a computer
modelling program (LT Spice) that it's predictions are necessarily
reality. If the initial assumptions and parameters that were modelled
and programmed in are in error it won't be of much use to
On 3/1/07, Nick Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course once
you have done this, then the world will also beat a path to your door but I
suspect that hell will freeze over first.
Well, Nick, the energy must come from somewhere.
An engineer dies. He arrives at the Pearly Gates, but they
From John Berry's we can do what ever we want if we just get the old rocks
out of our head message:-
Why people think their preconcieved notions of what is and isn't possible
trumps the evidence I'll never know Quite so. Tell Paul...
Paul Lowrance has come up with a theory that if he
Nick Palmer wrote:
From John Berry's we can do what ever we want if we just get the old
rocks
out of our head message:-
Why people think their preconcieved notions of what is and isn't
possible trumps the evidence I'll never know Quite so. Tell Paul...
Paul Lowrance has come up with a
Paul wrote:-
Nick, Answer this. If it is possible to capture energy from ambient
temperature then wouldn't you want to know how?
Obviously, but we already know how you propose to do it because you already
told us over and over. Nanometre scale arrays of LEDs and noisy
diode/resistors.
Nick Palmer wrote:
Paul wrote:-
Nick, Answer this. If it is possible to capture energy from ambient
temperature then wouldn't you want to know how?
I wish you luck in your endeavour.
Please don't leave now.
If I can demonstrate how you can store energy taken from ambient
Nick Palmer wrote:
From John Berry's we can do what ever we want if we just get the old
rocks
out of our head message:-
Why people think their preconcieved notions of what is and isn't
possible trumps the evidence I'll never know Quite so. Tell Paul...
Paul Lowrance has come up with a
Steven - I wasn't trying to insult you or Michel, however I was definitely
trying to insult Paul after his appallingly arrogant intelligent thinking
beings crack. Where is the late, great Chris Tinsley when you need him? He
could, and did, squash adolescent grandstanding like this in a couple
Hello Nick,
Nick Palmer wrote:
Firstly, I did not say that there is no THERMAL noise (obviously there
is from the Brownian motion) I said that there is no thermally induced
effective *voltage* noise when there is no current flowing.
If you want to learn about thermal noise then create a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would interpret your answers as, You are not working on Free Energy
technology. Then may I ask What's your purpose or goal at Vo?
What's yours? Just to be annoying?
Do you think the group should only be open to people trying to build
perpetual motion
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:49:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
In any case there's also thermal noise in the diode, as I believe I also
pointed out (though I didn't phrase it that way), and that is surely
where you should be hunting for
Nick Palmer wrote:
Steven - I wasn't trying to insult you or Michel, however I was
definitely trying to insult Paul after his appallingly arrogant
intelligent thinking beings crack. Where is the late, great Chris
Tinsley when you need him? He could, and did, squash adolescent
grandstanding
Paul, you seem to think that just because you have used a computer modelling
program (LT Spice) that it's predictions are necessarily reality. If the
initial assumptions and parameters that were modelled and programmed in are
in error it won't be of much use to help us in the area we are
Nick Palmer wrote:
Paul wrote:-
You should read about different types of noise --
http://www.aikenamps.com/ResistorNoise.htm
Well, I read this webpage. Maybe you misunderstand. When they say
The thermal noise of a resistor is equal to:
Vt = SQRT(4kTBR)
where:
Vt =
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nick Palmer wrote:
Paul wrote:-
You should read about different types of noise --
http://www.aikenamps.com/ResistorNoise.htm
Well, I read this webpage. Maybe you misunderstand. When they say
The thermal noise of a resistor is equal to:
Vt =
to electricity?
In both cases there is a cold source somewhere, not everything is at the
temperature of the hot source.
Michel
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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:14 PM
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Nick
Michel Jullian wrote:
I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as usual.
That's just your interpretation according to a POV of common social behavior.
That's a result of being programmed by society. What you refer to as rudeness I
refer to as bluntness with very
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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as
usual.
That's just your interpretation according
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michel Jullian wrote:
I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude
as usual.
That's just your interpretation according to a POV of common social
behavior. That's a result of being programmed by society. What you
refer to as rudeness I
Michel Jullian wrote:
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From: Paul
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as
usual.
That's just your interpretation
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
[snip]
And how much electrical noise energy is the cell converting back into
radiation, eh? If everything's at the same temperature you'll most
likely find the amount of radiation the cell is generating, as a result
of running backwards, is equal to the amount of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
[snip]
And how much electrical noise energy is the cell converting back into
radiation, eh? If everything's at the same temperature you'll most
likely find the amount of radiation the cell is generating, as a result
of running
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
You think that unlike other materials in the room, it radiates less than
it absorbs under those conditions. I'm saying I'm not so sure.
Experiment can't give the answer at this time, of course -- or, rather,
any real experiment using real solar cells will support
In response to Paul and Michel and Steven I will only repeat what I wrote.
Obviously you did not understand what I said. Read it again without your
knee-jerk prejudices. Besides, in order do work by extracting energy from
ambient heat with no heat sink, Paul's diodes would need to rectify a
Nick Palmer wrote:
In response to Paul and Michel and Steven I will only repeat what I
wrote. Obviously you did not understand what I said. Read it again
without your knee-jerk prejudices.
If you're including me in the knee-jerk crowd who didn't understand what
you wrote, I take issue with
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:49:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
In any case there's also thermal noise in the diode, as I believe I also
pointed out (though I didn't phrase it that way), and that is surely
where you should be hunting for the flaw in the design.
[snip]
Connect a noisy resistor across a red LED and it will emit red photons
I don't know if anyone mentioned this before but surely the noisy resistor
is only noisy when a current is flowing through it - which takes a voltage -
which needs energy input to sustain it - which will probably at least
.
Paul
Michel
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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Michel Jullian wrote:
---
Ok I remember you mentioned something of the sort now. So the hard bit is to
make
Nick Palmer wrote:
Connect a noisy resistor across a red LED and it will emit red photons
I don't know if anyone mentioned this before but surely the noisy
resistor is only noisy when a current is flowing through it - which
takes a voltage - which needs energy input to sustain it - which
Paul wrote:-
You should read about different types of noise --
http://www.aikenamps.com/ResistorNoise.htm
Well, I read this webpage. Maybe you misunderstand. When they say
The thermal noise of a resistor is equal to:
Vt = SQRT(4kTBR)
where:
Vt = the rms noise voltage
Terry Blanton wrote:
Gnorts Vorts!
While some things must remain on the QT, I was reading that TB
(Bearden, not me) claims that his MEG gets cool when it's pumping
power. Would any Vorts care to speculate how an OU device would take
heat from the environment?
Terry
Hi,
The how has
On 2/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you please quote where Bearden claims the MEG gets cool or perhaps a link to
the quote?
I think the exact statement was MEG created negative entropy in one of
the O(3) electrodynamics papers. I'll look for the citation.
Terry
to the
energy you must expend to separate them in the first place?
Michel
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Terry Blanton wrote:
Gnorts Vorts!
While some things
Please read the plea for help in this research at the bottom of this post.
Michel Jullian wrote:
Paul the how question may be premature, the last I remember you had
convincingly shown that total magnetic field energy increased when two magnets
got attracted to each other, in addition to
Jones Beene wrote:
OK the cooling results shown are intriguing but not conclusive
We should note that JNL merely measured the temperature drop in the wires. Note
that the wires are stationary, but the magnetic material is spinning. JNL did
not directly measure any temperature changes in the
of magnitude of the size, the form of energy it would
output? (heat, electricity?)
Michel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Please read the plea for help in this research
]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Please read the plea for help in this research at the bottom of this post.
Michel Jullian wrote:
Paul the how question may be premature, the last I remember you had
convincingly shown
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Actually I wouldn't use the term atmosphere to describe the energy source.
The output of such a device would be electricity. Lets say an appliance
was the goal.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
Michel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Actually I wouldn't use the term atmosphere to describe the energy source
: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics
Michel Jullian wrote:
---
Ok I remember you mentioned something of the sort now. So the hard bit is
to
make the material convert its thermal energy contents to electrical energy
obviously, the rest follows.
Known thermoelectric devices e.g
Gnorts Vorts!
While some things must remain on the QT, I was reading that TB
(Bearden, not me) claims that his MEG gets cool when it's pumping
power. Would any Vorts care to speculate how an OU device would take
heat from the environment?
Terry
Blast-from-the past (9 years ago): and shall we dare to revisit
everyone's (especially Jed's) favorite pseud-o-U Claimant: (Joe N, not
Jean L N)
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/NMac0709.htm
JLN sez: The purpose of this test is to check for changes in the
entropy of the (Newman) Machine
Side
On 2/25/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...or whatever (after all JNL's lab is on the premises of EDF) ...and
also that if not an antenna, then the temperature drop, small as it was,
was proof of negentropy - and very likely to have been related to ZPE
extraction.
Yes, this is where
On 2/25/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/25/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...or whatever (after all JNL's lab is on the premises of EDF) ...and
also that if not an antenna, then the temperature drop, small as it was,
was proof of negentropy - and very likely to have
On 2/25/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, this is where I was heading. If one can extract from Dirac's sea
of negative energy, you must provide the heat of evaporation. Could
the electron's magnet moment be just the sort of pump required?
My fingers are not completely
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