Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-17 Thread Michel Jullian
- codeposition (codep) = simultaneous deposition of Pd and D = palladium deuteride plating - cathode wire is the metal wire substrate on which codeposition is performed. For more information, see: http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/projects/tgp/Welcome.shtml and the documents it links to. Michel

RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-17 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Michel, Thanks for the link - I will check it out presently but just to be clear (I was sleep deprived in the previous post) I do realize the goal is fusion and was referring to a bootstrap step to get up to those velocities. I am assuming there are many such intermediate step theories

RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:30 AM 9/17/2009, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Thanks for the link - I will check it out presently but just to be clear (I was sleep deprived in the previous post) I do realize the goal is fusion and was referring to a bootstrap step to get up to those velocities. I am assuming there are

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-16 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/15 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: At 08:59 AM 9/15/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: Silver would be eaten away and would plate out onto the cathode, so ... About the silver, of course. Yes, the anode must be platinum, or plated platinum. I just found out that the Galileo Project

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-16 Thread Michel Jullian
Afterthought: independently of whether this is a typo, the fact that gold gives strongest results should make us lean towards gold or gold plated wire for the CFP (ColdFusionProject) cathode, don't you think Abd? 2009/9/16 Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com: Tentatively, gold cathode wire

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:43 AM 9/16/2009, you wrote: Afterthought: independently of whether this is a typo, the fact that gold gives strongest results should make us lean towards gold or gold plated wire for the CFP (ColdFusionProject) cathode, don't you think Abd? I'd like to see as much information as possible

RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
There may be reason to give Pd preferential consideration being a membrane to H2 and D2. The lattice structure of Pd may be contributing to the process in SPAWARS, and similar type vs those performed in a reactor which cooks the gas monatomic. Fran -Original Message- From: Abd

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-16 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/16 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: At 03:43 AM 9/16/2009, you wrote: Afterthought: independently of whether this is a typo, the fact that gold gives strongest results should make us lean towards gold or gold plated wire for the CFP (ColdFusionProject) cathode, don't you think

RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-16 Thread Frank
The codeposition I keep hearing reference to.. this is like SPAWARS plating the electrode with a Pd electrolyte simultaneous to the gas evolving? Are we just talking about electroplating two metals at once (I know the Pd is in solution for some SPAWAR experiments) or does the term codeposition in

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-15 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/14 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: At 06:38 AM 9/14/2009, you wrote: I'll wait for the detail of your ideas regarding the electronics, but it seems to me a few dollars worth of components would be sufficient for the computing and electrical equipment, which could boil down to

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:59 AM 9/15/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: Silver would be eaten away and would plate out onto the cathode, so this anode too would have to be Pt or Pt plated I guess. Which makes me wonder, Pd is close to Pt chemically, so why would it anodically dissolve in this particular electrolyte if Pt

RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-15 Thread Jones Beene
The big surprise, if one believes that a version of the Mills hydrino/deuterino is involved at a fundamental level in all of LENR, would be the appearance of EUV. Unfortunately this radiation spectrum is universally absorbed by every element in the periodic table, so you would need to somehow

RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-15 Thread Jones Beene
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RE: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, We can only hope to get honorable mention at best; I am not worried about reputation or remuneration other than savings due to free energy. I am resigned to let the mainstream take the ball and run with it, Without a big name to command respect ZPF will be forever shouted

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-14 Thread Michel Jullian
Hi Abd, I'll wait for the detail of your ideas regarding the electronics, but it seems to me a few dollars worth of components would be sufficient for the computing and electrical equipment, which could boil down to a tiny USB key with some relatively simple microcontroller and power electronics

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:38 AM 9/14/2009, you wrote: I'll wait for the detail of your ideas regarding the electronics, but it seems to me a few dollars worth of components would be sufficient for the computing and electrical equipment, which could boil down to a tiny USB key with some relatively simple

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-13 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/7, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: Computer interface, standard USB. We could even have the kit _powered _by the USB interface, I am pretty sure we don't need more than the 5 V at 500 mA = 2.5 W it can deliver for a small codep cell. The inexpensive USB CF kit would even

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:15 AM 9/13/2009, you wrote: 2009/9/7, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: Computer interface, standard USB. We could even have the kit _powered _by the USB interface, I am pretty sure we don't need more than the 5 V at 500 mA = 2.5 W it can deliver for a small codep cell. The

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: We'll get into more detail on coldfusionproj...@yahoogroups.com, Abd, that is an email address. You should be sending folks to: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/ Regards, Terry

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/10 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: At 09:56 AM 9/9/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: I also recall an old SPAWAR codeposition experiment claiming to produce tritium, which they mentioned in a recent review of their work. If that was not bogus, tritium being very easy to detect

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:25 AM 9/10/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: The tritium producing SPAWAR experiment I was talking about was discussed here in January: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg29943.html and in the ensuing discussion, where Horace was already writing (in msg 29965) However, it

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: And how we do it, I suggest, is through joining coldfusionproj...@yahoogroups.com . . . This does not appear to work. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Terry Blanton
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/ is the URL. Terry On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: And how we do it, I suggest, is through joining coldfusionproj...@yahoogroups.com . . . This does not appear to

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/ is the URL. I meant the sign up message bounces. Looking at it closely, that could be because it says grous instead of groups: coldfusionproject-subscr...@yahoogrous.com Hey, that's what the man said . . . - Jed

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Terry Blanton
You can join from the URL site. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/ is the URL. I meant the sign up message bounces. Looking at it closely, that could be because it says grous

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Blue box on the right says Join this group. Terry On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You can join from the URL site. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton wrote:

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:47 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: And how we do it, I suggest, is through joining coldfusionproj...@yahoogroups.com . . . This does not appear to work. No, it works. You are now subscribed, Jed. The problem is that to prevent spammers from joining and harvesting

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:39 PM 9/10/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/ is the URL. I meant the sign up message bounces. Looking at it closely, that could be because it says grous instead of groups: coldfusionproject-subscr...@yahoogrous.com

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-09 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/8 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: At 09:08 AM 9/8/2009, you wrote: Yes indeed, codeposition + looking for tracks in CR-39 are the keys to low cost (very low material cost, very low equipment cost), the question is, as I asked recently in another thread where I got no answer,

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:56 AM 9/9/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: I also recall an old SPAWAR codeposition experiment claiming to produce tritium, which they mentioned in a recent review of their work. If that was not bogus, tritium being very easy to detect unmistakably, what else is needed to prove CF is

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-08 Thread Michel Jullian
Yes indeed, codeposition + looking for tracks in CR-39 are the keys to low cost (very low material cost, very low equipment cost), the question is, as I asked recently in another thread where I got no answer, are the numerous pits observed in those CR-39 experiments the result of

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: But apparently the Kitamura work only found a small effect, unlike the much larger effect that Arata reported. Kitamura used only a small sample. That is to say, he took a large sample and divided it into 6 small samples, for reasons I explained here previously.

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:05 PM 9/7/2009, Harry Veeder wrote: I think one kit should focus on [anomalous] particle production rather than excess heat. See Richard Oriani research on Ludwik Kowalski's page: http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/368project.html I already linked to Kowalski's work on the

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:08 AM 9/8/2009, you wrote: Yes indeed, codeposition + looking for tracks in CR-39 are the keys to low cost (very low material cost, very low equipment cost), the question is, as I asked recently in another thread where I got no answer, are the numerous pits observed in those CR-39

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:06 AM 9/8/2009, you wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: But apparently the Kitamura work only found a small effect, unlike the much larger effect that Arata reported. Kitamura used only a small sample. That is to say, he took a large sample and divided it into 6 small samples, for

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:40 PM 9/7/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: My goal is that each test cell be cheap, very cheap, well under, say, the cost of a Galileo Project replication . . . I do not understand this goal. The cost of materials has never been a barrier to replicating cold

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-07 Thread Harry Veeder
I think one kit should focus on anmoulous particle production rather than excess heat. See Richard Oriani research on Ludwik Kowalski's page: http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/368project.html Harry - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com Date:

Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier

2009-09-07 Thread Harry Veeder
I mean anomalous particles. Anmoulous particles are even stranger! ;-) Harry - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca Date: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The cost of materials is not a barrier I think one kit should focus on anmoulous particle