Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was
also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Therefore he
is within the greates fraud of cold fusion or tells truth that world is
saved, because he knows with certainty whether E-Cat is for real or a hoax.
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/sun-free-photovoltaics-0728.html
What happens when the PV have same temparature of the thermal emmiters?
BTW, can be used with e-cat.
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was
also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources).
Indeed he was; and, Daniele has more insider knowledge than Krivit
since Daniele
Hamdi! Good to hear from you again!
Terry
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Hamdi Ucar u...@verisoft.com wrote:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/sun-free-photovoltaics-0728.html
What happens when the PV have same temparature of the thermal emmiters?
BTW, can be used with e-cat.
I didn't see any mention of the 2nd law of thermodynamics in the
article from MIT.. would've been nice
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hamdi! Good to hear from you again!
Terry
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Hamdi Ucar u...@verisoft.com wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2021174/Have-scientists-crashed-flying-saucer-seabed.html#ixzz1Torn51mJ
The wreck files: Have scientists found a crashed flying saucer on the seabed?
Unidentified object is sitting on the ocean floor between Sweden and Finland
By DANIEL BATES
Last
They were searching for champagne:
http://www.oceanexplorer.se/index.html
T
Thanks for bringing this bizarre off-the-wall article to our attention. ;-)
A few comments from the peanut gallery:
...
Now, however, his team do not have the money or
resources to examine the shape further.
Hopefully, someone with a little spare cash will come forth soon... No
venture, no
At 05:19 PM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I have not had a chance to read the Krivit newsletter yet, but I
agree with Fletcher's comments here. He wrote:
Last year Rossi and Focardi claimed an energy gain of 213 times.
This year, Rossi downgraded that to six.
But now he's claiming
At 03:42 AM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing),
Daniele was also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other
sources). Therefore he is within the greates fraud of cold fusion or
tells truth that world is saved, because he knows
At 08:14 PM 8/2/2011, Jones Beene wrote:
Mark,
Why measure steam quality at all? If there is one lesson we all should have
learned from the many painful gigabytes of wasted bandwidth on Vortex about
steam quality, it is that you simply cannot satisfy everyone this way. Too
many variables.
But
At 02:19 PM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I think there is good evidence for Rossi's claims. I hope that
Defkalion soon publishes good evidence for their claims, with more
rigorous professional reports than Rossi and Levi et al. have
produced so far. I do not think that any of the arguments
At 01:39 PM 8/1/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Andrea Selva
andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote:
Michele, if you look at this
page http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml scrolling
down just past 50% you can see a note and a picture of the
My dear friends,
Recently I have not contributed to the discussions here.
However my opinion is here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/impossible-intelligence-test-and.html
Sometimes the events are far too interesting.
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
At 11:04 AM 7/30/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen
mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.comjounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
That is very true, it requires lots of steam to rise boiling point
temperature by one degree of celsius.
How much is lots? If 2% of the
At 03:18 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote:
Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.comdecra...@gmail.com wrote:
What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple
newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many.
I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots or
At 11:39 AM 7/30/2011, Ron Kita wrote:
Greetings Vortex,
IF my memory is correct there was a hot water test on the Rossi Device.
Also, it appears the the results of the hot water test were. OK.
Well, that's, shall we say, optimistic. It's true, in a way. That is
Levi claims to have
Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out, as Rossi
did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed the entire
time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently about well
controlled processes. Why arbitrarily box oneself in like that?
At 10:01 AM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Something that has not been clarified here is that the flow rate is
rather slow; 120 ml/min. Before the water boils, when the liquid
overflows, It would take a long time to fill up the hose. There
would be a lot of water in there. Once it starts
At 08:49 AM 7/30/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.comdecra...@gmail.com wrote:
It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been
presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet.
No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out,
I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in power with
a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam poured. That means
a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some seconds. It probably blew
as strong as a vacuum cleaner.
At 10:01 AM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Something that has not been clarified here is that the flow rate is
rather slow; 120 ml/min. Before the water boils, when the liquid
overflows, It would take a long time to fill up the hose. There
would be a lot of water in there. Once it starts
2011/8/3 Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com:
Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out,
as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed
the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently
about well controlled
Greetings Vortex-L
I found Dr Glucks comment on the Rossi cell as well as his comments
on communism ...refreshing.
I think that there are many of us out there who are very patiently
awaiting October .. for the Truth.
My comment:
One does not try..
..One either does or does not Yoda.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
I do not think that any of the arguments against Rossi have merit,
especially not the ones that attempt to disprove the 18-hour flowing water
test.
What test? What exactly was done, what data was generated?
The data provided can be found
Considering Jouni's recent challenge:
...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does
not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity,
and if not I pay 40 euros for charity.
This strikes me as a civilized bet, one that could be formalized
between two reasonable individuals
I found a very interesting news on the Japanese newspaper.
http://translate.google.co.jp/translate?js=nprev=_thl=jaie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=jatl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.minpo.jp%2Fview.php%3FpageId%3D4107%26blockId%3D9873865%26newsMode%3Darticle
Dr. Kazue Tazaki supposes radioactive cesium was
Oh! So the 18 hour test did not involve phase change, no steam! This is
surely amusing since one can hardly falsify that so easily with people that
are used to the usual tiny LENR effects. HAHA!
This is certaily AMAZING! So, if this is a scam, well, it is a HUGE ONE.
Now, Rossi really did
From Jed:
What test? What exactly was done, what data was generated?
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Jed, I realize it is probably redundant of me to express the following
but could you point readers to the specific article(s) you believe
make your point.
2011/8/3 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
Considering Jouni's recent challenge:
...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does
not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity,
and if not I pay 40 euros for charity.
Perhaps Charles and Hope should
Thsnks Ron, and please call me Peter.
Peter
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Vortex-L
I found Dr Glucks comment on the Rossi cell as well as his comments
on communism ...refreshing.
I think that there are many of us out there who are very
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
has a lot of entries. It might help to be more specific as to which
installment is most relevant to the point you are making. Is it the
18-hour demonstration?
Yup. Let me put a link to it:
It does strike me as just a tad obsessive to meticulously focus on
Rossi's Chiwawa and Shetland Pony demonstrations, which were nothing
more than trade shows - and then treat them as if they were valid
scientific experiments. No wonder skeptics have found fault with them.
Certainly, we would all
Here are some boiler test forms, and information about them:
http://www.peci.org/ftguide/ftg/SystemModules/Boilers/Functional_Testing_for_Boilers.htm
This is worth reading. It will make you respect HVAC engineers. As I
said, there are many tests other than calorimetry, for things like
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
This data is similar to what you find on a boiler test form, filled in by
an
inspector.
Dear Jed! Following your link I read:
A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures.
How would you call
On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess
heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway.
Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind of fraud
has happened before. Come to think of
On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud.
Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous
amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering
details right before it does, and he is sure he can do it by
Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote:
A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures.
How would you call that? Don’t be upset, but I would call that: „an
unpublished report of data of an anonymous source on a private webpage“.
Don’t you agree?
Call it anything
At 11:46 AM 8/3/2011, Peter Gluck wrote:
My dear friends,
Recently I have not contributed to the discussions here.
However my opinion is here:
At 11:58 AM 8/3/2011, Charles Hope wrote:
At 11:58 AM 8/3/2011, you wrote:
Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months
out, as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being
addressed the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only
predict confidently
At 12:00 PM 8/3/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote:
I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in
power with a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam
poured. That means a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some
seconds. It probably blew as strong as a vacuum
Yeah, I saw that later and acknowledged that in the other thread about 18
hour test. Answer me there :)
I was thinking about a thick hose, anyway :)
At 01:34 PM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman, you are free to express your opinion, but it is just
speculation. There is absolutely nothing in your criticism that has
any factual content. Question is how much money you are willing to bet
for your opinion? I will challenge you for
I wrote:
Why are Rossi and Levi hiding the notebook-files?
The make and model of the flowmeter. I asked them several times and they
ignored me.
I thought that said WHAT are Rossi and Levi hiding . . . The answer is:
they are hiding the type of flowmeter.
As to WHY they are hiding it I am
At 01:47 PM 8/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htmhttp://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Who wrote that? Whose testimony is it?
This data is similar to what you find on a boiler test form, filled
in by an inspector.
The inspector signs the
Swedish man caught trying to split atoms at home
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/08/03/international/i08D22.DTL#ixzz1U05lkxzV
A Swedish man who was arrested after trying to split atoms in
his kitchen said Wednesday he was only doing it as a hobby.
Richard Handl told
Peter Ekstrom will join the October's party?
Greven Grevesson
August 2nd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Dear mr. Rossi
As many others I want October to approach faster as this is very
exciting! I have a small request for you, and I have seen the same
request before: could you please consider to invite Peter
2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
I've done a great deal of research on this topic.
Problem is that mere research is not enough, because you need to be
able to do your own conclusions from data and that includes reading
other people's mind from between the lines. This is very
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm**http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Who wrote that? Whose testimony is it?
I wrote it! Who do you think? I talked to the people there and I wrote it.
If you don't like my version
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:06:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2021174/Have-scientists-crashed-flying-saucer-seabed.html#ixzz1Torn51mJ
There is one obvious natural phenomenon that is circular - a volcanic crater -
also not unknown
At 02:10 PM 8/3/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
has a lot of entries. It might help to be more specific as to which
installment is most relevant to the point you are making. Is it the
18-hour demonstration?
In context, it would be. Much of that is
I wrote:
Oh please. Levi's by-line is in the NyTekNik article. Take it or leave it.
Cut the legalese.
I mean to say it is not his by-line; it is by Lewan, but it is ridiculous to
doubt it. Levi would have objected if he had been misquoted.
This legalistic speculation that the data in
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Boiler test reports are a set of variables found by long experience to
indicate the operating health of a boiler. There is no way to compare this
report with a boiler test.
Except that the data recorded in a boiler test is EXACTLY what you see
Interesting note in the article:
The shape was found at the bottom of the Gulf of Bothnia during a
search for a sunken wreck which contained several cases of champagne.
Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to get a few cases of
champagne.
On 11-08-03 06:12 PM,
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to get a few cases of
champagne.
They sought cognac also.
T
Let me summarize:
If your best argument against this data is the assertion that Lewan and I
are incapable of transcribing numbers correctly, or that Levi and the others
did not bother to check the published report in NyTekNik to be sure the
numbers are right, you have lost this debate.
Please
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
The shape was found at the bottom of the Gulf of Bothnia during a
search for a sunken wreck which contained several cases of champagne.
Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to get a few cases of
champagne.
Did you see they are selling some bottle
At 05:57 PM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
I've done a great deal of research on this topic.
Problem is that mere research is not enough, because you need to be
able to do your own conclusions from data and that includes reading
other
“Ps. However, I will condemn Mills crack pot theory as false, because
he is explaining cold fusion effect by dark matter. This is very
feeble argument, because there is no such thing as dark matter or at
least, we do not have any evidence that supports that hypothesis!
At 04:01 PM 8/3/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess
heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway.
Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind
At 04:12 PM 8/3/2011, vorl bek wrote:
On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud.
Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous
amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering
details right before it does,
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
I came to a conclusion of fraud, defined as wilful
deception, after seeing a lot of evidence for it, which I was always
explaining away, as did others.
If I thought there could be the slightest possibility that
From Abd:
This should be made clear: that kind of phenomenon doesn't
mean that the effect is not real. It means that the conditions
are poorly understood or not controllable.
...
But the unreliability is fatal to commercial application. Rossi
may have seen some truly
Thank you dear Abd! Please let me know news about Birtukan Simone, how is
she learning? Is she reading books?
That is the problem with my grandchildren who had been playing with the PC
from the age of 3 and prefer images and PC games to reading a good book.
Peter.
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:21
Thanks, Abd, for being so forthright with Jed about his inability to
integrate all the bad news about the Rossi debacle -- I'm interested
to see how the remaining publicly committed believers are attempting
to tough it out together, defiantly clinging to every tattered shred
of argument -- being
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