- Original Nachricht
Von: Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com, mhbar...@gmail.com, rmfor...@gmail.com,
rmfor...@comcast.net
Datum: 05.10.2011 02:05
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's semptember test with NASAinvestors
Leaks, plugups, sudden heat excursions, and
Dr. K said:
... although I'm not sure that we _all_ glow!
I agree... some are just the black-light of the flock!
:-)
And no, I don't think Dr.Mills has ever posted here, however, there is
someone who does that keeps close tabs on what Mills is doing...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Dr
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:30 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is a multimillions of dollars project if he can sell it.
Multibillions (10^9+).
T
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:59 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
And no, I don't think Dr.Mills has ever posted here, . . .
That would be beneath him.
T
My dear friends,
I used to tell: *I think, therefore I am, I make decisions. therefore*
*I live *Now I add to this *I take risks, therefore I live intensely.*
While many people predict that tomorrow it will be a triumph
and a Sweet Thursday for Andrea Rossi and the Rossi skeptics
will do-
Good heavens!
Susan, I can't believe you're talking seriously. How did you manage to leap
to the conclusion that Jed sed only one out of 52 kitties works properly?
Where does Jed specifically say that?
Talk about running away with a personal re-interpretation of someone else's
statements.
- Original Nachricht
Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 05.10.2011 13:58
Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's semptember test with NASAinvestors
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:30 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is a multimillions of
From Peter:
and make your own predictions if you dare or
it makes fun for you
A good dare, Peter! ;-)
I think it would be foolish of me to predict. I can only share a personal
opinion of my own, an opinion that in the end may turn out to be inaccurate.
IMO, because of the caliber of certain
Some thoughts about. I predict that E-Cat when stabilized, it will
produce 6-12 kW cyclically, where as average electric heating power is
800 watts, but it will also work cyclically. Therefore COP is 8-15. On
average perhaps around 12.
2011/10/5 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com:
»My impression
2011/10/5 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
I think that the thinking goes back to the Pl-D cold fusion reactions,
I apologize my silly mistake... Pd-D cold fusion...
–Jouni
2011/10/5 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:30 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is a multimillions of dollars project if he can sell it.
Multibillions (10^9+).
Multitrillions (10^12+).
–Jouni
What is that?
currency devaluation?
mic
2011/10/5 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
2011/10/5 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:30 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is a multimillions of dollars project if he can sell it.
Multibillions (10^9+).
No, just simple formula and economic truth: energy = money.
—Jouni
On Oct 5, 2011 4:48 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
wrote:
What is that?
currency devaluation?
mic
2011/10/5 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
2011/10/5 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
No, just simple formula and economic truth: energy = money.
Here are some economic truths from 1840:
ice = money
bananas = money
In the 1840s, in northern US states people would cut ice from Pons in the
wintertime, store it under sawdust, and
What will happen to my utility pension Jed?
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 6:14 am
Subject: [Vo]:Energy will be worth nothing in the future
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
No, just
Jed wrote: » bananas = money »
Indeed, bananas are money. But there one tiny little but that breaks this
formula, because if you multiply both sides with term free, you will get
formula:
Free bananas ≠ free money.
Therefore bananas = money is false, because of inflation it suffers, if
there are
fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
What will happen to my utility pension Jed?
I predict it will be in trouble in 20 years.
Fossil fuel companies and the electric power companies will enter into a
long period of decline, similar to what the US Post Office is going through
now. Except that the post
Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, this time I can't believe you're talking seriously.
Only one out of 52 properly working ?
I believe you are assuming that on September 5 Rossi had many other reactor
sitting around installed in the large shipping container outdoors, and he
might have
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
He should get a better plumber.
My heating where I live does not leak ;-)
It was their idea to do it this way.
Without doubt there are methods that avoid this problem (use glycol, avoid
boiling in the primary circuit)
It is not clear to me that this
I predict a conclusive success or catastrophic failure for Oct 6 test - Rossi
has had his fill of getting beat up over inconclusive results and predict he
will risk operating the fat cat closer to run-away during this extended test
to finally make the numbers overwhelming.
Fran
From: Peter
I predict another inconclusive test.
T
My Two Cents:
I really hate to go on the record with predictions, but why not just for fun?
FWIW, I really, really hope that I am wrong.
Predictions:
1) This test has the potential to be quite conclusive. It won't be.
2) It will take a LONG time for the e-Cat to come up to temperature.
Yeah, I predict: FUBAR f* up beyond all reason...
Rich Murray
Am 05.10.2011 17:02, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is incredible.
No, this is what happens with prototype machines in cutting-edge
technology. Something always goes wrong. See, for example, the U.S.
Vanguard Rocket flight tests:
I have two souls inside my chest:
I want to believe it, but I cannot believe it.
My intellectual mind says, no this will not work. They are all lying
like mad.
When I first heard about this I did not know much about this.
I have readed that Levi claimed there where energy bursts of 100 or 200
In the comment section to Thane Heins video
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=W_wleUlcMK0
Thane cites some video demonstrations of the biot savart law:
Here are a couple of great FREE WORK VIDEOS:
Magnetic Force between Parallel Wires
MIT Physics Demo -- Forces on a Current-Carrying Wire
In
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
2) It will take a LONG time for the e-Cat to come up to temperature.
As far as I know it never takes more than 10 or 20 minutes. No one has ever
reported that takes longer than this. The test will be at least 12 hours so
warm up time is
Hi Peter,
FWIW, it's been my experience that the universe seldom conforms to my
anticipated calendar of events.
She has a mind of her own. I do my best to remember that, particularly
when I begin to notice the fact that I seem to be anticipating yet
another major event coming down the pipeline.
yes, but what's going on since 1989 is more collective mutual
delusion, rather than deliberate lying, in most cases -- as one who
has twice failed radically at attempting day trading stocks, I notice
that Ponzi schemes in all their variety constitute much of what is
still presented as legitimate
I wrote:
It never occurred to me anyone would start the secondary loop after the
machine warms up, but I will tell them they better do it that way.
Better NOT do it that way. I just told them:
The secondary cooling loop should be started before the Rossi device is
turned on. You should
Am 05.10.2011 20:00, schrieb Jouni Valkonen:
Very good arguments you presented. Thanks for those. I hope that you are wrong!
I hope too, that I'm wrong.
My hopes however are very low. It is wishful thinking, nothing more.
I want a repeatable key experiment to prove LENR effects. If Rossi
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
When I first heard about this I did not know much about this.
I have readed that Levi claimed there where energy bursts of 100 or 200 kW
some months ago.
With my todays knowledge I know, this is impossible, because it is
impossible to measure
Hi,
On 5-10-2011 19:40, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
3) Secondary water flow will be properly measured and regularly
recorded, but input primary power measurements will still be
inconclusive. i would
At 10:40 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
As far as I know it never takes
more than 10 or 20 minutes. No one has ever reported that takes longer
than this. The test will be at least 12 hours so warm up time is
irrelevant. No form of stored chemical energy can power a device of this
size at that
Since the price of practically everything depends to a greter or
lesser degree on the cost of energy, the price of fresh fruit and vegetables
will drop. Economic policy will focus on deflation mangement instead
of inflation mangement.
Harry
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To:
At 10:59 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Better NOT do it that way. I just told them:
The secondary cooling loop should be started
before the Rossi device is turned on. You should
confirm that the inlet and outlet temperatures
are the same. In other words confirm that the
inlet and outlet
At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
Since the price of practically everything depends to a greter or
lesser degree on the cost of energy, the price of fresh fruit and
vegetables will drop. Economic policy will focus on deflation
mangement instead of inflation mangement.
Hmm, what does it mean for a 15 hour test? Does it mean 15 hours of fusion
or 14 hours of heating plus 1 of fusion?
Am 05.10.2011 20:21, schrieb Man on Bridges:
With a Copper resistivity/m of 0.0175 this requires a wire with a
thickness of 10.0 mm^2
or a diameter of 3.57 mm (= approx. AWG 7 ! ), which results in a wire
of 0.00175 ?.
Such wire is VDE approved for a maximum of 66.00 A and with single
phase
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
I take an old blacksmith's anvil. I warm it in a kiln over two day to
roughly orange-hot (it is going to hold this heat for a LONG time,
especially if well-insulated).
It will be orange hot after about 10 minutes. It will reach the
At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_v401.php#fakesbyvolume
For Lewan's Fat-Cat test (2kW excess)
Compressed Hydrogen/Air : 69 hrs
Diesel/Air : 459 hrs
Boron/Air : 1697 hrs
Hmmm ... I forgot to print the total fat-ecat volume in the document
...
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
What if they have coils inserted in the table wood board?
That is ridiculous. It would take a huge set of coils on both sides -- in
the table and in the eCat -- to induce 15 kW. Anyone looking at the device
would instantly see what it is. Observers
At 11:48 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_v401.php#fakesbyvolume
For Lewan's Fat-Cat test (2kW excess)
Compressed Hydrogen/Air : 69 hrs
Diesel/Air : 459 hrs
Boron/Air : 1697 hrs
Hmmm ... I forgot to print
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Looks like I goofed ... it's now listing 90 liters, so my volume and times
are 3* off : back to the source-code
Your calculations should take into account the fact that people will look
inside the thing and see that it is metal equipment, not a
Am 05.10.2011 20:51, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de
wrote:
What if they have coils inserted in the table wood board?
That is ridiculous. It would take a huge set of coils on both sides --
in the table and in the eCat -- to induce
At 11:55 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Alan J Fletcher
a...@well.com wrote:
Looks like I goofed ... it's now listing 90 liters, so my volume and
times are 3* off : back to the source-code
Your calculations should take into account the fact that people will look
inside the thing
Hi,
On 5-10-2011 21:02, Peter Heckert wrote:
They could hide the coil inside the table board and feed the power
through the legs or through a distant coil using resonance
transformation effects.
And you would think that their equipment or other electronic devices are
not affected by such
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
That was my report on Lewan's September trial -- when he didn't see
inside. 90L total is correct, which will come down when it's stripped.
Ah, I see what you mean. Stripped in this case means opened up and
revealed down to the largest single component
Am 05.10.2011 21:08, schrieb Man on Bridges:
Hi,
On 5-10-2011 21:02, Peter Heckert wrote:
They could hide the coil inside the table board and feed the power
through the legs or through a distant coil using resonance
transformation effects.
And you would think that their equipment or other
At 12:29 PM 10/5/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
The observers should take a thermal imaging camera. That would
quickly reveal any sign of preheating.
Harry
And any exhaust from combustion or a heat-pump.
Both way down in the probabilities, but worth doing.
Also, Lewan / April :
To safely exclude
Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Current flowing through a conductor creates an electromagnetic field. Yes,
you can exploit this electromagnetic field. But, it is not free.
Think of it like a car alternator. You always have your engine driving a
belt, driving the
I should have said:
While the eCat is warming up, nearly all of the heat that goes in
comes right out. Nothing is stored. The heat is balanced. There is no
SIGNIFICANT endothermic phase, so there is not MUCH storage.
What storage there is, you can measure with confidence. A calorimeter
Again, FWIW, I hope to God this is a conclusive test.
As this argument is already raising eyebrows, let me go back to the original
predictions that are raising a fuss:
4) Power gains will be relatively small and will be reliant on calculations
using a no input value during the
Ok, I make a precise prediction:
I make a bet with two persons:
With person 1 I bet that the e-cat will work.
With person 2 I bet that the e-cat will not work.
When we have the results, both persons will say, they have won and will
want their money..
hehe
Dear List,
Just for fun while waiting for the verdict.
This is a classical example of how improvised experimenters can make disasters:
http://goo.gl/1hyDS
(http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1994-25.html)
mic
I think someone in Ireland imported some experience from Italy... but the
laughs are, like, sarcastic rather than of happiness...
http://pesn.com/2011/10/05/9501927_Steorn_CEO_Posts_Overunity_Heater_Video/
You have to admire the tenacity of Steorn: if one thing fails,
they try another.
Is hot water the new big business? ;-)
In Italian reinventing the wheel is said as reinventare l'acqua
calda i.e. reinventing hot water...
mic
2011/10/5 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
http://pesn.com/2011/10/05/9501927_Steorn_CEO_Posts_Overunity_Heater_Video/
Yeah, sure. And that shows up 1 day before Rossi's tst.
2011/10/5 Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com
They've been researching a heater for quite some time. It's not a hey,
let's come up with something in a day type of deal.
They were at it back in 2010.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:05 AM, vorl bek
Well, it's not my fault you guys haven't been paying attention on the
twitterverse.
They got up to a 3kW back in march. The commercial product was supposed to
be 12kW or 15kW. Then there was a load of silence about it.
Yes, it does seem they're accidentally hitting 5th oct when rossi does 6th.
These videos have been on Facebook for a while. PESN just posted the article
today.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, it's not my fault you guys haven't been paying attention on the
twitterverse.
They got up to a 3kW back in march. The commercial
On 11-10-05 03:55 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
When the wires have nothing holding them together or apart there is no
opposition. In any case you do not answer my question which I will rephrase: if
the electricity is used to power a motor, and the same electricity is used to
compress or stretch
Regarding the October 6 test of the Russi device:
I do not expect this will be the perfect test. I do not expect it the
be-all, end-all test that answers all questions and convinces everyone. I
doubt that is possible for this kind of machine. Other kinds of machines can
be demonstrated
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
You're absolutely right that residual heat would only result in tempearture
loss and not temperature gain (which briefly appeared in the last demo).
It was not brief. The temperature rose from 22:35 to 22:42, 7 minutes.
That's much too long
It was not brief. The temperature rose from 22:35 to 22:42, 7 minutes. That's
much too long for something like a momentary instrument fluctuation.
From Lewan report i see a rise of 0.7C from 22:35 to 22:40.
And i see temperature spikes up to 40 degrees when “the probe being pulled out
of the
At 02:57 PM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Regarding the October 6 test of the Russi device:
The controversy will not end tomorrow. Not in this discussion group
and certainly not in the mass media. Irrational skeptics will not be
convinced. I mean people such as Rich Murray, Robert Park, and
Hello,
To stay informed follow 22passi (Daniele Passerini thank you) on Twitter.
Presence of UoB and UoU seems confirmed.
@22passi
Daniele Passerini
Confermata la presenza delle Università di Bologna e Uppsala domani al test.
mic
At 12:08 PM 10/1/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
From: BUSHNELL
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:55:10 -0500
To: Steven Krivit
Subject: Request
Put in your Blog.
My well done remark referred to the accuracy of your reporting of
my quotes from the GRC meeting. Period. Was not referring to the
veracity
Robert and others, unless you intend to email me directly, please make sure the
vortex address appears in the 'TO' box before you click send. When you choose
to reply to my posts, it seems as if some code that was embedded by yahoo mail
tells your mail software to reply to me instead of vortex.
On 2011-10-06 01:11, Michele Comitini wrote:
Hello,
To stay informed follow 22passi (Daniele Passerini thank you) on Twitter.
Twitter page here:
http://twitter.com/#!/22passi
Cheers,
S.A.
Steve Jobs passes:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/us/obit-steve-jobs/index.html?iref=BN1hpt=hp_t1
Ah... I seem to have an overpowering urge to ramble on for a bit. Please
feel free skip the following soliloquy if one is easily bored by matters
pertaining to the care and feeding of our inner psyches. I've noticed that
on more than one occasion commentary attributed to Mr. Murray seems to bring
From Terry
Steve Jobs passes:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/us/obit-steve-jobs/index.html?iref=BN1hpt=hp_
t1
Read about it on my iPad.
Wonder what the essence of Jobs will do next.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
I think he ought to run it for a few hours and then put it in self-sustain
mode, which I assume means no power to the internal resistance heater(s), and
then let’s HOPE that it becomes unstable and goes critical!
I say, let it melt-down…
With no input power, and coolant flowing, there is
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 5:25:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Free Work
On 11-10-05 03:55 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
When the wires have nothing holding them together or apart there is no
opposition. In any case you do not
I enjoy your truth-full spunk -- my wife and I have read some Eckhart
Tolle every day for years -- I let A Course In Miracles work on me
daily since August, 1977 -- yes, no evidence possible in any dream,
while awareness-being is not dream or even source of dream -- peaceful
dreams conveniently
From: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
To: hlvee...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:35:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Free Work
/snip/
When the wires have nothing holding them together or apart there is no
opposition. In any case you do not answer my question which I will
Does it mean the universities or just a couple of professors that go in
theirr spare time ? Doesn't it sound like the announcement that the test
have would be in a lab of unviversity of Bologna ?
2011/10/6 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-10-06 01:11, Michele Comitini wrote:
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