Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
Andrea Rossi September 6th, 2013 at 3:11 PM Giuliano Bettini: We must make a distinction. We are working on all our lines of products, to test and validate them with a rigorous work. The long term third indipendent party validation is related to a battery of Hot Cats. Warm Regards, AR
Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
It's just more schroedinger e-cat news. Until it happens, observation of the event occurs, and the probability wave form collapses into reality - it can go either way. The eCat may live or the eCat may die. Truthfully, I think Andrea has so far been batting around 10%, so I give it that as the probability that this will actually occur. Or if it does, it will be probably leave many questions open. I think this 'test' is also an excuse as to why he's not doing the other long term test that they talked about with the swedish scientists. Whatever happened to that? On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:32 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Apart from the planned six month test by the scientists that tested the E-Cat for Elforsk May 2013, it seems there will be another six month test in the US. 1. Andrea Rossi September 4th, 2013 at 6:30 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=816cpage=8#comment-788897 Frank Acland: As we said, a 6 months long validation test had to be made, and I repeated that validation of the E-Cat is in course. As always, I will not give any specific information regarding the validation test in course, with exception of the fact that this test will last more than 6 months. The results will be published after the test will have been completed, whatever the results, positive or negative. I do not know where the publication will be made, because it does not depend on me. Also this long run test is being performed by an indipendent commettee, financed by institutions totally indipendent from us. Obviously the location in which the test is in course will be disclosed in the publication that will be made. I can only say that it is in the USA factory of a Customer. The E-Cats under test have been manufactured completely in the USA, in the factory of the US Manufacturer, indipendently from me: therefore also the manufacturing has been made by an indipendent- from- me party. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
Also, how come Rossi isn't buying pizza? http://cold-fusion.ca/rossi-pledges-free-pizza-and-beer-306000 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:42 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: It's just more schroedinger e-cat news. Until it happens, observation of the event occurs, and the probability wave form collapses into reality - it can go either way. The eCat may live or the eCat may die. Truthfully, I think Andrea has so far been batting around 10%, so I give it that as the probability that this will actually occur. Or if it does, it will be probably leave many questions open. I think this 'test' is also an excuse as to why he's not doing the other long term test that they talked about with the swedish scientists. Whatever happened to that? On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:32 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Apart from the planned six month test by the scientists that tested the E-Cat for Elforsk May 2013, it seems there will be another six month test in the US. 1. Andrea Rossi September 4th, 2013 at 6:30 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=816cpage=8#comment-788897 Frank Acland: As we said, a 6 months long validation test had to be made, and I repeated that validation of the E-Cat is in course. As always, I will not give any specific information regarding the validation test in course, with exception of the fact that this test will last more than 6 months. The results will be published after the test will have been completed, whatever the results, positive or negative. I do not know where the publication will be made, because it does not depend on me. Also this long run test is being performed by an indipendent commettee, financed by institutions totally indipendent from us. Obviously the location in which the test is in course will be disclosed in the publication that will be made. I can only say that it is in the USA factory of a Customer. The E-Cats under test have been manufactured completely in the USA, in the factory of the US Manufacturer, indipendently from me: therefore also the manufacturing has been made by an indipendent- from- me party. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Truthfully, I think Andrea has so far been batting around 10%, so I give it that as the probability that this will actually occur. I disagree. As far as I know, every major claim he has made has turned out to be true. He said there was an independent test, and there was, conducted by Elforsk. Years ago he said there were independents tests in the U.S. and a gadget running a factor in Italy for months. Many people who have no connection to Rossi confirmed those claims, including some people who do not get along with him. Rossi is a flamboyant person who says things that do not seem to make sense. In some cases he says things about his business that are exaggerated. He has said things about me and others that were flat-out wrong. He sometimes gets emotional. He was very upset then the people at NASA discovered his reactor was plugged up and not working. However, I have never -- repeat *never* -- caught him making an experimental claim that I now know for a fact was wrong, or a lie. He makes mistakes, of course. Everyone does, especially people doing cutting edge research into unknown phenomena. That is unavoidable. I am sure Rossi would agree. Someone said to Stan Pons: You were half wrong about your claims. There were no neutrons. He said something like: In our line of work when you are half right, you're doing great. At this point I would say only a fool would bet against Rossi. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
At this point I would say only a fool would bet against Rossi. Yeah, you talk the talk, but ... Kinda like Rossi, I guess. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Truthfully, I think Andrea has so far been batting around 10%, so I give it that as the probability that this will actually occur. I disagree. As far as I know, every major claim he has made has turned out to be true. He said there was an independent test, and there was, conducted by Elforsk. Years ago he said there were independents tests in the U.S. and a gadget running a factor in Italy for months. Many people who have no connection to Rossi confirmed those claims, including some people who do not get along with him. Rossi is a flamboyant person who says things that do not seem to make sense. In some cases he says things about his business that are exaggerated. He has said things about me and others that were flat-out wrong. He sometimes gets emotional. He was very upset then the people at NASA discovered his reactor was plugged up and not working. However, I have never -- repeat *never* -- caught him making an experimental claim that I now know for a fact was wrong, or a lie. He makes mistakes, of course. Everyone does, especially people doing cutting edge research into unknown phenomena. That is unavoidable. I am sure Rossi would agree. Someone said to Stan Pons: You were half wrong about your claims. There were no neutrons. He said something like: In our line of work when you are half right, you're doing great. At this point I would say only a fool would bet against Rossi. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
If you are back on the betting nonsense you should cram it. Hmmm, I think you started that particular conversation... On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: At this point I would say only a fool would bet against Rossi. Yeah, you talk the talk, but ... Kinda like Rossi, I guess. If you are back on the betting nonsense you should cram it. No one has bet more on the outcome of cold fusion than I have. I have bet most of my working life, and well over $100,000. Get back to me after you paid for several experiments and spent months processing data and doing calorimetry, and years editing papers -- as I have done. Also -- First, I am not a bit like Rossi. I can't think of anyone I less resemble. Second, Rossi does talk a lot, but it is absurd to claim that he is all talk and no action. He has made more progress toward a practical device than all other researchers combined. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: At this point I would say only a fool would bet against Rossi. Yeah, you talk the talk, but ... Kinda like Rossi, I guess. If you are back on the betting nonsense you should cram it. No one has bet more on the outcome of cold fusion than I have. I have bet most of my working life, and well over $100,000. Get back to me after you paid for several experiments and spent months processing data and doing calorimetry, and years editing papers -- as I have done. Also -- First, I am not a bit like Rossi. I can't think of anyone I less resemble. Second, Rossi does talk a lot, but it is absurd to claim that he is all talk and no action. He has made more progress toward a practical device than all other researchers combined. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Another six month test of an E-Cat
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: If you are back on the betting nonsense you should cram it. Hmmm, I think you started that particular conversation... I said only a fool would bet . . . That is a figure of speech; I did not mean it literally. I assume you are a native speaker of English, so I assume you know that, and you are being obnoxious. - Jed
