RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

. That frustum is rather like a beach with big waves where the rip tide is a powerful vector. I think Occam would approve. From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons BTW – Ron

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

BTW – Ron Clark reminds me of the theory of inertia and Unruh radiation which appeared a few months ago, and fits into a broader possibility. Actually there are two varieties as well as the “flyby anomaly”. Either of them opens up the scenario where several tiny asymmetrical forces and effects

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

ether is Boscovichian particles known a long time; as part of ignored/forgotten history when attention of physics community diverted onto Einstein will be in my talk based on abstract http://www.noeticadvancedstudies.us/AndertonX.pdf Boscovich theory 1758 Vigier conferenceVigier 9 |   | |   |  

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

From: Bob Higgins * According to Don Hotson… the ether is composed of epos (shrunken, neutral, electron-positron orbital pairs) that can be polarized. This provides the displaceable element needed in Maxwell's equations… This could be interpreted as consistent with the proposition that

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

The momentum of Higgin’s electron/positron pair would be large by comparison! From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:13 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons The momentum of an emitted photon is very

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The momentum of an emitted photon is very small Momentum = energy / c Frank Znidarsic

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

That’s a cool concept From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:15 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons I previously observed the coincidental similarity between the difference in photonic thrust

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I previously observed the coincidental similarity between the difference in photonic thrust and Shawyer thrust and the Q of the cavity - let me propose how a connection might exist. According to Don Hotson (deceased), the ether is composed of epos (shrunken, neutral, electron-positron orbital

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

From: Eric Walker Bob Higgins wrote: But, photonic leakage still doesn't explain the measured Shawyer EM drive thrust. If this is true, then I like the anisotropic neutrino explanation that has been floated here sometime back. Presumably the neutrinos would come from electron capture (or

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

Subject: Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons As I mentioned in my previous post, if you want to see how the photons can leak out, just have a look at the Fabry-Perot etalon. At resonance it is a high Q filter, even though the boundaries are highly reflecting. But, photonic leakage still

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: But, photonic leakage still doesn't explain the measured Shawyer EM drive > thrust. > If this is true, then I like the anisotropic neutrino explanation that has been floated here sometime back. Presumably the

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

From: Bob Higgins As I mentioned in my previous post, if you want to see how the photons can leak out, just have a look at the Fabry-Perot etalon. At resonance it is a high Q filter, even though the boundaries are highly reflecting…. But, photonic leakage still doesn't explain the measured

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No Jones, I was proposing that IF photons for make their way through a barrier due to a cancelled waveform, then maybe protons as per your typo, or other particles could also do so if their quantum wave functions cancelled, and just MAYBE this is related to quantum tunneling. And even then I'm

RE: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

From: John Berry Well, particles (electrons, protons, atoms, bucky balls, ignored cats) fired at a screen still produce an interference... So maybe protons could tunnel through a barrier if there is a wave from another proton that interferes? John, Are you suggesting that the cone be filled

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

As I mentioned in my previous post, if you want to see how the photons can leak out, just have a look at the Fabry-Perot etalon. At resonance it is a high Q filter, even though the boundaries are highly reflecting. But, photonic leakage still doesn't explain the measured Shawyer EM drive thrust.

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

Well, particles (electrons, protons, atoms, bucky balls, ignored cats) fired at a screen still produce an interference... So maybe protons could tunnel through a barrier if there is a wave from another proton that interferes? Could this be how tunneling works? On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:01 AM,

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Oops… obviously, that should read “photon” instead of “proton”: If photons [not protons] can become paired and out-of-phase due to some kind of cavity resonance effect, such that one result of the pairing is that they can escape metal confinement, then almost every citizen is at risk from

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From: Russ George OK Dr. Photon just how do we like this news on the EM Drive and the paired out of phase photons? http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2016/06/new-paper-claims-that-em-drive-doesnt.html#.V2LfsvkrKVM

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This reminds me of a question I have had. Imaging we have 2 lasers putting out 2 coherent light beams along the same path, one frequency is very slightly higher than the other. Constrictive/destructive interference between the 2 beams mean that along the path at time they double in strength, but

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In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:44:29 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The author says: > >"photons must become paired up in order to discharge the fuel >cavity, so that the two photons in those pairs are essentially out >of phase, which means they entirely cancel

Re: [Vo]:EM Drive powered by entangled photons

The idea that it's leaking fits well with the observation that the thrust involved is "incredibly small". When you're chasing effects at the margin of what you can detect, totally marginal errors can totally mess up the results. On 06/16/2016 01:36 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: I don't quite

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The author says: "photons must become paired up in order to discharge the fuel cavity, so that the two photons in those pairs are essentially out of phase, which means they entirely cancel each other out and have no net electromagnetic field" If it shoots out a pair of /out of

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I don't quite understand why people think photons don't leak out of the Shawyer apparatus. If you look at a Fabry-Perot resonator - two parallel mirrors (an etalon). The reflectivity for each of the mirrors can be 99.999%, and the etalon Q will be quite high, but at the resonance, light will